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CrownPrinceLorenzo 02-02-2006 06:02 AM

Rules of Succession
 
Can someone give me what kind of Order of Succession the royal families of the world have?

I only know of the following:

Imperial Family of Japan = Salic Law
Royal Family of United Kingdom = Male Primogeniture
Royal Family of Denmark = Male Primogeniture
Royal Family of Sweden = Full Linear Succession
Princely Family of Lichtenstein = Semi-Salic Law
Grand Ducal Family of Luxembourg = Semi-Salic Law

I'm especially interested about Middle Eastern Royals' succession laws.

betina 02-02-2006 07:08 AM

Norway = Full Linear Succession
Belgium = Full Linear Succession
Holland = Full Linear Succession

Iain 02-02-2006 08:07 AM

I think Tonga is Full Linear Succession as in 1900 Queen Salote succeeded her Father King George II despite having two younger brothers.

KatieLouise 02-02-2006 08:13 AM

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Originally Posted by CrownPrinceLorenzo

I'm especially interested about Middle Eastern Royals' succession laws.

Obviously for now male relatives are the only candidates for succession! :rolleyes: Yet, there seems to be no precendent of succession through primogeniture. Other people will know more, but it seems to go to the most suitable candidate rather then the next male in line.

Juanita 02-02-2006 08:42 AM

Spain = Male Primogeniture

CrownPrinceLorenzo 02-02-2006 09:33 AM

So...
 
Norway is full succession? I thought it wasn't 'coz the current crown prince is younger than his sister isn't he? Or did they change it?

Anymore succession guys/gals?

How about the African royals? And the other Asian royals?

And are ALL Middle Eastern royals male-only succession?

Is Monacco also a Semi-Salic?

Paula** 02-02-2006 09:47 AM

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Originally Posted by ...JuAnItA...
Spain = Male Primogeniture

But Will change now for Leonor right?

norwegianne 02-02-2006 10:15 AM

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Originally Posted by CrownPrinceLorenzo
Norway is full succession? I thought it wasn't 'coz the current crown prince is younger than his sister isn't he? Or did they change it?

The Norwegian law changed in 1990, to allow women to acceede to the throne. Unlike in Sweden, where the change in laws were retroactive enough to put Victoria ahead of Carl-Philip, it was deemed in Norway that that would be an extremely strange way of doing it, as Haakon and Märtha both were old enough to be aware of the situation.

The exact wording of the law, in English:

Article 6:
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The order of succession is lineal, so that only a child born in lawful wedlock of the Queen or King, or of one who is herself or himself entitled to the succession may succeed, and so that the nearest line shall take precedence over the more remote and the elder in the line over the younger.

An unborn child shall also be included among those entitled to the succession and shall immediately take her or his proper place in the line of succession as soon as she or he is born into the world.

The right of succession shall not, however, belong to any person who is not born in the direct line of descent from the last reigning Queen or King or a sister or brother thereof, or is herself or himself a sister or brother thereof.

When a Princess or Prince entitled to succeed to the Crown of Norway is born, her or his name and time of birth shall be notified to the first Storting in session and be entered in the record of its proceedings.

For those born before the year 1971, Article 6 of the Constitution as it was passed on 18 November 1905 shall, however, apply. For those born before the year 1990 it shall nevertheless be the case that a male shall take precedence over a female.
- http://odin.dep.no/odin/engelsk/norw...032005-990424/

This is why the Norwegian line of succession ends at Leah Isadora Behn, and doesn't include Princess Ragnhild and her descendants, and Princess Astrid and her descendants.

Veram98 02-02-2006 11:34 AM

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Originally Posted by CrownPrinceLorenzo
I'm especially interested about Middle Eastern Royals' succession laws.

Jordan:

Article 28 of the Jordan constitution says the following:

"The Royal title shall pass from the holder of the Throne to his eldest son, and to the eldest son of that son and in linear succession by a similar process thereafter. Should the eldest son die before the Throne devolves upon him, his eldest son shall inherit the Throne, despite the existence of brothers to the deceased son.
The King may, however, select one of his brothers as heir apparent. In this event, title to the Throne shall pass to him from the holder of the Throne.”

The last clause was an amendment of 1965. It became part of the constitution then to handle a special difficult situation (several assassination attempts against King Hussein while his eldest son was still a toddler).

Veram98 02-02-2006 11:39 AM

Morocco: Male primogeniture

Veram98 02-02-2006 12:13 PM

In Kuwait the position of emir should actually alternate between the two main branches of the ruling Sabah family: the Jaber branch, of which the late emir Jaber (who died last month) was a member, and the Salem branch. Crown Prince Sheikh Sabah of the Salem branch became automatically emir after the death of Jaber, but he was ousted after a few days by a vote of the Kuwaiti parliament because of his poor health (as not fit for the throne). The new emir is now (since last week) Sheikh Saad, again a member of the Jaber branch.

CrownPrinceLorenzo 02-02-2006 07:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Veram98
Morocco: Male primogeniture

So Morocco has had female Monarchs before?

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Originally Posted by Veram98
In Kuwait the position of emir should actually alternate between the two main branches of the ruling Sabah family: the Jaber branch, of which the late emir Jaber (who died last month) was a member, and the Salem branch. Crown Prince Sheikh Sabah of the Salem branch became automatically emir after the death of Jaber, but he was ousted after a few days by a vote of the Kuwaiti parliament because of his poor health (as not fit for the throne). The new emir is now (since last week) Sheikh Saad, again a member of the Jaber branch.

So basically, they don't pass from father to son then?

So what about Monacco? Is it Semi-Salic law?

Thailand?

How about the non-reigning Royal Houses like Serbia-Yugoslavia?

Warren 02-03-2006 03:39 AM

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Originally Posted by CrownPrinceLorenzo
So what about Monaco? Is it Semi-Salic law?
Thailand?
How about the non-reigning Royal Houses like Serbia-Yugoslavia?

Monaco: male primogeniture with female succession (same as UK and Denmark);
Thailand: at the discretion of the King;
Serbia-Montenegro, formerly Yugoslavia: Salic Law.
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Princely Family of Lichtenstein = Semi-Salic Law
Article 12 of the Fürstenhaus Liechtenstein House Laws states "Succession to the throne...shall be governed by the principle of primogeniture. This means that the first-born male of the eldest line is always called to suceed to the throne." ie Salic Law.

CrownPrinceLorenzo 02-03-2006 05:02 AM

Hello
 
Well from Wikipedia.org it says Primogeniture and Male Primogeniture are the same thing.

And it also says in Wikipedia that Liechtenstein uses Semi-Salic law.

So I'm confused now.

As for Thailand, can he choose a female heir then? Thanks btw.

Warren 02-03-2006 06:36 AM

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Originally Posted by CrownPrinceLorenzo
And it also says in Wikipedia that Liechtenstein uses Semi-Salic law.
So I'm confused now.

There is no confusion.

From The Princely House of Liechtenstein website here .

"The Succession to the Throne

The line of succession and the succession to the throne was regulated in 1606 by family treaty. The primogeniture-succession or the right of the first born was introduced then. In this line of succession the main property of the House and further privileges (eg the title, the archives of the House and the collections) are inherited by the first male born of the oldest family line. The first born son of the respectively ruling prince achieves by birth the right of succession to the throne for him and for his male descendants."

There is nothing "semi-Salic" about the Liechtenstein succession. Females don't get a look-in.

CrownPrinceLorenzo 02-03-2006 07:01 AM

Okay thanks.
 
Thanks for clearing it up, wikipedia.org got it wrong then. Wouldn't be the first time.

betina 02-03-2006 09:05 AM

we are also trying in Denmark to make the law of succesion as it is in Norway and Sweden

CrownPrinceLorenzo 02-03-2006 09:27 AM

^_^
 
I hope that will convince other monarchies to follow suit.

norwegianne 03-14-2006 04:08 AM

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Originally Posted by betina
we are also trying in Denmark to make the law of succesion as it is in Norway and Sweden

Prince Christian's birth thwarted some of the rush that was around it, and a lot of the media hype.

asma 03-14-2006 06:29 AM

What's meant by ''semi salic''?


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