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HRHofNothing 04-18-2009 01:58 PM

Abdication
 
Who is most likely to abdicate? Who will never consider that as a possibility in a million years? Who probably wants to but circumstances are preventing them from doing so? Discuss

Bones 04-20-2009 09:45 PM

Queen Beatrix is probably most likely; I think abdication has sort of become a tradition in the Dutch monarchy. Queen Elizabeth II I think would never even consider it and has more or less said so as I recall. As to who wants to but cannot do so, I have no idea, I'd have to know all of them a whole lot better to even make a guess.

grace marie 04-21-2009 07:11 AM

I'm happy that Queen Elisabeth doesn't plan to abdicate. I think that Great Britain will lose very much in a day when she's gone. In Great Britain was always great queen: Elisabeth I, Queen Victoria and Elisabeth II. Kings? Nothing special. For example king Henri VI remind me always this story with his six wifes, wharever he did for the country. Prince Charles, yes, I like him, but he reminds me about Diana and Camilla story. Prince William in media is like celebrity who sometimes did sth for charity. Well, Angelina Jolie did it too.

So: God, save the Queen.

grace marie 04-21-2009 07:11 AM

I'm just noticed: Elizabeth not Elisabeth.

QUEENECE29 04-21-2009 02:53 PM

I guess these issues are related to the first King Albert, the second of King Harald, King Juan Carlos as the third.

Queen Elizabeth II will not waiver.

Bones 04-22-2009 03:12 AM

Greatness is in the eye of the beholder and often has alot to do with the time and place and with who gets to write your story and how well they do. Elizabeth I had great "press" people and gets alot of credit for great accomplishments during her reign that she didn't really have much to do with. Queen Victoria, oddly enough, all but abdicated for a very long time after Albert died. She was an amazing woman and yet if a monarch displayed her behavior today they would probably be torn to shreds in the media. On the other hand King Edward I was, I think, always considered one of the greatest of English kings but since the movie "Braveheart" everyone thinks of him as an evil, butchering villain. Henry V and Richard the Lionheart are still usually well thought of and I think King George VI was an amazing monarch and a very great man.

Anyhoo, has Prince Hans-Adam II formally abdicated yet? If not, he might make the list.

Warren 04-22-2009 04:36 AM

:previous:
Hans-Adam remains the Reigning Prince and Head of the Princely House. Alois is Regent.

Iluvbertie 05-24-2009 06:04 AM

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Originally Posted by Bones (Post 924559)
Greatness is in the eye of the beholder and often has alot to do with the time and place and with who gets to write your story and how well they do. Elizabeth I had great "press" people and gets alot of credit for great accomplishments during her reign that she didn't really have much to do with. Queen Victoria, oddly enough, all but abdicated for a very long time after Albert died. She was an amazing woman and yet if a monarch displayed her behavior today they would probably be torn to shreds in the media. On the other hand King Edward I was, I think, always considered one of the greatest of English kings but since the movie "Braveheart" everyone thinks of him as an evil, butchering villain. Henry V and Richard the Lionheart are still usually well thought of and I think King George VI was an amazing monarch and a very great man.

Anyhoo, has Prince Hans-Adam II formally abdicated yet? If not, he might make the list.


I agree that greatness is often in the eye of the beholder e.g. I think Henry VIII was a great king as he broke England away from a foreign power that could, and often did, interfere in the affairs of his country.

I have little regard for Richard I who beggared his country to go and fight foreign wars while his much maligned brother (and a lot of the criticism is justified) stayed at home and tried to govern a bankrupt country. I rate John more highly than Richard as a result.

Bones 05-24-2009 10:00 PM

Wow, I gotta take your picture...:photo:...I've never come across anyone who favors King John over King Richard. I cannot say I agree but kudos to you for coming to your own conclusion and swimming against the current. :hmm:

:plantagenet::englandflag:

Next Star 05-28-2009 04:16 PM

Abdication is nothing out of the ordinary that is the decision of the monarch that he or she does not want to hold or run that postion anymore.
Even modern times two kings (Cambodia,Bhutan) one queen the late Juilana (Netherlands) and one grand duke Jean (Luxembourg) all did the above for their sons or a daughter.

Bones 05-28-2009 04:51 PM

:previous:But to be fair all monarchies are not the same and there are a great many for which abdication would be all but unthinkable. In Britain, for example, abdication is, as I understand it, still viewed as something rather disgraceful. The countries you mentioned have traditions of abdicating being almost standard procedure (well, except maybe Cambodia but then King Sihanouk is in a class by himself in a multitude of ways) but many other countries do not.
:king3:

Princess_Beatrix 05-28-2009 05:07 PM

In what countries do Kings/Queens not abdicate, but stay King/Queen until they die?
I only heard about Norway.

UserDane 05-28-2009 05:11 PM

Queen Margrethe of Denmark will stay put - till she "drops off the chair" as she has put it. Just like all her predecessors.

Next Star 05-28-2009 05:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Bones (Post 944616)
:previous:But to be fair all monarchies are not the same and there are a great many for which abdication would be all but unthinkable. In Britain, for example, abdication is, as I understand it, still viewed as something rather disgraceful. The countries you mentioned have traditions of abdicating being almost standard procedure (well, except maybe Cambodia but then King Sihanouk is in a class by himself in a multitude of ways) but many other countries do not.
:king3:

I am not saying all monarchies have monarchs who abdicate I am talking about they have the choice to do to hold their postions for life or abdicate.
I know Luxembourg and Netherlands are known for their monarchs abdications but Cambodia and Bhutan are not.

Iluvbertie 06-01-2009 05:39 AM

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Originally Posted by Princess_Beatrix (Post 944619)
In what countries do Kings/Queens not abdicate, but stay King/Queen until they die?
I only heard about Norway.


I only know of The Netherlands where they routinely abdicate in Europe.

Japan, Britain, Spain, Sweden and Denmark all have a history of staying put. I think Belgium also stays put. Russia and Germany also stayed there until death.

The abdication of Edward VIII of GB was so rare that it caused a major upheaval.

RoyalistRiley 06-01-2009 06:30 AM

Queen Elizabeth II will never abdicate and I don't think many other Monarchs are heading for the door.

Jacknch 06-01-2009 07:22 AM

Is there anything to prevent Queen Beatrix reigning until her death?

I think only the most exceptional and unusual circumstances would most monarchs decide to abdicate. More likely a regent would be put in place if the monarch became incapacitated due to ill health.

Odette 06-01-2009 07:30 AM

Even though it has been done in the past, I do not believe that Queen Beatrix will abdicate until she is certain the Dutch people will accept WA as their king.
The royal landscape has changed so much with the current generation of princes (esses) in waiting. The monarchs will be advised to secure the next generation's place in history before leaving the scene.

Iluvbertie 06-01-2009 05:15 PM

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Originally Posted by RoyalistRiley (Post 946040)
Queen Elizabeth II will never abdicate and I don't think many other Monarchs are heading for the door.


I agree that Elizabeth won't abdicate but then again I do think back to her 21st birthday promise 'to serve you all my life'.

What if the best way for her to 'serve' Britain is to abdicate? I can't imagine that situation so this is a 'what if' scenario.

Say she was diagnosed with early stages of alzheimers and so knew that she would eventually lose her faculties. Would she then consider abdication to prevent a regency rather than a full time new monarch? In that way she might feel it was the best way to 'serve' the country would be for her to step aside, assist Charles for a short period before losing her faculties and being unable to carry out her duties, maybe even attend her son's coronation.

Just musing mind you.

RoyalistRiley 06-10-2009 03:32 AM

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Originally Posted by Iluvbertie (Post 946322)
I agree that Elizabeth won't abdicate but then again I do think back to her 21st birthday promise 'to serve you all my life'.

What if the best way for her to 'serve' Britain is to abdicate? I can't imagine that situation so this is a 'what if' scenario.

Say she was diagnosed with early stages of alzheimers and so knew that she would eventually lose her faculties. Would she then consider abdication to prevent a regency rather than a full time new monarch? In that way she might feel it was the best way to 'serve' the country would be for her to step aside, assist Charles for a short period before losing her faculties and being unable to carry out her duties, maybe even attend her son's coronation.

Just musing mind you.

Good point, although I hope that this won't come true!

imojeen 06-21-2009 07:28 AM

I hope QEII will never abdicate.. She is good as queen.

Esmerelda 12-03-2010 04:57 PM

There were rumours that King Albert of Belgium was considering abdication but decided not to due to the recent political situation. I think Queen Beatrix would abdicate when her grandchildren are old enough for their father to resume the throne. Grand Duke Henri may abdicate in the distant future (once Guillaume is married, with children and considerable experience) as his father Jean did.

Never going to abdicate: Queen Elizabeth, King Harald, King Carl Gustav, Queen Margrethe, Emperor Akihito.

rob2008 12-03-2010 05:47 PM

I think Good Queen Beatrix should go on and on. The Prince of Orange and Maxima should be allowed to enjoy their family life - and in the meantime they should take on more official activities to take the pressure off HM. Good Queen Elizabeth must not and should not and cannot abdicate. She represents the best in the UK and British people appreciate very young and aged monarchs. It is preferable if Charles and Camilla stay out of the picture.

Charlotte_Aster 12-03-2010 05:50 PM

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Originally Posted by rob2008 (Post 1170135)
Good Queen Elizabeth must not and should not and cannot abdicate. She represents the best in the UK and British people appreciate very young and aged monarchs. It is preferable if Charles and Camilla stay out of the picture.

E2R already stated that she would continue to rule until she dies. Come to think of it no regent in the UK ever abdicating, except for the Duke of Windsor.
I think it's simply not in the cards for them.

MRSJ 12-06-2010 03:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Charlotte_Aster
E2R already stated that she would continue to rule until she dies. Come to think of it no regent in the UK ever abdicating, except for the Duke of Windsor.
I think it's simply not in the cards for them.

How about Charles I? Does that count? I believe he abdicated

Warren 12-06-2010 04:23 PM

:previous:
Charles I remained King of England, King of Scotland and King of Ireland until his execution.

Smart 12-21-2010 11:00 AM

Personally I think abdication should only be done under extreme circumstances. Royalty is a from birth to death occupation. Meaning that abdication denies the foundation of Royalty. (especially, if it is only because the monarch is old).

I would expect the "big" Monarchies to not have abdications - Q. Elizabeth II, K. Juan Carlos I, Q. Margrethe II, etc.

Emperor Roku XIV 10-16-2011 04:07 AM

Queen Elizabeth II has said that she will not abdicate I am pretty sure. Her health seems to be good so perhaps she will even break the 72 year record of Louis XIV for longest reigning European monarch.

Iluvbertie 10-16-2011 04:35 AM

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Originally Posted by Emperor Roku XIV (Post 1326736)
Queen Elizabeth II has said that she will not abdicate I am pretty sure. Her health seems to be good so perhaps she will even break the 72 year record of Louis XIV for longest reigning European monarch.


She didn't actually say that she wouldn't abdicate but rather that she would serve Britain and the Commonwealth for her entire life - so if the best way should could serve Britain was to abdicate then she would do so - but I do agree I can't see her ever abdicating. She regards her coronation oath as binding and also believes that she was chosen by God to be in this position - not in the Divine Right of Kings mind you but that she was God's chosen person to be the monarch at this time in history (I believe that God chose me to be a teacher by the way).

To surpass Louis she will have to live to 97.

Now a lot of people reach 85 in good health but go downhill rapidly in their early 90s - especially if they start to get any sort of health problems.

I notice that this week she cancelled an engagement due to a cold - not a big thing in itself but coming just before a 24 hour flight to Australia with the attendant air conditioning etc on those flights I do hope that she doesn't pick up some other bug.

NGalitzine 10-16-2011 02:07 PM

Even with ill health there would be no need for abdication, a regency could be put in place with QE2 still the reigning monarch and the POW as regent exercising the powers of the monarch.

Iluvbertie 10-25-2011 10:09 PM

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Originally Posted by NGalitzine (Post 1326848)
Even with ill health there would be no need for abdication, a regency could be put in place with QE2 still the reigning monarch and the POW as regent exercising the powers of the monarch.


A Regency can only be put in place if the monarch is mentally incapacitated or too young. It would take a medical decision to take away the powers from the Queen and Charles would then become Regent.

Mermaid1962 10-26-2011 10:48 PM

Yes, it's essentially an emergency provision, isn't it?

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Originally Posted by Iluvbertie (Post 1330162)
It would take a medical decision to take away the powers from the Queen and Charles would then become Regent.


Warren 10-27-2011 10:25 AM

Sigh. The attempt to hijack the thread into a "Charles should abdicate and take Camilla with him" argument has been removed.

Warren
Administrator

NGalitzine 10-27-2011 12:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Iluvbertie (Post 1330162)
A Regency can only be put in place if the monarch is mentally incapacitated or too young. It would take a medical decision to take away the powers from the Queen and Charles would then become Regent.

I agree, but wasn't the suggestion that her health no longer allowed her to fulfill the role. Otherwise it would just be a case of Charles and others taking on more and more of the monarchs public role and the Queen merely signing legislation as needed.
One of the elements of the British monarchy is its ability to make adaptations to work around situations when necessary.

CyrilVladisla 06-26-2016 10:28 PM

The farewell address of Queen Beatrix on the eve of her abdication
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VmIP0yLP7Vg


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