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Lee-Z 05-26-2015 03:42 PM

Apparently the renovation of Huis ten Bosch will cost 60 million euro instead of the originally budgetted 35 million.
Political parties request a debate with prime-minister Rutte to find out why the inctease in budget is that large and whether this could not have been foreseen in the first place.
'Verbouwing Huis ten Bosch valt tientallen miljoenen duurder uit' | NU - Het laatste nieuws het eerst op NU.nl

google translated

amaryllus 05-26-2015 03:43 PM

How do you pronounce this BTW?

An Ard Ri 05-26-2015 03:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Lee-Z (Post 1783091)
Apparently the renovation of Huis ten Bosch will cost 60 million euro instead of the originally budgetted 35 million.
Political parties request a debate with prime-minister Rutte to find out why the inctease in budget is that large nd whether this could not have been foreseen.
'Verbouwing Huis ten Bosch valt tientallen miljoenen duurder uit' | NU - Het laatste nieuws het eerst op NU.nl

E60 Million is a lot of money for the restoration of the Huis ten Bosch,is there any reason given as to why the costs have gone up?

Lee-Z 05-26-2015 03:58 PM

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Originally Posted by An Ard Ri (Post 1783094)
E60 Million is a lot of money for the restoration of the Huis ten Bosch,is there any reason given as to why the costs have gone up?

Not specifically, as i understand it the matter is yet to be discussed with "the powers that be"; the fact there is no specification of the costs is one of the things that political parties have a problem with (and think the prime minister should explain).
It is a big building which has had very little maintenance in the years that P.Beatrix lived there; there's asbestos to be removed, the electronic wiring needs updating and security needs to be improved...but this was already mentioned for the previous budget of 35m, so i dont' know if there was more that needed work..

Mbruno 05-26-2015 04:02 PM

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Originally Posted by amaryllus (Post 1783092)
How do you pronounce this BTW?

Google Translator has a pronunciation key which you can use after typing the words.

Duc_et_Pair 05-26-2015 05:36 PM

The amount is beyond belief, for sure when we take into account that the central part of the palace, the magnificent Oranjesael was already restored for many millions and is not included....


We have to wait if the rumours are true or not.

Marengo 05-26-2015 06:09 PM

Let's hope it is not. if so, it means that the government building service must have been sleeping, 45% extra costs is idiotic. Though the total sum for an old building isn't all that surprising. Let's hope that the budget for the parlement buildings -which will be mch higher- is accurate.

Marengo 06-19-2015 02:25 PM

The government has disclosed some more information about the works at Palace Huis ten Bosch:

- total costs will be 59 million Euros
- before the works start, the Orange-Hall will be open to the public for free
- doing the works in phases, as suggested earlier, would have costed 14 million Euros extra
- there is more asbestos than expected, the outside staircase and the chimneys are in a bad condition.
- the works will take 40 months and will be finished by the end of 2018.
- the prime minister admits that this has to be better arranged in the future
- the opposition party D66 argues that the costs make the king vulnerable for criticism.

Huis ten Bosch voor 59 miljoen opgeknapt|Binnenland| Telegraaf.nl

An Ard Ri 06-19-2015 03:18 PM

E59 million and 2018 finish date,lets hope they don't uncover any more asbestos!

eya 06-19-2015 03:40 PM

What to tell me being a poor and bankrupt country for the greatness and richness of another country . I'm speechless :notworthy:

lucien 06-20-2015 07:06 AM

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Originally Posted by amaryllus (Post 1783092)
How do you pronounce this BTW?

Syllable after syllable...and then you have the Dutch equivalent for Valued Added Tax....:smile:

Duc_et_Pair 06-20-2015 07:20 AM

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Originally Posted by Marengo (Post 1793980)
The government has disclosed some more information about the works at Palace Huis ten Bosch:

[...]

- the opposition party D66 argues that the costs make the king vulnerable for criticism.

[...]

I understood it were not the costs (the King can do nothing about that, as it is the State istelf which decides about the housing of the head of state) but the decision of the Government to do nothing about the (lack of) Income Tax of the King. The King receives an annual allowance which is netto. The Government rejected the idea in making it bruto and taxate it. Some parties however say that this would then become in line with all Dutchmen: "All Dutchmen pay Income Tax, also the King".

The Prime Minister argued that the income of the King is vested in the Constitution and that it should require a lengthy and difficult revision of the Constitution and "we have other priorities". The Prime Minister also stated that then -for an example- the living in palaces like Huis ten Bosch, the use of royal cars should become taxable because it is "payment in natura" but at the other side the King is King 24 hours a day, and what is work, what is private, when it comes to the use of palaces or transportation? It seems the Government has asked fiscalists on the matter and it was not so simple as it looks like. The most simple situation is indeed just giving a netto allowance, the use of royal residences and the use of transportation as agreed in various Acts and Decrees.

But... taking in account that Huis ten Bosch palace has been restored in the late 1970's and early 1980's, that the Oranjesael has been extensively restored a few years ago (for staggering amounts as well) and that then rest of the relatively small palace requires so much money is beyond belief. But again: it is not the King but the State which decides in this matter.

eya 06-20-2015 07:44 AM

Bravo to the Dutch State. They take care for the Palaces and their King. Besides they are new Kings and they must live in the new Palace.

Duc_et_Pair 06-20-2015 08:11 AM

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Originally Posted by eya (Post 1794264)
Bravo to the Dutch State. They take care for the Palaces and their King. Besides they are new Kings and they must live in the new Palace.

The Constitution requires that the King is given an income and also given royal residence(s). In furtherer legislation is worked out who belongs to the Royal House (Royal House Act 2002), which members of the Royal House receive an annual income (Act on the Financial Statute of the Royal House 2008) and three palaces were specifically given a royal destination (Royal Decree concerning the appointment of palaces to be given at the disposal of the King, 1980).

But... would the Goverment have said: "We think Huis ten Bosch Palace is more than splendid enough. It is a worthy and dignified house for His Majesty", then the King will have accepted it. To me, just an onlooker, Huis ten Bosch looks in good state to me. Far better than the Royal Palace in Brussels (Belgium) or Buckingham Palace. I have the idea that the State Housing Agency applies the highest possible standards for this (A-listed) monument. That is nice but I have the idea all Dutch are bewildered by the astonishing costs of it all.

:ermm::ohmy:

Ilse 06-20-2015 08:17 AM

I wonder why the don't pay any rent.

Duc_et_Pair 06-20-2015 08:20 AM

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Originally Posted by eya (Post 1794264)
Bravo to the Dutch State. They take care for the Palaces and their King. Besides they are new Kings and they must live in the new Palace.

Compared with the Royal Palace in Brussels, which I visited last year, or Buckingham Palace, which I visited a couple of years ago, the Dutch palaces seem in splendid condition. The Royal Palace in Amsterdam, Noordeinde Palace in The Hague, Huis ten Bosch Palace in The Hague, Het Loo Palace in Apeldoorn (mainly a museal destination but sometimes used by the royal family), Princess Beatrix' pied-à-terre at Noordeinde 66, the Royal Mews in The Hague and in Apeldoorn, Het Oude Loo castle in Apeldoorn, really it all looks in splendid state. Only Soestdijk Palace really is visibly worn out and needs a good restoration.

I think that all Dutch are simply bewildered by the astonishing costs. I think that all Dutch will agree that the head of state should have a worthy and dignified residence at his/her disposal but that a building like Huis ten Bosch, which seems quite in good condition, comes with that prize tag....

:ohmy:

Duc_et_Pair 06-20-2015 08:23 AM

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Originally Posted by Ilse (Post 1794271)
I wonder why the don't pay any rent.

In the Constitution is stated that the State gives a residence to the King. Most likely this was a "compensation" for the confiscation of the Orange-Nassau properties by the same State before the French occupation.

When the Constitution says that the State gives a residence at your disposal, then it is not logic to say: "You have to pay rent". And it is also the same pocket A - pocket B discussion. "We give you an income and housing. And oh yes, from that income , via an U-turn, we will take income back". Keeping it netto seems the most transparent.

Marengo 06-20-2015 09:52 AM

The prime minister doesn't pay rent for the Catshuis. foreign presidents do not pay nything for their palaces either. They use it for their function after all, as does the king. And I am sure that the Dutch public does not want their head-of-state living in a new two-under-one-roof house in Capelle a/d IJssel.

I do not mind the costs as long as the money is not spent on private wishes of the king and his family.

Duc_et_Pair 06-20-2015 10:22 AM

The problem with rent is also that the King is enforced to live at this place, heavily guarded. So he does not have the choice: "I want to live in Capelle aan den IJssel" because he still has to function as the head of state.

And indeed, Joachim Gauck pays no rent for Schloss Bellevue or Villa Hammerschmidt. François Hollande pays no rent for the Palais de l'Élysée, the l'Hôtel de Matigny, the Palais de l'Alma (where he organizes his rendez-vous with his maîtresses), the Fort de Brégançon at the Riviera or the hunting pavillion (Pavillion de la Lanterne) at the Domain de Versailles (which functioned as the love nest for Nicolas Sarkozy and his maîtresse, now his present spouse)....

eya 06-20-2015 10:42 AM

The french people play ball alone. They have a little house for the president to stay , another little house for the rendez-vous of the president and another little Fort at the riviera for the vacation. Im speechless again.


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