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colynsmomma 10-06-2008 06:55 PM

Princess Victoria ("Toria"), daughter of Edward VII & Queen Alexandra (1868-1935)
 
Does anyone have an information on Princess Victoria. All I know so far is that she did not marry due to Queen Alexandra. I have read wikipedia but that does not say much. :unsure:

Elspeth 10-06-2008 08:03 PM

There's a very sympathetic description of her in the book The Marlborough House Set. Queen Alexandra tried to keep all three of her daughters at home, unmarried, and childish, but two of them managed to escape. It sounds as though Victoria's brother George (later George V) and Queen Victoria were very unhappy about Princess Victoria's situation, but Alexandra wasn't interested in listening to anything that interfered with what she wanted. She had an abiding hatred of Germans, so she refused to let any of her daughters marry German princes or grand dukes, which made another good excuse to not look very hard for husbands for them.

Apparently Lord Rosebery showed an interest in marrying Victoria; the book says that this was around the time he became Prime Minister in 1895 (Victoria would have been about 27). Victoria was apparently the most intelligent of Edward VII's children, so life as a political wife in the late 19th century, when this would have gone along with being a major centre of society, might have suited her. But apparently Queen Victoria and the Prince of Wales didn't manage to persuade Alexandra, and nothing came of it. So Victoria spent her life dancing attendance on her mother, and she only outlived her by 10 years. Descriptions of her in later life say that she was very sharp-tongued and sour, as well as being a hypochondriac and not being in good health, but apparently she was quite lively but rather shy as a young woman.

Russophile 10-06-2008 08:16 PM

E, did you think that QA kept them (Pss Victoria) around due to her hearing loss?

colynsmomma 10-06-2008 09:33 PM

Do you know where there is good pictures of her. It seems that you only see Maud.

Elspeth 10-06-2008 10:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Russophile (Post 833201)
E, did you think that QA kept them (Pss Victoria) around due to her hearing loss?

Well, possibly, but it sounds as though she was just basically selfish and rather lacking in empathy. Her husband was off with his mistresses, and she didn't seem to be the sort of woman who could fill her own time with reading or projects like Queen Mary, so she needed to have people around her to keep her entertained. I'm sure the hearing loss didn't help, but I doubt that was the whole story.

Elspeth 10-06-2008 10:27 PM

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Originally Posted by colynsmomma (Post 833214)
Do you know where there is good pictures of her. It seems that you only see Maud.

There's a photo of her as bridesmaid at her brother's wedding in post 3 of this thread:

http://www.theroyalforums.com/forums...3-a-16660.html

Here are some others:

Princess Victoria of Wales

Victoria of Wales 2 pictures from fashion photos on webshots

Victoria of Wales 3 pictures from fashion photos on webshots

Princess Victoria and friend pictures from fashion photos on webshots

CarolinaLandgrave 11-18-2008 07:51 PM

Werent she and George V rather close? I remember reading somewhere that they talked on the phone (if not in person) every day. And they died relatively close together, too -right??

Warren 11-19-2008 07:07 AM

Princess Victoria died 3 December 1935 and King George V died 20 January 1936.
Yes, they were very close.

CarolinaLandgrave 11-19-2008 09:45 AM

Thank you, Warren. I thought I had remembered seeing that somewhere.

cmkrcwi 11-19-2008 06:41 PM

I read a funny story once that Princess Victoria often called her brother on the telephone and that she liked to greet him with a "Hello, you old fool". Once the operator had to tell her "Beg pardon, Your Royal Highness, but His Majesty is not yet on the line."

CarolinaLandgrave 11-19-2008 06:53 PM

Thats great. I love it.........
I am sure Queen Mary didnt approve of that kinda talk towards the King, even from his sister..... but I bet old King Edward VII got a good chuckle from the grave...

Camilo2002 01-18-2009 04:34 PM

Queen Alexandra was following Queen Victoria's behavoir. I always thought it was very sellfish to "condemn" princesses to become old maids just to be with their mothers, especially considering that the mothers were expected to predecease their daughters by far. However, this practice has been part of history until recent times.

Queen Victoria wanted 3 of her daughters to remain single and was almost forced by the circumstances to marry princesses Helen and Louise; however, QV was determined not to allow princess Beatrix to marry; there was a great conflict when she announced her will to marry prince Henry of Battenberg and the Queen refused to give permission. After 8 months of psychological war, the Queen eventually agreed to let her daughter marry, on condition that Beatrix and her family would live with her forever. After 10 years Beatrix's husband was so bored to live with his strict mother in law that he asked to be sent to expeditions in Africa, where he died from malaria right away.

Empress Maria Theresa of Austria, whose daughters were indeed very beautiful princesses, would not allow them to marry unless for dynastic reasons, meaning that those who did not find royal husbands (minor princes were not even considered) had to become nuns (Archduchesses Maria Anna and Maria Elizabeth). Maria Theresa only allowed her favourite child, Archduchess Maria Christina, to marry for love with Albert, Prince of Saxony. Archduchess Maria Amalia, who was forced to marry the Duke of Parma (grandson of the Kings of France and Spain) instead of his love Prince Charles of Zweibrucken, decided not to contact her mother ever again. Prince Charles became an enemy of Maria Theresa and fought against Austria in the war on the Bavarian Succession.

More recently, Emperor Franz Josef of Austria and his son Crown Prince Rudolph wanted to force Archduchess Maria Valeria to marry either the King of Portugal or the Grand Duke of Tuscany; however, Empress Sissi came to the rescue of her favourite child; after a tremendous rift Sissi prevailed and Maria Valeria was allowed to marry for love with Archduke Franz Salvator of Austria, who was considered a minor prince and not a good match for an Imperial Archduchess.

EmpressRouge 01-18-2009 06:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Camilo2002 (Post 881403)
Queen Alexandra was following Queen Victoria's behavoir. I always thought it was very sellfish to "condemn" princesses to become old maids just to be with their mothers, especially considering that the mothers were expected to predecease their daughters by far. However, this practice has been part of history until recent times.

Reminds me a lot of the Mexican novel (later movie) "Like Water for Chocolate" where main character Tita cannot marry because she is the youngest daughter and expected to be a companion to her mother. Her love, Pedro thus marries Tita's older sister to get close to her. Tita questions the logic of having the youngest not marry because she is likely to have most years left to live after a mother's death.

Camilo2002 01-18-2009 09:30 PM

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Originally Posted by EmpressRouge (Post 881454)
Reminds me a lot of the Mexican novel (later movie) "Like Water for Chocolate" where main character Tita cannot marry because she is the youngest daughter and expected to be a companion to her mother. Her love, Pedro thus marries Tita's older sister to get close to her. Tita questions the logic of having the youngest not marry because she is likely to have most years left to live after a mother's death.

Yessss! that was a wonderful movie I did watch it 3 times. The movie reflects how hard it was for women just a few decades ago. I am sorry for Toria, she could have been happy or at least know about love, sex, motherhood, etc. rather than being her mother's nurse.

PssMarie-Elisabeth 01-21-2009 11:53 AM

Princess Victoria of Wales: Queen Alexandra's "look-alike"
 
Princess Toria c.1918
http://i40.tinypic.com/e875oh.jpg

CarolinaLandgrave 01-21-2009 05:59 PM

My word she looks like her mama - Jeez!!

PssMarie-Elisabeth 01-21-2009 06:45 PM

She definitely was her mother's 'twin' ;)

* Princess Maud, later Queen of Norway, had her father's nose as well as facial features (i.e., large prominent eyes)*

CarolinaLandgrave 01-21-2009 07:04 PM

Yes m'am, I agree.
Those eyes definitely mark her as a Hanover cum Saxe-Coburg-Gotha

PssMarie-Elisabeth 01-21-2009 07:29 PM

:flowers: I was going to write 'Hanoverian eyes' along the same lines...

http://i40.tinypic.com/2rf54t2.jpg

Roderick 01-25-2009 02:39 PM

This is a personal opinion but I find the `Hanoverian eyes` to have been inherited by Albert Victor, Louise and Victoria in this family. I do not see them in George or Maud. I also think that the three daughters look more like Edward though sometimes I can detect a resemblance to Alexandra in certain photographs too!


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