Proposal for Equal Primogeniture Succession
First-born daughters of the Royal Family could be allowed to become Queen??? Under plans to be proposed by a back bench MP, any daughter of Prince William would be able to succeed her father as Queen on the basis of age. What do my friends think????:eek:http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/news...ome-Queen.html
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I think it is a great idea, the child should be allowed to rule regardless of gender. The last 50 years of QEII reign should be proof enough that gender doesnt matter. By the time she is here, there will be a bunch of either reigning Queens or Crowned Princesses, she definitely won't be alone.:flowers:
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I am all for it, especially the rule about not being able to marry a Catholic, but then the sovereign would have to lose the title Defender of the Faith.
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I am sceptical about introducing equal primogeniture in the United Kingdom. It's okay for countries like the Netherlands, where every monarch was the eldest child of the previous monarch anyway. In the United Kingdom, however, there is a 900 years long tradition that can't be broken so easily.
Another problem is succession to the peerage titles. It will be a lot harder to establish equal primogeniture in e.g. succession to the dukedom of Norfolk and other peerage titles which follow strict Salic law. The Duke of Norfolk is also the Premier Duke in the Peerage of England and that position was held only by males throughout history (indeed, when a woman inherits the highest title of a certain rank, the position of premier peer would go the male holder of the next highest title of the same rank). There is also a tradition that all daughters, regardless of age, have the equal succession rights to peerages created by writ. For 1000 years the youngest daughter has had as much righ to inherit a title created by writ as the eldest daughter. If equal primogeniture is introduced, this tradition would demise and there would no longer be abeyance since the eldest daughter would inherit the title. Besides, equal primogeniture would not mean the ultimate equality among the genders in the UK. There would still be inequalities, such as woman's right to enjoy her husband's title although a man has no right to enjoy his wife's title, or the fact that the sovereign's sons become princes and princesses automatically by birth, while children of the sovereign's daughters don't become princes and princesses unless a special letters patent are issued. Introducing equal primogeniture in the UK would cause such mess that, I'm afraid, monarchy and peerage could become pointless. |
I would not be too surprised to learn that the equal primogeniture is introduced in the UK. After all, it is not Japan ... and there is no IHA that does not give in to the demands of the public at large.
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I don't like the idea that it will be done retroactively. If Princess Anne was now to pass her brothers in the line of succession, you would have Peter and Zara Phillips in line ahead of 2 HRHs, a Viscount and a Lady grandchildren of the sovereign.
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That would have been an interesting development. However, I tend to think that Prince Charles would have fought for his right to succeed Her Majesty by employing all means available to him. Additionally the public at large might not have allowed to disinheret the sons of the late Diana, Princess of Wales.
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Actually, succession of Charles and William is secured, as Charles is both the eldest son and the eldest child of The Queen.
As I said (and I have to stress it again), a person must take into account succession to the peerage titles. If equal succession is adopted, Beatrice will become Duchess of York on her father's death and who wants that the tradition of conferring the title of Duke of York to second sons of the British sovereigns ends with Beatrice? There are numerous other examples too. |
Right you are.:flowers: I have had a senior moment ... :blush: The post has been changed to reflect the real state of affairs.
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They have been bashing this about for simply ages. I do think it would be a great idea, especially if it also relates in some way to the first born daughters throughout the peerage. It is a gross miscarriage that the eldest, who happens to be a daughter is denied the rank and estates of their father, when we are normally well equipped to do our duty!
I see no problem with the husband taking the womans name when she marries, as we have no problem now with a woman taking her husbands name. :flowers: |
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No problem here! I think if the family is so strong in support as to ask parliment's support, then it has been fairly thought through and vetted.
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Well it's about time they change the succession law in England! As it stands, they're discriminating against women when there's a woman on the throne! I hope it gets changed to where the gender of a person no longer matters and is not what their status is purely based on. It's not right. I'm all for the change. The British monarchy should have followed in the footsteps of their fellow monarchies in Belgium, Norway, Sweden, and the Netherlands a long time ago.
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[I see no problem with the husband taking the womans name when she marries, as we have no problem now with a woman taking her husbands name. :flowers:]
Reading your comment above, Skydragon, I am reminded of the fact that several professional women I know retained their maiden names when they got married and the husband of one of them actually changed his surname to his wife's family name on marriage! I believe that it is only a custom that a woman takes on her husband's name and not a legal requirement. |
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3. Andrew and Edward would retain their HRH, as William and Harrys' wives have children, the offspring of Anne, Andrew and Edward move further down the line anyway. Quote:
Nobody says that a husband would be entitled to take a place in the House of Lords (and that should be and Ladies)! |
I think changing the succession law is a good idea however I think it would work better if it was enacted for the future generation for example William and Harry's children.
To enact it for the current members would mean Anne skipping ahead of her brothers and their children dropping after all these years. I am actually not sure what this would mean for titles and security. Also if the law is passed would it work for all in the line of succession for example would Princess Ingrid Alexandra now come ahead of Prince Sverre Magnus? |
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"The Prince Anne" is priceless.... :rolleyes:
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"Prince Beatrice" will be better.
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