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Porknight 08-24-2008 10:36 PM

Monarch as God?; Royals and the occult
 
I know sound a silly question , but I was having an argument with somebody , and he was thinking that monarchies are believed to be god , or be worshipped as gods. Then he stated that some British think that she is some kind of god . As I know according to a survey (don't remember the source) that most of the British claim to believe more in ghosts than God .

Can I have some explanation please?

Please remember that this is not a joke please be honest and if you are a british write honestly what do you think about the Queen.

Elspeth 08-24-2008 10:47 PM

I think she's Head of State, and Supreme Governor of the Church of England. I don't believe in gods.

There are some Pacific Islanders who worship Prince Philip as a god, but I don't think the British royals have ever been accorded that status in Britain. Your friend isn't thinking of the Japanese emperor by any chance, is he?

wbenson 08-24-2008 11:12 PM

I think that at one point (I don't know how long ago), it was believed that the monarch was a descendant of god or a direct representative of god. The only reference I can find so far to that is this (PDF) copy of an Australian Parliament committee, though.

Quote:

As with all human cultures, the apical ancestor may be real or legendary, to use a
lay term. For instance, British royalty had at one time its constitution in divinity and it
was believed that the king, or the queen, was the divine representative on earth. That is
why the monarch is the representative of the Church of England, because of the doctrine
of the monarch as divinity.
In a similar way, most human cultures have a belief system about ancestry. These
days with DNA and RNA testing, some of this can be affirmed or denied, but much of it
still is not amenable to scientific inquiry. Belief systems are belief systems and as we
know with racism, generally false propositions which operate on an illogic are not
amenable to facts. So in the same way belief systems are simply belief systems and there
is no point in taking blood tests and doing DNA tests because it is not relevant to the
exercise. One would not do a DNA test on the queen to see if she were, in fact, a
descendant of God.

Odette 08-24-2008 11:32 PM

WoW!!!!!!!! The things I have learnt on these boards!! I would have never guessed anyone has ever considered the royals (outside of pre war Japan) as descendants of the gods.

Elspeth 08-24-2008 11:41 PM

Well, the Divine Right of Kings did hold (as far as I know) that the monarch was appointed by God or approved by God or something; I think that's why Charles I refused to recognise the legal system set up to try him for treason. But I wasn't aware that any English or British monarchs, at least during the time of recorded history, were accorded divine status themselves.

Porknight 08-25-2008 01:06 AM

But do you think that she is a goddess , and do you worship her as a goddess. Do you vowed upon her like the Christians vowed their heads on prayers and the Catholics vowed their heads before doing the sign of cross when they pass the altars ?

Or this is just a sign of respect ?

Winnie 08-25-2008 01:09 AM

I do believe that the Pharaohs of Egypt thought they were direct from God [if my Sunday School classes are remembered correctly] but I never heard of anyone in modern days. I think he is confusing the fact that Queen Elizabeth II is the Head of the Church of England, not that she is part God.

Iluvbertie 08-25-2008 01:11 AM

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Originally Posted by Porknight (Post 815531)
But do you think that she is a goddess , and do you worship her as god ?


Simple answer No and I don't know anyone who would ever have done so, outside of maybe a small island or two. There is a tribe that worships Philip as a god but not any that I know of that worships the Queen and certainly not in Britain itself.

wbenson 08-25-2008 02:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Porknight (Post 815531)
Or this is just a sign of respect ?

It's just a sign of respect.

Skydragon 08-25-2008 05:41 PM

I can only claim to speak for myself and no, I do not consider HM to be a god. I don't think anyone I know in England, Scotland, Wales or Northern Ireland does either. :flowers:

Bella 08-26-2008 10:07 AM

Ha! A god??? No human is anyhow "related" to or descended from God. Throughout history certain earthlings have been fortunate enough to have been born into a family/dynasty that had overtaken other earthlings and therefore allowed them a lofty position in their own little earthling world. They may have abused their power to twist reality into creating the joke that they were Divine (the Egyptians, Romans, Russians, etc.) but no, no human should ever be worshipped as a god. And I doubt any sane person alive today would even consider QEII a god, please . . .

Lilla 08-26-2008 10:26 AM

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Originally Posted by Bella (Post 815957)
And I doubt any sane person alive today would even consider QEII a god, please . . .

I doubt that to.

But considering a royal as god isn't unknown today. The Rastafari is a rather new religious movement that accepts Haile Selassie I, the former Emperor of Ethiopia as God.

Rastafari movement - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Royal Fan 08-26-2008 12:47 PM

No I Do not im a Christian The Queen is a great lady though I Dont think the Queen would want anyone to do that. Thiland or Japan Maybe just my 2 cents

Mermaid1962 08-26-2008 01:48 PM

I don't think that British kings and queens were ever considered to be divine. At the most, they were seen to be God's servants and appointed by him to lead--hence the "Divine Right of Kings." I think that HM would be horrified at the idea that someone would consider worshipping her.

Russophile 08-26-2008 08:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Porknight (Post 815531)
But do you think that she is a goddess , and do you worship her as a goddess. Do you vowed upon her like the Christians vowed their heads on prayers and the Catholics vowed their heads before doing the sign of cross when they pass the altars ?

Or this is just a sign of respect ?

I don't think anybody in the UK worships HM as a God.
Though in history, the Romanovs were thought to have been anointed by God as if they were Gods.

Al_bina 08-26-2008 08:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Royal Fan (Post 816012)
No I Do not im a Christian The Queen is a great lady though I Dont think the Queen would want anyone to do that. Thiland or Japan Maybe just my 2 cents[my bolding]

Japanese Emperors used to have the Godlike status. Given the external circumstances, they were forced to give up their divinity after the World War II.
The Japanese Emperor: man god?
Furthermore, I do not think that any English King or Queen ever had the Godlike status. They were/are just the heads of Church of England.

Bella 08-27-2008 09:33 AM

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Originally Posted by Al_bina (Post 816108)
Japanese Emperors used to have the Godlike status. Given the external circumstances, they were forced to give up their divinity after the World War II.
The Japanese Emperor: man god?
Furthermore, I do not think that any English King or Queen ever had the Godlike status. They were/are just the heads of Church of England.

And before that they bowed to The Pope.

Australian 08-27-2008 10:22 AM

I can't remember where i read it but i dont think its true, apparentley the French royal family are decendants of Jesus. They are meant to be part of not only a royal bloodline but a holy bloodline.....personally i think its rubbish but i cant remember for the life of me where i read it. Will try and find it.

Lilla 08-27-2008 10:30 AM

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Originally Posted by Australian (Post 816227)
I can't remember where i read it but i dont think its true, apparentley the French royal family are decendants of Jesus. They are meant to be part of not only a royal bloodline but a holy bloodline.....personally i think its rubbish but i cant remember for the life of me where i read it. Will try and find it.

I am not sure - but I think this was a theory put forward in the fictional novel by Dan Brown: "Da Vinci Code".

Mermaid1962 08-27-2008 12:56 PM

It's an old conspiracy theory that gets recycled from time to time. "The Da Vinci Code" is it's latest outing. It's possible to find Royal genealogies on the internet that go back to ancient times, and there are no divine figures in them.

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Originally Posted by Lilla (Post 816230)
I am not sure - but I think this was a theory put forward in the fictional novel by Dan Brown: "Da Vinci Code".



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