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Marsel 07-28-2009 09:42 PM

Prince Nicholas Romanov (b1922) and Prince Dimitri Romanov (b1926)
 
Since we have a thread about Maria Vladimirovna, I thought it might be a good idea to have a thread about the other claimant to the Headship of Imperial House of Romanov - Prince Nicholas Romanovich, and his brother (and Heir) - Prince Dimitri Romanov.


Prince Nicholas, the eldest son of Prince Roman Petrovich and Princess Prascovia Dmitrievna, is the President of the Romanov Family Association. Prince Dimitri, his younger brother, is a committee member of the Romanov Family Association.

Both Princes have closes ties with Russia. They were among the 7 Romanov Princes who met in Paris in 1992 and founded the Romanov Fund for Russia (a charitable organization that still operates) was created. Prince Dimitri has been the Chairman of the Fund since its created. He is also the Chairman of the Prince Dimitri Romanov Charity Fund which he founded in 2006 and which is also dedicated to raising money for charities in Russia.

Prince Dimitri has very close ties with Russian Orthodox Churches (both Abroad and in Russia): he is a member of the board of trustees of Fyodor’s Cathedral, which is devoted to the Fyodor Icon of the Mother of God, the patron and Guardian of the Romanov House. All Russian monarchs were crowned for the throne in front of this icon. The church was built in 1913. His most recent visit to Russia (and to the Fyodor's Cathedral) was just 10 days ago.

Marsel 07-28-2009 10:02 PM

There has been a renewed interest in everything Romanov lately: mostly, it is connected with the upcoming 400 years anniversary of the House of Romanov. However, it is also due to the fact that the members of the Imperial Family have actually started doing something other than constantly whining about the late Nicholas II and his family.
In my opinion, Prince Nicholas and Prince Dimitri Romanov are considerably ahead of Maria Vladimirovna in the 'actually doing something' department.

There was an interesting press conference yesterday (on July 28), during which the official spokesman for the Romanov Family Association answered several questions and read an announcement by Prince Dimitri (for Russian speaking members - you can read parts of interview and the announcement here).

The press conference was called to answer a variety of questions, starting from the issue of reburial of the remains of Tsarevich Alexei and Grand Duchess Maria, to comments made by Maria Vladimirovna earlier this month (about the possibility of return of the "Imperial Family" to Russia). Maria Vladimirovna stated that she would love to return to Russia on permanent basis; however the Russian Government must create 'appropriate conditions' for the Imperial Family.

The reburial issue and the Romanov's opinion about the timing is already posted as a blog entry. In my opinion, it shows consideration and understanding of the difficult times.

As for the response of the Romanov Family association to Maria Vladimirovna's announcement about the possible return of the Imperial Family to Russia on permanent basis, the spokesman read out Prince Dimitri's statement which addressed the issue.

To be brief, Prince Dimitri said that members of the Romanov Family may return to Russia as private citizen but that Maria Vladimirovna has absolutely no authority to make announcements on behalf of the Imperial Family, and even if members of the Family return, "they will not seek privileges or special treatment from the Russian Government under any circumstances", as had been agreed during the meeting of the Romanov Princes in 1992 in Paris (when all the senior male-line descendants of the House of Romanov agreed that they will never press any claims or request any special treatment from the Russian Government, without exceptions).
The full content of the press conference, as well as translation of Prince Dimitri's statement will soon appear on the blog as well.

Russophile 07-29-2009 07:43 PM

Marsel, is there a site or link to the Romanov Family Association? I was wondering how they get their money for charity and how they spend it, etc.
Thanks! :flowers:

Al_bina 07-29-2009 08:00 PM

Given the age of Prince Nicholas and Prince Dimitri Romano, I wonder who is meant to continue the bloodline.

http://www.fontanka.ru/blog/45437.html
Unsurprisingly ... comments to the article are rather sarcastic.


Russophile 07-29-2009 08:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Al_bina (Post 972874)
Given the age of Prince Nicholas and Prince Dimitri Romano, I wonder who is meant to continue the bloodline.

.Ru -
Unsurprisingly ... comments to the article are rather sarcastic.

A little help with the lingity would be helpful Al. :flowers:
Some of us had public education. . . .:biggrin:

Marsel 07-29-2009 08:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Russophile
Marsel, is there a site or link to the Romanov Family Association? I was wondering how they get their money for charity and how they spend it, etc.
Thanks!

You can find the link here.

I am afraid it does not give much information about the distribution of money. However, from what I know from other sources, the RFA mainly raises money for issues connected with culture and maintaining Heritage.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Al_bina
Given the age of Prince Nicholas and Prince Dimitri Romanov, I wonder who is meant to continue the bloodline.

It is expected that Prince Rostislav Rostislavovich Romanov will one day be a Claimant to the Headship of the Imperial House and President of the RFA. Prince Nicholas and Prince Dimitri appear to be ‘raising’ him as their Heir. Prince Rostislav is currently in Russia (St. Petersburg), where he studies Russian.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Russophile
A little help with the lingity would be helpful Al.
Some of us had public education. . . .

Summary of this article, as well as another similar article, is given is this blog entry.
The entry also includes translation of the official announcement made by Prince Dimitri Romanov (in response to Maria Vladimirovna's comments earlier this month).

As for the comments to the story, as Al_bina said, 'sarcastic' is probably the best word.
Some don't like the idea of restoration (although a couple do), some post silly comments. The only two coherent comments point out that Maria Vladimirovna has no rights to the Russian Throne under the Paul I law.

Al_bina 07-29-2009 10:39 PM

Thanks for information reagarding the heir!:flowers:
As for sarcastic comments, Marsel precisely summed up the meaningful ones. It is not unusual to read comments mentioning that Grand Duchess Maria Vladimirovna and her son are viewed as a part of the Hohennzollern family.

DWC 06-21-2011 07:48 PM

Prince Dimitri Romanovich has been invested with the Order of Friendship by President Dmitry Medvedev.

Russian President Medvedev decorates the Prince Dimitri Romanov Charity Fund chairman Prince Dimitri Romanov with the Order of Friendship during an award ceremony at the Gorki presidential residence outside Moscow

Cory 08-04-2011 06:17 PM

Everybody knows Grand Duke Kirill granted the titles of Prince Romanovsky to all the descendants of morganatic marriages of the Imperial House.Why these two russian aristocrats bear the surname Romanov and not Romanovsky?

XeniaCasaraghi 08-04-2011 06:31 PM

I've also heard that Prince Rostislov will inherit from Nicholas; JW if Nicholas and Dimitry have any sons who have willingly said they support Rostislov.

Cory 08-04-2011 06:35 PM

To inherit what?The fight against the Imperial House?The presidency of this association?

Lenora 08-12-2011 05:52 PM

The interview with Grand Duke Dmitriy Romanovich Romanov:

romanovtoday -
Here is the English translation:
Google
More about him on Wiki page:
Prince Dimitri Romanov - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

branchg 09-07-2011 04:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cory (Post 1297976)
Everybody knows Grand Duke Kirill granted the titles of Prince Romanovsky to all the descendants of morganatic marriages of the Imperial House.Why these two russian aristocrats bear the surname Romanov and not Romanovsky?

Not quite. Cyril issued a decree stating wives and children of a union between a dynast and a person not of corresponding rank that was approved by the Emperor de-jure were granted the style of Serene Highness and rank of noble Prince/Princess Romanovsky/skaya, along with a hyphenated reference of their choice. These descendants were not dynasts or members of the imperial family, but cadet branches of the House.

Marriages that were not approved by the Head of the House had no rights to use the family name whatsoever. So, Nicholas and Dimitri are not automatically Prince Romanovsky because their father, Prince Roman, married without permission of Grand Duke Cyril.

AristoCat 09-07-2011 05:20 PM

I dont' think the Imperial Family should really defer all that much to Cyril; Nicholas and Alexandra were barely dead when he claimed headship.

reginalix 09-08-2011 04:07 PM

Today there arent dynasts princes anymore.

Even the Kyrillovych branch is not dynast. Princess Leonida was a noble for Russians and Georgians, not equal at all. The Bagration Mukhransky family is not the royal family of Georgia for georgian people and their actual Patriarch! They always have belonged to the nobility. Last Tsar didnt allow an equal marriage between Princess Tatiana and a Prince Mukhransky. She had to renounce to her rights.

Its simple Vladimir, autoproclamed Tsar decided to create a royal rank for his wife-to-be. *Fait du Prince*. Of course, the Middle-Age sovereign princely families of Russia even the descendants of the Great Princes of Kyiv of the Khans of Siberia of the others Caucasian has not received same gifts from their capricious Tsar.Too dangerous for him.

NGalitzine 09-08-2011 07:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cory (Post 1297976)
Everybody knows Grand Duke Kirill granted the titles of Prince Romanovsky to all the descendants of morganatic marriages of the Imperial House.Why these two russian aristocrats bear the surname Romanov and not Romanovsky?

Thats easy to answer. The other members of the Imperial Family did not recognize Kirils right to make such pronouncements. They also questioned his own unapproved marriage and the marriage of Vladimir to a Bagration. As far as the rest of the family is concerned their family name if Romanov no matter what the Kirilovitch clan say.

NGalitzine 09-08-2011 07:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by AristoCat (Post 1313763)
I dont' think the Imperial Family should really defer all that much to Cyril; Nicholas and Alexandra were barely dead when he claimed headship.

After swearing loyalty to the Provisional Government !

AristoCat 09-08-2011 11:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by NGalitzine (Post 1314196)
Thats easy to answer. The other members of the Imperial Family did not recognize Kirils right to make such pronouncements. They also questioned his own unapproved marriage and the marriage of Vladimir to a Bagration. As far as the rest of the family is concerned their family name if Romanov no matter what the Kirilovitch clan say.

And they are; they are Romanovs and they are Russian royalty whether Kiril liked it, or whether or not Maria likes it. It's so chronically antagonistic that Cyril did what he did and there is no reason that it still has to continue to this day. Utterly nauseating. It's caused nothing but trouble and has done nothing but split the Romanov Family and isolate her son. I view Georgi as a Romanov and he isn't able to really have friends from the family as a result of this silly conflict.

XeniaCasaraghi 09-09-2011 01:18 AM

Here here! Cyril nor his family run jack. They think they run jack and like to pretend they do.

AristoCat 09-09-2011 01:25 AM

Nicholas and Dimitri are the two that head the rest of the Association and seem to understand that Russia cannot afford a royal family and that the nation does not want to even have an officially established RF. Nicholas understands that Russians are jobless and starving, while death pretty much runs the streets. Meanwhile Maria isolates her son and pushes him into a role that he might be suited to, but won't be accepted by the rest, which at this point places him at odds with the rest of the Romanovs who might otherwise even accept him as Heir, if not for his mother. It's Maria that is making things so difficult for everyone and both Nicholas and Dimitri are actually ironically older than her and Nicholas was born only four years after the assassination of the Imperial Family.


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