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karolinabraganza 04-24-2004 02:57 PM

Princess Mabel of Oranje-Nassau Jewellery
 
Her wedding day. Mabel Wisse Smit becomes Countess von Oranje-Nassu by marrying Prince Friso von Oranje-Nassau.

Her tiara and earrings:
http://www.polfoto.dk/Polfoto/Photo/Live/w...67062_guest.jpg

http://delivery.gettyimages.com/comp/34635...648D7D37886219C

CathyEarnshaw 04-24-2004 03:23 PM

If you read the official decree a few weeks ago, you will have learned that Mabel will be styled as HRH Princess Mabel of Oranje-Nassau. SHe does not become a princess in her own right (neither is Pss Laurentien), but is styled as such by tradition. Their children will be Counts and COuntesses of Oranje Nassau. Johan Friso is also now a Count of O-N, but he primary title is Prince of O=N, so his wife is Princess of O=N.

karolinabraganza 04-24-2004 05:33 PM

thank you for the clarification, but i honestly have to admit that they lost me. what is the difference now to constantine and laurentien?? i dont understand. thats not an issue to be discussed here, well, it wont hurt if we will be discussion the jewels of 'countess of oranje-nassau'... sorry to all who get offended by this.

CathyEarnshaw 04-24-2004 06:35 PM

Constantijn has dynastic rights. His brother does not. There is a difference.

Alisa 04-25-2004 12:35 PM

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thank you for the clarification, but i honestly have to admit that they lost me. what is the difference now to constantine and laurentien??
The fact that both Constantijn's and Friso's children will have the exact same titles makes no sense either....

Alexandria 04-25-2004 12:45 PM

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Originally posted by Alisa@Apr 25th, 2004 - 12:35 pm
The fact that both Constantijn's and Friso's children will have the exact same titles makes no sense either....
They will have the same titles (Counts and Countesses), but their rights are not the same. Eloise and Casimir are in line to the throne following Willem and Catharina and their father. But Johan and Mabel's children will not be in such a position. That is the difference.

Fireweaver 04-25-2004 02:03 PM

Ok, I've decided the dutch are extremely practical when it comes to jewellery.
The tiara mabel wore (as what's been discussed on the Royal Jewels of the World and Benelux mbs) is sort of the secondary tiara of the pretty sapphire and diamond tiara. Basically, when the parure was made, they had another base and extra diamonds made to go along with it. That second one is what Mabel wore.

Alexandria 04-25-2004 02:32 PM

Interesting info, Firewaver. Is this second tiara now "Mabels" tiara in the sense that if there is another occasion at which tiaras are to be worn, this is the tiara Mabel would wear as Laurentien would wear the laurel tiara she wore on her wedding day? (Maxima being in a slighltly elevated position than her sister-in-laws has more tiaras to choose from, I'm sure.)

Fireweaver 04-25-2004 02:35 PM

I would guess so. If it isn't, then something like the ears of wheat tiara would probably be used by her (mabel). I know Laurentein wore the ears of wheat one once, and the laurel leaf a few times.

Alisa 04-25-2004 03:45 PM

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They will have the same titles (Counts and Countesses), but their rights are not the same. Eloise and Casimir are in line to the throne following Willem and Catharina and their father. But Johan and Mabel's children will not be in such a position. That is the difference.
I know this. However there should have been a distinction regarding the titles of those who are in the line of succession and those who are not.

Alexandria 04-25-2004 03:55 PM

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Originally posted by Alisa@Apr 25th, 2004 - 3:45 pm
I know this. However there should have been a distinction regarding the titles of those who are in the line of succession and those who are not.
I think there is no distinction because Johan and Mabel's children will still be children born to a Dutch Prince, even though that Prince has lost his succession rights. And those children are also still the grandchildren of the reigning Queen.

Alisa 04-25-2004 04:22 PM

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I think there is no distinction because Johan and Mabel's children will still be children born to a Dutch Prince, even though that Prince has lost his succession rights. And those children are also still the grandchildren of the reigning Queen.
There is should be a distinction. When Princesses Irene and Christina married, they too like Prince Friso lost their rights to succession, but unlike Friso their children were not titled, even when they were the grandchildren of the reigning Queen.

Fireweaver 04-25-2004 05:46 PM

Does anyone have a good picture of Mabel's engagement ring, or any other jewellery she's worn? Thanks!

Alisa 04-25-2004 08:46 PM

Interesting earirngs

nice flower earrings from her engagement day (paste shortcut in the browser)

karolinabraganza 04-26-2004 05:15 AM

this is apparently her engagement ring
http://meta2.pictureexchange.net/image/lay...-27-04-1288.jpg
nice earrings
http://meta2.pictureexchange.net/image/lay...-27-04-1289.jpg

karolinabraganza 04-26-2004 05:18 AM

relatively good view of her huge diamond earrings and the beautiful tiara. by the way: i think of the three oranje girls, mabel has the most beautiful tiara. i wasnt such a big fan of the star tiara of maxima
http://194.68.33.51/fotoweb/bin/preview.dl...081456F68FE70F4

http://194.68.33.51/fotoweb/bin/preview.dl...081456F68FE70F4

http://194.68.33.51/fotoweb/bin/preview.dl...54D561E8E66C1F1

Fireweaver 04-26-2004 12:21 PM

ahh, I have to disagree with you on the star tiara vs. mabel's. But I do agree Mabel's was lovely. Thanks for the links!

Fashionista100 04-26-2004 04:17 PM

I too like Mabel's tiara, but I like Maxima's Star one better. But I would be willing to take either one!!

As far as their children having titles and the Princess's not when they lost dynastic rights is the royal title comes from the father not the mother. Children of female royals generally tend not to have titles as titles are passed through the male line only.

I still can't see an up close of mabels ring. Can someone describe it?

Bubbette 04-26-2004 04:44 PM

Gosh JF looks *so* not into this.

Fireweaver 04-26-2004 04:50 PM

I'll see if I can find a bigger picture of the ring.


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