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crisiñaki 05-25-2007 11:01 PM

Beatification or Sanctification for King Baudouin?
 
Will there be a beautificatio of king Baudouin?

I read about it in several blogs but I'm aware those aren't the most reliable of sources, have anyone heard about it?

I would like to know the truth about those statements;)

Vanesa 05-26-2007 12:20 AM

I always admired King Baudouin as a real Catholic Monarch. He was always very attached to his belief and principles...But I don't know if we could speak about a canonization...I don't know much about his private life to state my opinion on this.

I wish that someone who has studied his life more thoroughly could said something interesting in this thread.

Vanesa.

lucien 05-26-2007 01:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by crisiñaki
I read about it in several blogs but I'm aware those aren't the most reliable of sources, have anyone heard about it?

I would like to know the truth about those statements;)

The answer is no.Allthough the late King was an admirable man and devout catholic,there are no plans for beatification.Maybe some overzealous person sugested it,but it's not in the making.
:smile:

crisiñaki 05-26-2007 02:02 PM

Thank you for your answer Lucien!:flowers:
I thought to ask here 'cuz if I were to find the answer it would be here:biggrin:

BeatrixFan 05-26-2007 02:42 PM

Quote:

The answer is no.Allthough the late King was an admirable man and devout catholic,there are no plans for beatification.Maybe some overzealous person sugested it,but it's not in the making.
We can't actually give a straight yes or no answer. The case for Sainthood may well have been put forward to the Vatican but hasn't been made public. Officially the case hasn't been opened for canonisation but it's entirely possible that some preliminary hearing has taken place, whilst it's also possible that it hasn't even been considered. John Paul II was quite good friends with His late Majesty and Queen Fabiola so there may have been some request to instigate sainthood on his part. If not, we just wait for a Belgian Pope!

Marengo 07-29-2008 02:22 AM

HLN has an article on king Baudouins sanctification. the general mesage: it won't happen any time soon. At the moment the process is still in the research stage, it can all take 50 to 100 years to accomplish.

Article in Dutch here.

Odette 07-29-2008 05:43 PM

Since I am not a Roman Catholic, I have no idea what it takes to sanctify someone. I was under the impression a miracle had to occur for that person to be considered.
Can someone explain the process?

PrinceOfCanada 07-29-2008 06:31 PM

Try here, Odette: Canonization - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Empress 07-29-2008 06:36 PM

In the most basic terms, in order for someone to be canonized, they must have a miracle accredited to them.

Odette 07-29-2008 06:51 PM

Thank you POC and Empress. Quite interesting. Wonder how this develops.

PrinceOfCanada 07-29-2008 06:53 PM

I'd be willing to bet that it won't. Fewer and fewer people are sanctified/beatified/canonized by the Church these days. Mother Teresa is still in the early stages, and (despite her flaws) I think it would be difficult to argue that King Beaudoin would be more deserving..

Empress 07-29-2008 06:55 PM

You think that King Badouin would be more deserving than Mother Theresa? Might I ask what you base that opinion on?

Maxie 07-29-2008 07:08 PM

Well, maybe King Baudouin will be beatified, but I doubt that. I mean, he was a very pious person and that might be the reason for him being beatified. But as far as I know he didn't work any miracles, something that's needed to be beatified. For him become sanctified he needs even more than one miracle.

But the good news for all the people who believe that Baudouin should be beatified: IIRC, those miracles can also take place after one's death. The process of beatification takes years, however. So I would be very suprised to see King Baudouin being beatified somewhere soon, let alone him becoming a saint. :rolleyes:

pupo 07-29-2008 07:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Empress (Post 805125)
You think that King Badouin would be more deserving than Mother Theresa? Might I ask what you base that opinion on?

For starters, this:

"
MT was not a friend of the poor. She was a friend of poverty. She said suffering was a gift from God. She spent her life opposing the only known cure for poverty, which is the empowerment of women and the emancipation of them from a livestock version of compulsory reproduction.

. . . .

The primitive hospice in Calcutta was as run down when she died as it always had been - she preferred California clinics when she got sick herself - and her order always refused to publish any audit. But we have her own claim that she opened 500 convents in more than 100 countries, all bearing the name of her own order. Excuse me, but this is modesty and humility?
. . . .
Many volunteers who went to Calcutta came back abruptly disillusioned by the stern ideology and poverty-loving practice of the "Missionaries of Charity", but they had no audience for their story. "

The fanatic, fraudulent Mother Teresa. - By Christopher Hitchens - Slate Magazine

Empress 07-29-2008 07:23 PM

Slate magazine is hardly a reliable or serious publication.

All people, when they have notoriety, have people who will speak out against them. However Mother Theresa has more people who will speak in her favor than not.

Furthermore, there are many religious orders that take vows of poverty. I see nothing wrong with that.

And I've never heard that Mother Theresa was against womens rights.

pupo 07-29-2008 07:29 PM

Washingtonpost.Newsweek Interactive: Media Center: Slate Magazine Launches "Slate V"

Slate magazine is award winning and very well respected, and Christopher Hitchens who wrote that particular piece is an award winning journalist, so I'm not quite sure where you got your information from--care to post it?

I can't say anything other than I feel sorry for you if you don't see anything wrong with poverty, especially given the billions of dollars glamorized on this board alone by people who supposedly work to alleviate it. Just because Mother Teresa may be popular doesn't make her a saint--sometimes one has to be very brave to speak the truth and go against the popular sentiment.

Mother Teresa was no saint and certainly performed no miracles. Now to get this back on track, what else did Baudoin do that might qualify him as such?

Empress 07-29-2008 07:39 PM

I work in the communications industry, and I hardly find, as do most of my colleagues, Slate to be a reliable publication when it comes to quite a few topics, most notably politics and religion.

None the less, Christopher Hitchins is relatively known, however he tends to take a decidedly radical angle to his stories, and coupled with the fact that he is one of the very few with anything negative to say about Mother Theresa, his stories must be taken with a grain of salt.

I never said that I found nothing wrong with poverty, please do not twist my words. What I said was that I found nothing wrong with religious orders taking vows of poverty, which means that the order itself does not hold on to any worldly means apart from what is absolutely necessary to survive, and anything else is given to the charities or good works that those orders do.

I never said that Mother Theresa was or should be a saint. However I do find that if one has to choose between Badouin and Mother Theresa, then Mother Theresa is more deserving than Badouin.

Just because the Washington Post duplicates a press release put out by Slate magazine itself, does not mean that the Washington Post is in any way giving accolades to the publication itself. However, since Slate is owned by the same company that owns the Washington Post, it's highly unlikely that they would publish anything unfavorable.

pupo 07-29-2008 07:43 PM

right re the post, but googling slate and awards was what I meant to post. I am just a plain old US citizen, and I don't agree with 99% of what slate writes, but I don't think it's not reliable.

Re poverty, it's one thing if for some reason you keep it upon yourself; it's another to inflict it upon your so-called wards--which appears to be what M Teresa did to those poor kids.

Empress 07-29-2008 07:44 PM

I'm sorry Pupo, but I don't understand your most recent post, do you mean the Washington Post?

pupo 07-29-2008 07:49 PM

Yes--although of course the Post would argue that it is editorially independent.

Anyway, what did King Baudoin do that people would even consider this type of thing? Did he fund orphanages or hospitals or something like that? Or was he "just" a pious person?


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