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kcc 05-06-2004 01:10 PM

Oldest Royal and Noble Families
 
what royal/noble families have the oldest traceable ancesty.also is the massimo descent from an ancient roman general(maximus i believe) genuine.i find this fascinating so any info or input is much appreciated.

i forgot to mention that it does not matter wheather it is male or female line descent.

hi. let me start by saying that i have already asked this question in a different part of this forum,but recieved no reply. what royal/noble families have the oldest traceable lineage. also are the roman descents of the massimo, orsiniand antici-matei(sorry about the spelling)families genuine.thanks in advance.

bct88 05-21-2004 03:30 PM

I believe that the oldest is Denmark. The first king I believe was Gorm the Old in the 900s.

Theilmann 05-21-2004 10:27 PM

If the question is which is the oldest monarchy, then the answer is obviously Denmark, but as for families... I don't know if any royal/noble families can trace their roots back beyond the 900-hundreds.
Actually Gorm the Old wasn't the first King in the present line, he is just the first where we know for sure which year he was born, ascended the throne and died. There wasn't much of a litteral tradition in Denmark prior to Gorm, so any evidence has to be found either in stones ingraved with runes or in foreign accounts. Unfortunately those accounts only tell us the names of the kings and their lineage, not the dates of their accension,birth,death etc.

hillary_nugent 05-22-2004 07:47 AM

Denmark i heard is the oldest royal family...interesting topic i would love to hear more feedback ^__^

kcc 05-22-2004 09:47 AM

thanks for the replies. i thought of denmark as well,but i think the dynasty has changed a few times (like sweden).anyone know the origins of certain german houses such as bavaria or wurttemberg. oh and the italian families in the first post.

tiaraprin 05-28-2004 10:48 PM

the oldest monarchy by far is Denmark but there are other royal families whose lineage goes back farther such as the British Royals--before England was completely unified, there were several Royal witans--or clans each with a ruling prince or King.

Iain 06-05-2004 05:11 PM

I believe that the oldest reigning dynasty is the House of Tupou, the royal family of Tonga.

kcc 06-07-2004 09:23 AM

thank you for your reply. i never would have thought to consider polynesian royalty.now i have at least a couple of hours of research,which i greatly enjoy.

Philippos 06-12-2004 10:56 AM

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Originally posted by Iain@Jun 5th, 2004 - 11:11 pm
I believe that the oldest reigning dynasty is the House of Tupou, the royal family of Tonga.
How long can one trace The Royal House's of Tonga male ancestry?

tiaraprin 06-13-2004 11:11 PM

Other long traceable royal geneologies are the English, Danish, and French Royal Families.

The English can extend back to the time of Boadicea I believe.

Iain 06-16-2004 11:20 AM

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Originally posted by Philippos@Jun 12th, 2004 - 10:56 am

How long can one trace The Royal House's of Tonga male ancestry?

The first King reigned c.950. The present King is the 43rd monarch and traces his decent in unbroken line back to the first King.

Iain 06-16-2004 11:22 AM

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Originally posted by tiaraprin@Jun 13th, 2004 - 11:11 pm
Other long traceable royal geneologies are the English, Danish, and French Royal Families.

The English can extend back to the time of Boadicea I believe.

The English Royal family died out in 1603.

tiaraprin 06-17-2004 12:46 AM

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Originally posted by Iain+Jun 16th, 2004 - 10:22 am--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Iain @ Jun 16th, 2004 - 10:22 am)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-tiaraprin@Jun 13th, 2004 - 11:11 pm
Other long traceable royal geneologies are the English, Danish, and French Royal Families.

The English can extend back to the time of Boadicea I believe.

The English Royal family died out in 1603. [/b][/quote]
In the basic direct line it did, but its members married into the Royal Family of Scotland and that is how they came to the throne. If you wish to be more technical, It really died a more bitter death in 1714 with Queen Anne and the Hanoverian take-over. However, there are still blood ties to the English royal dynasties.

Humera 10-06-2004 10:42 PM

isnt the moroccan royal family quite old as well?
The Hashemites of Jordan are ofcourse one of the newest monarchs but the family goes way back to Prophet Muhammad (SAW)

Julian 10-07-2004 12:12 AM

kcc, I was told elsewhere by someone who really knows about the Italian high aristocracy that the roman princely families you ask about like Massimo, Orsini, Colonna, do *not* date back to the time of the roman empire. They are much more recent...i.e., the middle ages:)

Iain 10-14-2004 04:47 AM

The oldest ruling dynasty in the world are the House of Tupou who are the royal family of Tonga. The throne has passed through the one family for 43 generations.

Iain 10-14-2004 04:57 AM

[QUOTE=tiaraprin]the oldest monarchy by far is Denmark but there are other royal families whose lineage goes back farther such as the British Royals--before England was completely unified,

The English royal house died out in 1603. The present British royal family is decended from the Scots royal family who trace their origins back to King Fergus Mor who founded the Scots kingdom in AD498. This makes Scotland an older kingdom than Denmark.

norwegianne 10-14-2004 05:31 AM

Aye, but James, who ascended the throne after Elizabeth was a relative of hers. (His grandmother, wasn't it, who was a sister of Henry VIII?)
I suspect it all comes down to your criterias, who you ask and how your pose your questions, in matters such as these.

hillary_nugent 10-14-2004 05:34 AM

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Originally Posted by Iain
The English royal house died out in 1603. The present British royal family is decended from the Scots royal family who trace their origins back to King Fergus Mor who founded the Scots kingdom in AD498. This makes Scotland an older kingdom than Denmark.

So Queen Elizabeth II in actual fact Scottish? did the English royal family end with Queen Elizabeth I???

Julian 10-15-2004 01:23 AM

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Originally Posted by hillary_nugent
So Queen Elizabeth II in actual fact Scottish? did the English royal family end with Queen Elizabeth I???

To answer that--no, it didn't end completely with Elizabeth I, because James I who followed her was her heir because his grandmother, Margaret, was the sister of Henry VIII. She was a Tudor who married a Stuart. The most Scottish blood that the present Queen has may come through her own mother's family not the tiny amount she indirectly inherits so many generations back from James I.


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