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jackie68 07-15-2008 07:02 AM

Princess Alice, Grand Duchess of Hesse and by Rhine (1843-1878)
I've been reading alot about Prss. Alice lately. What a lovely girl and woman she really was.
When you read between the lines you can see that she was so benevolent and caring.
She nursed her father, her mother, her brother, Hesse's wounded soldiers, as well as her own family. Not to mention suffering the loss of children.

She was very solemn, a lot like her father. Its quite fitting to history that she aged quite prematurely and died young.... just like her father.

The saddest thing was that her mother never gave her nursing skills any credit.

There was even a heifer named Princess Alice, named so because Qn Victoria abhored the idea of her daughter breast feeding her own children.

The irony is, is that Q Victoria was devastated when her daughter died. Little bit of hypocrisy there........

Please share any views that you might have.

PssMarie-Elisabeth 07-23-2008 11:10 AM

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From what I gather, Princess Alice was quite quick-tempered (a trait which she most likely acquired from her mother, Queen Victoria) as well as very unflamboyant. She did not like to spend money lavishly on clothes and things of that nature - her daughter, Alicky (Empress Alexandra Feodorovna) seemed to be the same way in that regard.

Alice as Grand Duchess of Hesse, c1865 - Prussian Coronation ?

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Avicenna 08-02-2008 07:59 PM


Originally Posted by jackie68 (Post 799258)

The saddest thing was that her mother never gave her nursing skills any credit.

Letter of Queen Victoria to her son-in-law Friedrich Wilhelm dated 12. April 1859, quoted according to Gerard Noel, Princess Alice:

"quiet and posée ..., so unselfish and useful"

Couldn't find something relating directly to her nursing skills though. However she got at least general praise from her mother.

CarolinaLandgrave 08-25-2008 07:46 PM

Great picture of Princess Alice..... did anyone ever decide where/what was the occasion?
Very regal....

Russophile 08-25-2008 08:19 PM

Christopher Warwick's book on GD Ella has a lot of excellent references to Princess Alice. What I found interesting was that Alice was so very intelligent and her husband was not. Though she was frustrated living with him--he was never near her intellect--she always loved him.

Al_bina 08-25-2008 08:20 PM

I wonder whether or not Princess Alice was overly religious. Pikul in his "The evil power" contended that Princess Alice was fanatical about religion and sought advice from various Messiahs, who would give her spiritual direction. The last Russian Empress Alexandra Fedorovna was said to liken her mother in this respect.

Avicenna 08-25-2008 09:58 PM

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Eckhart G. Franz does not mention any extraordinary religious piety of Alice in his biography. But then the situation of Alice was unique and quite different to Vicky in Berlin or to her daughter lateron in Russia.

Her mother-in-law Mathilde had died six weeks before because of cancer and Alice was therefor automatically First Lady upon her arrival in Hessen at the age of 19. Thus came more responsibility, but also more possiblities to create something. She basically had more influence and used it more diplomatically than her sister in Berlin. Her key aspects of activity were among others nursing and also better education for women.

The attached photo was made in 1877. I found it in a book on Kaiserin Friedrich - her sister Victoria.

Russophile 08-26-2008 07:39 PM

But Alice was always the one to nurture anything, her mother after Albert's death, the sick in Hesse. She was a very responsible and beloved Princess.

CarolinaLandgrave 11-18-2008 09:04 PM

Didnt she go with Louis to the front when he was in service??
And she set up hospitals to nurse the wounded soldiers (in their home, I think).
A kindly, good, and charitable Lady...

Russophile 11-19-2008 12:21 AM

I don't remember reading about her going to the front with Louis, CL, but I do know that she was very instrumental in furthering the nursing vocation. It rubbed off on her offspring, Ella took it up after Serge's death and Alix and her daughters each had their own hospitals that they served in. She was very much beloved by the people of Hesse as she strived to help them all. When she passed, she was heavily mourned.
I got a lot of this info. from Christopher Warwick's: "Ella, Princess, Saint and Martyr."

CarolinaLandgrave 11-19-2008 09:46 AM

Thanks! I will have to do some research and see if I cant dig up where I read that..... I need to take notes when I read!

Russophile 11-19-2008 07:16 PM


Originally Posted by CarolinaLandgrave (Post 855518)
Thanks! I will have to do some research and see if I cant dig up where I read that..... I need to take notes when I read!

For a class?
You might try "Dearest Mama" though most of those letters are written by QV to Vickie, Alice is in there as well.

CarolinaLandgrave 11-19-2008 08:34 PM

My college days are long over Russo - hahaha. I read so much and then go back and re-read the same books - and I have notebook papers stuck in the pages where I make notes of interesting things.
Its heck getting old!

Russophile 11-20-2008 07:32 PM

repeatTell me about it said Russo with the ever present grey-hair plucking tweezers! :rolleyes:

I found it interesting that though Alice loved Louis, she was exasperated with him at times as he was below her intellect.
This due to the upbringing by Prince Albert. Wish I could have met him!

CarolinaLandgrave 11-20-2008 08:48 PM

Prince Albert, from all I can gather, was a brilliant man. Vicky and Alice were so bright........
kinda makes you think what may have happened in the RF had he lived as long as Victoria - as far as Bertie's behavior, et al

EmpressRouge 11-20-2008 08:56 PM

Alice seemed to be living in the shadow of her older sister, Victoria. Victoria was their father's favorite due to her superior intellect. Victoria was older and also the prettier one. Victoria married the future German emperor who was her intellectual equal whereas Alice married a minor German grand duke, and as Russophile, who was not on the same level. Alice brought hemophilia into her family while all of Victoria's children were hemophilia free.
Where Alice was more successful than Victoria was as role of wife and mother. Alice nursed her family through diphtheria at the expense of her own life. Meanwhile Victoria's insistence of having a English doctor probably cost Frederick his life and might have plunged Germany into political disaster. Alice's children were all well adjusted while Victoria had to deal with three enfants terribles. No one wonder Ella turned down Willy's proposal. However, both have left incredible legacies through their descendents and each has one counts a reigning consort of today: Queen Sofia and the Duke of Edinburgh.

CarolinaLandgrave 11-20-2008 09:15 PM

Well put, Empress, well put....
As my grandmama used to say abt one of my uncles (for putting up with my aunt).... Vicki outa have a star in her crown in heaven for putting up with Willy! And her in-laws, for that matter!

Russophile 11-21-2008 05:30 PM


Originally Posted by CarolinaLandgrave (Post 856384)
Prince Albert, from all I can gather, was a brilliant man. Vicky and Alice were so bright........
kinda makes you think what may have happened in the RF had he lived as long as Victoria - as far as Bertie's behavior, et al

Albert had a large part to do with their education. ER is correct, and Vicky was speaking, what ER? 3? 4 languages by the time she was 5 years old?
QV knew she had a lot of brood to pawn off on the world and there were only so many big thrones to snag hence Alice went to Louis, but they met before Albert had passed and it was a love match, though Alice practiced an immense amount of patience with her husband. I couldn't do that. Stupid people cheese me off. . . :biggrin:

CarolinaLandgrave 11-23-2008 09:02 AM

In Queen Victoria's Descendants by Marlene Eilers, it is mentioned that Queen Victoria took a special interest in the Hesse grandchildren b/c she was not at all found of Louis' mother...... whats the story here?
Also, QV about spazzed out then Louis married morgantically on the day of Victoria and Louis of Battenburg married....

Russophile 11-24-2008 07:42 PM

Yes, because the woman was his mistress and beneath him and also it sullied Alice's memory. We're talking about QV here, Ms.-I'm-in-mourning-for-Albert-sor-the-rest-of-my-life-andyou-should-be-too.
The kids didn't have a problem with the marriage, but QV did and whatever she wanted, she usually got or found a way to get!

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