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maria-olivia 10-04-2008 06:35 PM

The very last Orleans auction will take place at Christies -Paris on October 14th. 483 Items belonging to the late "Madame le Comtesse de Paris "will be sold by her Children hoping that Museums of France or one of the Comtesse heir's will buy them

Madame had 11 children
Isabelle, Henri Count of Paris, Hélène , François (+)
Anne , Diane ,Jacques Duc d' Orleans , Michel Count d'Evreux
Claude, Chantal, Thibault Count de la Marche (+)
She lost two of her sons

The famous painting representing SAR Madame la Comtesse de Paris by Vidal-Quadras in 1956 will be sold also.
At this Christie's Auction the last item will be a pocket-handkerchief belonging to Queen Marie-Antoinette when she was a Prisoner at the Temple (1793) .
They hope to have 12.000 -15.000 euros. How sad..

maria-olivia 10-09-2008 11:21 AM

I am sad that the Royal Forums have no interest at all about the French Royals of the Past.
Next week all what belonged to the Late Count et Countess of Paris , as well historical souvenirs belonging to Queen Marie-Antoinette will be sold by the Princes and Princesses of France at Christie's Paris on 14th Oktober at 11 am and 2 pm.
An exhibition will take place this coming Week-end.

HRH Kerry 10-10-2008 07:28 AM

No interest?
 
maria-olivia,
Please give our members a chance to manuever around TRF to view your posts in this thread. It could be that this thread could generate more posts once the auction gets underway. Some might want to do a little research on the countess before contributing here.
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Originally Posted by maria-olivia (Post 834653)
I am sad that the Royal Forums have no interest at all about the French Royals of the Past...

To say that is really moot since much of this sub-forum wouldn't exist. Just hang in there.:flowers:

Menarue 10-10-2008 08:20 AM

I remember the French royal family here in Portugal well. I had never seen so many beautiful little fair-haired children before, they were a "sight for sore eyes".
I am very much saddened by the selling off of this last piece of history. I think I remarked on this on another thread so it has been talked about before although I can´t remember where.
I just hope that these historical souvenirs won´t be scattered all over the world in private collections and that they will be purchased by French museums so that they can be seen by the public in France where they belong.

HRH Kerry 10-10-2008 10:58 AM

Are the current descendants improvished?

Menarue 10-10-2008 11:15 AM

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Originally Posted by HRH Kerry (Post 835400)
Are the current descendants improvished?

From the sound of it they must be, why would they sell these things if they weren´t? Perhaps they have some crippling tax to pay, I only know I would be very reluctant to part with this kind of family inheritance.
There are so many children perhaps they can´t come to an agreement.
Let us just hope that these objects fall into the right hands. :flowers:

HRH Kerry 10-10-2008 11:48 AM

Yes, but what is the likelihood of it being seen again? The Princely Family of Liechtenstein auctioned off a lot of heirlooms as well but they were pretty much cleaning house. Soveriegn Prince Hans Adam's family had been collecting for over 400 years. The bulk went mostly to private collectors.

Menarue 10-10-2008 11:53 AM

Not much hope, but there is one good thing we now know these objects exist, I had no idea about Marie Antoinette´s letter and it was nice to see the little portrait of the young Louis VIII.
I believe the French Crown jewels were sold off too, at least the ones that belonged to the Comtesse de Paris.

maria-olivia 10-10-2008 12:22 PM

Thanks to Kerry and Menarue for your interest.
The sad thing is that they will sold souvenirs from Queen Marie Antoinette when she was Prisoner at the Temple .. The Heirs should give these or to "La Conciergerie" in Paris or to Versailles 's Castle..
The Heirs are 10 Princes and Princesses of France.
The young Louis is Louis XVII (17).

Menarue 10-10-2008 12:33 PM

I read as much of the letter as I could in Point de Vue and it was very touching. Also the little dedication to his sister by Louis. These are French treasures and as such should stay in France, but when are we listened to?

pamk 10-10-2008 12:36 PM

As I recall, the late Comte de Paris (the present Comte's father) really wasted money.
When he died, there was little left and his children were really upset.

Menarue 10-10-2008 12:42 PM

Yes, I remember this, and they were upset about where the money was supposed to have gone.
Not long ago I read an account by a nephew of the Comtes de Paris and I was quite surprised by it, it said that when the children went to bed at night the one parent who always took the time to go and kiss them goodnight was the ......Comte.
Old age sometimes changes people. I had always thought of him as more distant but
whatever he was like, it is a shame that these things are being sold.

Warren 10-10-2008 12:45 PM

There was a vast fortune including many properties which were dissipated. I remember that Point de Vue had quite a series of articles on the Comte's former assets. What happened to them has never been satisfactorily explained. The conclusion was that the late Comte was a very bitter man who had decided in his later years to leave his family nothing, or as little as possible. He was successful in his wish. The former extensive patrimony of the Orléans dynasty has largely disappeared.

pamk 10-10-2008 01:04 PM

Please go to the Christies Paris website --- there you can see all of the items up for auction - all 16 pages!
Most of the items are pretty unspectacular - someone in the family liked to collect canes (walking sticks) and wax sealers (those things used with sealing wax.)
Lots of small pieces of furniture (tables, chairs, carpets, etc.)
Most of the jewelry being auctioned incorporates miniature portraits of ancestors --- I wouldn't be fond of wearing jewelry like that.
So, I can understand why the auction is being held - as the saying goes: "One man's junk is another man's treasure."
The good stuff is not being sold.

As a side note: In the later years, the Comte and Comtesse were estranged and maintained separate households.
This split also divided the adult children - some sided with their father and some with their mother.
How very sad - I hope that they all bury the hatchet one day and unite as one family again. (If they have not done so already.)

Menarue 10-10-2008 01:30 PM

I realise that most of the objects being sold are not very interesting but the Marie Antoinette letter and the portrait are, and these two at least should be kept in France, but I suppose (sigh) that these will bring the most money so will definitely be sold.

Carminha Stalker 10-10-2008 01:37 PM

I still remember the shock it was to read after the Comte de Paris´s death, how he had squandered and dissipated his family´s fortune. He seemed to be a very bitter man, especially in his last years.

Stefan 10-10-2008 01:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Warren (Post 835477)
There was a vast fortune including many properties which were dissipated. I remember that Point de Vue had quite a series of articles on the Comte's former assets. What happened to them has never been satisfactorily explained. The conclusion was that the late Comte was a very bitter man who had decided in his later years to leave his family nothing, or as little as possible. He was successful in his wish. The former extensive patrimony of the Orléans dynasty has largely disappeared.

Also a number of Jewels including 2 sapphire parures one of them had belonged to Queen Marie Amelie where sold in the 1990's. They are now in the Louvre.

Menarue 10-10-2008 02:25 PM

Well that is good news, the best place for them.

HRH Kerry 10-10-2008 07:20 PM

Without a doubt my favorite piece from the auction.

latin 10-11-2008 04:33 PM

Where is Queen Marie-Antoniette to see how her things are sold by the heirs of Philippe Egalite'?


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