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Shikha Pal 12-20-2009 06:34 AM

Princess Astrid, Prince Lorenz and Family - general questions
 
I have a question, is this the villa in which Princess Astrid and Her family lives in ? : http://i267.photobucket.com/albums/i...ad/1617394.jpg

LadyLeana 12-20-2009 12:21 PM

Princess Astrid and family - general questions
 
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Originally Posted by Shikha Pal (Post 1032535)
I have a question, is this the villa in which Princess Astrid and Her family lives in ? : http://i267.photobucket.com/albums/ii294/soprtsmad/1617394.jpg

I think it is, yes. :flowers:

princessshacha 12-20-2009 05:04 PM

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Originally Posted by LadyLeana (Post 1032642)
I think it is, yes. :flowers:

But wich palace or house will Prince Amedeo live when he get merried??:ermm:

LadyLeana 12-21-2009 03:37 AM

:previous: Prince Amedeo will probably have to find a house for himself.

The palaces and houses in the Royal Trust are for use of the entire royal family, but first and foremost the King and his children. The royal family or Belgian government cannot provide houses for each of the twelve grandchildren of the King, that would be a bit much.

Shikha Pal 12-21-2009 08:18 AM

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Originally Posted by LadyLeana (Post 1032642)
I think it is, yes. :flowers:

How long ago did they build that villa??

LadyLeana 12-21-2009 12:40 PM

I'm not sure, but I think it was built shortly after Albert became King. Before that, Princess Astrid and her family lived in Switzerland, and when they returned at first they lived at Stuyvenberg. So I think it is no older than 15 years.

claypoint2 12-22-2009 08:19 PM

:previous:

I am not surprised. The house has a very "new" feel about it - perhaps something to do with the materials chosen for the exterior.

princessshacha 12-23-2009 06:31 PM

i just need to ask something... The king and queen of belgium has 12 grandchildren... Princess Elisabeth will one day become queen. And her future children will be titled: prince or princess of belgium. But like if ex: Maria-Laura or Louise have children , will they be prince or princess of belgium?. Like Amedeo and Joachim they are also archduke... So if they get children , will they be prince/ess of belgium???

MAfan 12-23-2009 06:50 PM

This is a very good question...I've just checked in the Belgian Constitution, but it doesn't say anything regarding it.
Surely the children of Maria Laura and Louise Marie won't be Archdukes.

claypoint2 12-24-2009 12:13 AM

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Originally Posted by MAfan (Post 1033804)
Surely the children of Maria Laura and Louise Marie won't be Archdukes.

Unless, of course, they marry a distant cousin who is also a member of the House of Habsburg. These things used to be much more common, but you never know.... :biggrin:

MAfan 12-24-2009 04:04 AM

Oh, yes, of course...and it would be nice... :smile:

Shikha Pal 12-24-2009 04:11 AM

Will the future grandchildren of Princess Astrid have any titles??

LadyLeana 12-24-2009 04:22 AM

The children of her sons (if their marriage is accepted by the Head of the Habsburg house, I think it has to be) will receive the Habsburg titles of course: Archduke/duchess of Austria-Este, and the son of Amedeo will carry on the title of Duke of Modena.
As for their daughters' children, I think that depends on the man they marry.

I don't know if the title "Prince(ss) of Belgium" is restricted to children and grandchildren of the reigning monarch or the crown prince. In any case, the title only emphasises that they are in line for the throne, it doesn't entitle them to any special priviliges.

MAfan 12-24-2009 04:28 AM

The children of Amedeo and Joachim will (probably, if their marriage won't be morganatic) be Archdukes of Austria-Este, Royal Princes of Hungary and Bohemia; the eldest son of Amedeo will be also the titular Duke of Modena and Reggio, after Amedeo.

Shikha Pal 12-24-2009 04:39 AM

One more question. are Princess Astrid"s children allowed to marry commoners??

Stefan 12-24-2009 05:01 AM

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Originally Posted by LadyLeana (Post 1033864)

I don't know if the title "Prince(ss) of Belgium" is restricted to children and grandchildren of the reigning monarch or the crown prince. In any case, the title only emphasises that they are in line for the throne, it doesn't entitle them to any special priviliges.

No the Title Prince/Princess of Belgium is not limited. Since the change of the succession law it goes to all descendants of king Albert II. in both male and female line. But i think they have to do soemting about thius because otherwise Belgium will be flooted with Princes and Princesses in about 20 years. I think the best time for a change would be when the first grandchildren marry.

dazzling 12-24-2009 05:05 AM

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Originally Posted by Stefan (Post 1033881)
No the Title Prince/Princess of Belgium is not limited. Since the change of the succession law it goes to all descendants of king Albert II. in both male and female line. But i think they have to do soemting about thius because otherwise Belgium will be flooted with Princes and Princesses in about 20 years. I think the best time for a change would be when the first grandchildren marry.

Why do they have to do something about it? I dont see a problem if they all carry the title since they have the right to.

MAfan 12-24-2009 05:08 AM

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One more question. are Princess Astrid"s children allowed to marry commoners??
Well:

- As Princes of Belgium, they only need the permission of the King to marry and remain in the LoS, so they can marry commoners; btw, technically, in the last two belgian royal weddings, both the Princes Philippe and Laurent married two Princesses of Belgium, since both Mathilde and Claire have been created Princess of Belgium by the King the day before each wedding;
- As Archdukes of Austria, they need the permission of the Head of the Family (Archduke Karl); it is better if they marry at least noblemen/noblewomen, but in the last years the marriages of some Archdukes to commoners (AD Maximilian, AD Konrad, AD Philipp) have been allowed by the Head and therefore equal.

So, in both cases I think they can marry commoners without problems (but if they marry aristocrats is better...:whistling:)

MAfan 12-24-2009 05:17 AM

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No the Title Prince/Princess of Belgium is not limited. Since the change of the succession law it goes to all descendants of king Albert II. in both male and female line. But i think they have to do soemting about thius because otherwise Belgium will be flooted with Princes and Princesses in about 20 years. I think the best time for a change would be when the first grandchildren marry.
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Why do they have to do something about it? I dont see a problem if they all carry the title since they have the right to.
Usually the problem is linked to the allowances paid by the State to the Princes; but since in Belgium this will no longer be a problem, since only the children of the King and the Duke of Brabant will receive an allowance, there is no reason to limit the transmission of the title.

Stefan 12-24-2009 05:20 AM

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Originally Posted by dazzling (Post 1033882)
Why do they have to do something about it? I dont see a problem if they all carry the title since they have the right to.


I think not that the present Princes and Princesses lose their Titles. But that their children don't vecome Princes and Pricnesses. The children of Pricness Astrid have their own Titles and for ther other the King could create an countly title or something like that. At the moment the King and Queen have 12 granchildren. If they all marry and have again 3-4 children wo will be Prince/Princess that are a lot.


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