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Warren 12-31-2008 10:41 AM

William and Kate: engagement and relationship rumours and musings 2009
 
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William and Kate: engagement and relationship rumours and musings thread for 2009



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Lady Ann 12-31-2008 05:37 PM

Some people say they are already engagaed and have been for some time. I think that at this point there must be some kind of understanding? or does any one think I am mistaking.. I love to here all of your veiw points..my opinon is just that mine..

Al_bina 12-31-2008 05:50 PM

If the individuals in question are engaged, who will pay any special attention to Mrs. Middleton's statement/statements amidst the engagement and wedding fever? If they are not engaged, the family and Ms. Middleton have already hinted about it to the public at large. This shocking revelation by Mrs. Middleton does no harm to the parties concerned.

georgiea 01-01-2009 03:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Lady Ann (Post 873826)
Some people say they are already engagaed and have been for some time. I think that at this point there must be some kind of understanding? or does any one think I am mistaking.. I love to here all of your view points..my opinion is just that mine..

Lady Anne I believe that the couple have an understanding to date only each other and are committed. But Prince William has stated since the relationship came out in the press that he is not ready to marry until he is older, 28 or 30.

I think Kate loves him and is hoping for him to commit to marriage. If I was her I would wonder what Prince William's parents did to him emotionally with their marriage problems.

I have watch the actions of the couple and I don't see marriage for a few years. They are settling into their chosen careers at the moment. I think the short breakup in 2007 made them realize they are not ready to marry yet. :smile:

Menarue 01-01-2009 03:38 PM

Only one question Georgiea, what chosen career is Kate settling into?

Ella Kay 01-01-2009 04:34 PM

I think the continued insistence that she's not working or having a "career" is just a little ridiculous at this point, to be honest. She works for her parents at their family business. Why isn't that good enough for those who continue to be critical?

mcarroll-royal 01-01-2009 05:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Ella Kay (Post 874103)
I think the continued insistence that she's not working or having a "career" is just a little ridiculous at this point, to be honest. She works for her parents at their family business. Why isn't that good enough for those who continue to be critical?


This type of employment means that Kate is allowed to do what she wants and more importantly when she wants - ie when William calls she is at his beck and call. It does not appear to me that it is a 9 to 5 job and certainly not a five day a week job.
The problem is that Kate gave up a job (created especially for her by friends of her family) and that this job entailed only three days a week. The general public and the media expect that Kate hold down a proper job (as I have stated earlier in this opinion) as she can not be seen to be workshy when she becomes Queen (GOD FORBID THIS).

Jo of Palatine 01-01-2009 05:21 PM

I personally think it is rather ridiculous to belive that we can judge a person by the way they offially work. Okay, in the absence of other clues to judge this might appear more important than it actually is but it is still a part of her life where she is respondant on others - her employers. So it doesn't tell what people want to read out of it. IMHO, of course.

Ella Kay 01-01-2009 05:21 PM

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Originally Posted by mcarroll-royal (Post 874111)
This type of employment means that Kate is allowed to do what she wants and more importantly when she wants - ie when William calls she is at his beck and call. It does not appear to me that it is a 9 to 5 job and certainly not a five day a week job.

I guess my problem with this line of thinking is two-fold: first, we do not know the particulars of Kate's work schedule - she may be working the sort of hours you suggest, or she might be working longer hours a few days a week, or she might be working barely at all - we can't know (and I don't think we're entitled to know). All we have are assumptions based on that interview that Belle Robinson gave about a previous job (which may be quite different from this one) and on photographs of Kate out and about at certain times (which have included, in the past two or three months, exactly one photograph of her out during a typical person's work time).

Second, there's the assumption that a job that only requires you to be at the workplace for a few hours a week is not a "proper" job. For example, my work is divided between my job site and home, and so I have flexibility as to when I complete the work I'm assigned out of the office. My job isn't easy, and it's extremely fulfilling. I'd reject the idea that I don't work hard because my work doesn't all happen at the office. We don't know what Kate's doing or where it takes place, and I don't think it's right to dismiss her work because it may not fit into some people's idea of the "typical" job.

I just really think it's a weak argument that this job isn't the "right" job for Kate to have. She's a private citizen. She's working. We don't even know if the two of them will marry someday. She has the right to choose the job she prefers. I don't think her current employment should be treated as a sort of de facto audition for possible queen-ship one day.

georgiea 01-01-2009 05:22 PM

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Originally Posted by mcarroll-royal (Post 874111)
This type of employment means that Kate is allowed to do what she wants and more importantly when she wants - ie when William calls she is at his beck and call. It does not appear to me that it is a 9 to 5 job and certainly not a five day a week job.
The problem is that Kate gave up a job (created especially for her by friends of her family) and that this job entailed only three days a week. The general public and the media expect that Kate hold down a proper job (as I have stated earlier in this opinion) as she can not be seen to be workshy when she becomes Queen (GOD FORBID THIS).

Kate is in 9-5 graphic job. Creating catalogs is a very consuming position with a lot of detail involved. Sorry, I use to be a graphic designer; with a family owned business, who did the catalogs and all other graphics. Catalog production is a proper job and very fulfilling. I have not notice since she has started working for her family's business much time off for vacations, partying and shopping. That is because catalogs creation do have deadlines. Sorry, but to me Kate and Prince William are now focusing on there careers and relationship in a mature manner. :flowers:

Amelia 01-01-2009 05:42 PM

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Originally Posted by mcarroll-royal (Post 874111)
......The problem is that Kate gave up a job (created especially for her by friends of her family)......

:ermm: Hasn't Belle Robinson stated that she is in fact not a friend of Kate's parents and that she has only met them a few times and that this was just something that the media came up with.

Menarue 01-01-2009 05:45 PM

Georgiea I believe that your job is time consuming and that you work 9-5 on it and I respect you for that. But, I don´t know how you know that Kate is putting as much committment into her job as you are, or that she is actually doing all the graphics for her family´s firm. We only know what we are told and much of that is only through the newspapers and those we can´t trust absolutely. I did see her photo on the Party Pieces site, but the rest is just hearsay. I don´t think it matters to tell you the truth if she works or not but when people say she is working it gives the idea that she is not Waity Katy sitting round waiting to be Queen of England which perhaps is a better way to picture her.

Ella Kay 01-01-2009 06:12 PM

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I don´t think it matters to tell you the truth if she works or not but when people say she is working it gives the idea that she is not Waity Katy sitting round waiting to be Queen of England which perhaps is a better way to picture her.
Why would that be better? We've got no real indication that she fits the tabloid-anointed "Waity Katie" image any more than she fits the image of a worker chained to a desk. I don't get why it's more palatable to imagine the worst of someone when we've got no real way to know what she's like or what her goals are.

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Originally Posted by Amelia (Post 874128)
:ermm: Hasn't Belle Robinson stated that she is in fact not a friend of Kate's parents and that she has only met them a few times and that this was just something that the media came up with.

She said something similar in the Evening Standard interview, I believe -- that she and the Middletons are casual acquaintances, not friends.

Iluvbertie 01-01-2009 06:34 PM

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Originally Posted by The Editrix (Post 873813)
I guess I was really laughing at the magazine, not the Middleton family. I just think it's amazing how women's magazines are able fabricate stories in this way. Yeah right, but if so, what are these 'close friends' doing reporting this stuff to the press. . . it's all so phony, it just strikes me as being funny. . .

To be fair to the magazine they didn't publish the story first.

This is a take off (almost word for word) of the Katie Nicholls article in the Daily Mail published on 21st December. That is why I didn't mention it earlier when I read it on Monday. See: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-1099104/Royal-Wedding-It-happen-says-Kate-Middletons-mother.html

GovGen 01-01-2009 09:42 PM

If there is any kind of understanding between them and marriage is still several years off, Kate probably should be doing something to shed the Waity Katy tag. I think this does matter, particularly to the generation that she is equivalent to and would be most involved and growing with, as a Royal alongside William. If she were a true high society aristo girl, this could likely be seen as normal or expected. But as she comes from a common background (even though it's upper middle class), not having a bonafide job/career after graduation, she gets labelled negatively as something else, ie. social climber.

As I recall, William has never acknowledged their relationship in any official way, but if there is any kind of understanding, she (and him) have to realize that she just can't be sheltered behind the 'private citizen' excuse all the time.

Luv2Cruise 01-01-2009 10:59 PM

Until she exits the church on William's arm as Princess Catherine, what she does, how she lives her life, where she does it, and with whom is completely her business and no one else's, certainly not anyone on the internet. And especially since she has not been officially acknowledged by William nor the Queen nor Prince Charles as William's girlfriend.

This "Waity Katy" label was coined at a very nasty royal watcher website where they've done nothing but bang Kate Middleton BEFORE the day she graduated college, and the sleazier tabloid press picked up on it and ran with it. These few malcontents didn't shut their mouths when she got a job at Jigsaw and they continue to run their mouths now that she is working out of view of the camera lense at her parents' business, which is her legitimate right as an heir to same. It's called learning the business that she and her siblings will some day inherit. But I guess that's not good enough for some people.

So please spare me this she should get a job to be worthy BS because I know the SAME FEW PEOPLE who foment this tripe all over the internet will find something else to b*** about.

angela 01-01-2009 11:07 PM

Oh my heart bleeds for them. I havn't been a decent holiday for 3 years but I hope poor overworked Prince W and his equally tired out girlfriend get a rest from whatever it is they do!

Odette 01-01-2009 11:10 PM

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Originally Posted by angela (Post 874239)
Oh my heart bleeds for them. I havn't been a decent holiday for 3 years but I hope poor overworked Prince W and his equally tired out girlfriend get a rest from whatever it is they do!

Oh dear!. He is in line to inherit a throne and she stands by his side waiting to be offered the chance to assist.....That is stressful.......:rofl: I hope you understand the seriousness of the situation.......:rofl::rofl::rofl:

wbenson 01-01-2009 11:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Luv2Cruise (Post 874235)
And especially since she has not been officially acknowledged by William nor the Queen nor Prince Charles as William's girlfriend.

What would an "official acknowledgment" take the form of?

Luv2Cruise 01-01-2009 11:37 PM

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Originally Posted by wbenson (Post 874242)
What would an "official acknowledgment" take the form of?

That has always been my question. It was meant to be a mocking reference.


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