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Grace Angel 03-11-2009 04:12 PM

Reburial of the remains of Alexei and Maria
 
I think they should have a funeral. It would be the most respectful and best thing to do. It's taken a long time to arrive at this point, 90 years after it happened, although it's been clear to sensible minds for many years there were never any survivors of that night.

Warren 03-12-2009 06:03 AM

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Originally Posted by Grace Angel (Post 906421)
I think they should have a funeral. It would be the most respectful and best thing to do.

Imperial Funeral
Quote from the Los Angeles Times link from the previous page:
http://articles.latimes.com/2009/mar.../sci-romanov11

But the story is not quite over. The original nine bodies were buried in Russia, but not as royalty, Sarandinaki said.
In May, he and Coble will present the new results to officials of the Russian Orthodox Church.
"Hopefully, we will be able to convince the church [that these are the remains of the royal family], and at the end, the church will agree and finally give the family the decent and honorable burial they deserve," Sarandinaki said.

"Once the church accepts the remains, my duty will be done," he said.

lucien 07-29-2009 09:50 AM

The latest news on the burial of Alyosha and Maria:

Interfax-Religion

St. Petersburg, July 29, Interfax - The Association of the Romanov Family considers it untimely during the global economic crisis to spend money on reburying the remains of the children of Emperor Nicholas II of Russia - Crown Prince Alexey and Grand Princess Maria found recently outside Yekaterinburg in the so-called second burial site, Ivan Artsishevsky, a spokesman for the association, told journalists in St. Petersburg.

A bit of a very lame excuse,according to me.

AnastasiaEvidence 07-29-2009 11:37 AM

This is very sad news. I was hoping that the remains of Alexei and Maria were going to be burried soon. But, after the economic crisis ends, the bones will be burried. The Russian Gov't is more concerned about handling the economic crisis.

lucien 07-30-2009 10:56 AM

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Originally Posted by AnastasiaEvidence (Post 972664)
This is very sad news. I was hoping that the remains of Alexei and Maria were going to be burried soon. But, after the economic crisis ends, the bones will be burried. The Russian Gov't is more concerned about handling the economic crisis.

I fail,and refuse,to see how a hyped up crisis can get in the way of a funeral for pete's sake.
It is nonsense,over-sensitive to no avail poppycock.

BeatrixFan 07-30-2009 01:52 PM

Well, this is obviously going to cost a fair bit of money as a state event, if Russia honestly can't afford it then surely it's better to wait till they can re-bury with the dignity and ceremony the children deserve rather than bung 'em in with the rest one Sunday afternoon?

Russophile 07-30-2009 06:33 PM

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Originally Posted by BeatrixFan (Post 973138)
Well, this is obviously going to cost a fair bit of money as a state event, if Russia honestly can't afford it then surely it's better to wait till they can re-bury with the dignity and ceremony the children deserve rather than bung 'em in with the rest one Sunday afternoon?

They'll bung them with the rest IMO. I think, again IMO, they are trying to sweep this under the rug as soon as possible.

AnastasiaEvidence 07-31-2009 08:40 AM

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Originally Posted by lucien (Post 973066)
I fail,and refuse,to see how a hyped up crisis can get in the way of a funeral for pete's sake.
It is nonsense,over-sensitive to no avail poppycock.

But, the funeral will be very expensive.
In my opinion, I think it would be best to bury the remains of the children as soon as possible because the children deserve to have a proper burial along with the rest of the family. It's been over 90 years and it's time for them to give the children the resting place they've been waiting for 90 years. The economic crisis might take over four years to end, so that will still be a long time later.

J Kendrick 07-31-2009 09:32 AM

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Originally Posted by lucien (Post 973066)
I fail,and refuse,to see how a hyped up crisis can get in the way of a funeral for pete's sake.
It is nonsense,over-sensitive to no avail poppycock.

Don't be surprised if you're all made to wait for another nine years... until the centenary date of July 17th in 2018.

JK

Marsel 07-31-2009 08:05 PM

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I doubt such a long wait will be required. In all probability, the reburial will be organized long before 2013 - the 400 year anniversary of the House of Romanovs.

I believe it was thoughtful of the members of the Romanov Family Association to agree to wait (should it prove necessary) till the economic crisis was over. The reburial of the last 2 remaining members of the Imperial Family is important, but right now there are a lot of more important ways the money can be spent.

Anna was Franziska 08-02-2009 05:57 PM

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Originally Posted by J Kendrick (Post 973533)
Don't be surprised if you're all made to wait for another nine years... until the centenary date of July 17th in 2018.

JK

I don't think they'd do that because too many elderly family members are not going to make it that long.

AnastasiaEvidence 08-05-2009 07:56 AM

2018 definitely would be too long. I don't think they'll wait that long. Maybe they'll wait for the next four years probably in 2012 or 2013. The economic crisis in Russia might end before 2012.

Marsel 08-13-2009 09:26 AM

I hoped some new information about the reburial would be made yesterday, on 105th anniversary of Tsarevich Alexei's birth. However, even though some Russian news agencies did highlight the birthday, no new data about the reburial was made available.
We might be braced for a long wait, perhaps till 2013.

rylt11 08-15-2009 08:06 PM

Wasn't Dagmar, from Denmark, returned to Russia recently to be buried next to her husband?

Couldn't the remaining children have been buried at the same time with their family?

Dierna23 08-15-2009 09:26 PM

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Originally Posted by rylt11 (Post 980354)
Wasn't Dagmar, from Denmark, returned to Russia recently to be buried next to her husband?

Couldn't the remaining children have been buried at the same time with their family?

Dagmars remains were returned to Saint Petersburg in 2005 in accordance with her wish to be interred next to her late husband, yes. And on 28 September 2006 her remains were interred next to her husband Alexander III in the Peter and Paul Cathedral.

I hope, Maria and Alexei will have their own funeral quite soon.

Anna was Franziska 11-15-2009 06:13 PM

Prince Nicholas Romanov urges burial of 2007 remains

Relative urges burial of last tsar's children

Relative urges burial of last tsar's children

November 12, 2009

MOSCOW - A relative of the murdered Russian royal family has called for the remains of two of the last tsar's children to be buried, the Izvestia newspaper reported on Thursday.
Nicholas Romanov, who heads a group of royal family members called the Romanov Family Association, criticized the delay in burying the remains of Grand Duchess Maria and Tsarevich Alexei, found in 2007.
"Among the problems that deeply worry me and all the Romanovs in our association, is the burial of the heir Alexei and Grand Duchess Maria," Romanov said in a statement published in the Izvestia daily.
"It's terrible that their remains are being stored somewhere," he said.
The bones of the two children, killed by Bolshevik agents in 1918 along with their father Tsar Nicholas II and the rest of his immediate family, are kept in a refrigerator in the city of Yekaterinburg, said prosecutor Vladimir Solovyov.


(note to mods: I tried not to repost the whole article, but it is necessary to post as much as possible because these links go down in a few months and the information is lost)

J Kendrick 06-17-2010 12:55 AM

From Today's Interfax/Religion
16 June 2010

Russian Church urges not to hurry confirming identification of Crown Prince Alexey and Grand Princess Mary's probable remnants


Moscow, June 16, Interfax - The Russian Orthodox Church urges not to hurry to officially confirm identification of remnants found in 2007 not far from Yekaterinburg, which, according to investigators, belong to Nicholas II's children.

"I believe that nothing makes us hurry today. Funerals will tempt us to think that we can draw a line under the affair. However, it's not true," head of the Synodal Department for Church and Society Relations Archpriest Vsevolod Chaplin told Interfax-Religion on Wednesday.

Commenting on the recent statement made by the Senior Criminalist of the Forensic Science Office at the Russian Prosecutor's Investigative Committee Vladimir Solovyov that the remains found in 2007 indeed belonged to Crown Prince Alexey and Grand Princess Mary, Fr. Vsevolod urged "to seriously compare all scientists' divergent positions" on the question.

Besides, the Moscow Patriarchate official believes it necessary to compare "results of the investigation held under Kolchak to the current investigation and still the most important is to name those who are guilty."


See: Interfax-Religion

pamela18335 06-30-2010 03:29 AM

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Originally Posted by J Kendrick (Post 1094579)
From Today's Interfax/Religion, 16 June 2010
Besides, the Moscow Patriarchate official believes it necessary to compare "results of the investigation held under Kolchak to the current investigation and still the most important is to name those who are guilty."
See: Interfax-Religion

This leaves me rather perplexed: Why is it "most important" to name the guilty parties than to acknowledge the identity of the remnants and provide a proper Orthodox burial? :confused:

lady of hay 06-30-2010 11:28 AM

I thought that the remains had already been identified using DNA from the remaining Ronanovs. I don't see any reason why it is important to name the guilty parties when we all know who they were, and after 90 years they are not likely to be brought to justice. This seems like delaying tactics to me

Russophile 06-30-2010 01:17 PM

It seems to me that Maria Vladimirovna and the church do not believe the DNA findings. And it wouldn't surprise me if those findings were wrong seeing as this whole situation looks like it is trying hard to be swept under the rug.


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