Daniel Westling moves into Drottningholm: June 2008
Aftonbladet/BEVISET: Nu flyttar Daniel in på slottet
Aftonbladet/HÄR ÄR BEVISEN Now it is official: Daniel Westling is moving to a new apartment at the Drottningholm Castle estates. The King lets him live there from the first of July. Daniel has made a change of address on the 12th June. Last Tuesday Daniel made a rental agreement. He will have a two rooms and a kitchen apartment (61 square metres) at the Pagebyggnaden (house used by the servants) beside the castle. At the first of July he can move in to the beautiful red wooden house with leafy garden. "It´s going to be more official" - Everyone has known that Victoria and Daniel have basically lived together for a long time. The difference is this new address of Daniel and that it will be more official that they live together, says the court expert Herman Lindqvist. - The apartment is too small for Victoria, she lives at a wing in the castle. Daniel has for a long time stayed with Victoria when she is home. This will continue now, the difference is that when Victoria is away Daniel will live at the Pagebyggnaden. Daniel has made a rental agreement. He will pay a rent of 4868 SEK in a month (about 520 euros). The rental agreement: Aftonbladet Aftonbladet Aftonbladet The apartment is just a couple hundred metres away from Victoria´s wing. At the agreement says that even if Daniel and Victoria will separate, Daniel can stay at his apartment until he dies. He can not change the apartment to another at the castle area. The King can fire off Daniel on three month´s notice, if someone at the Royal Family needs the apartment. In that case Daniel must be offered the same kind of apartment nearby. The court confirms - It seems that this agreement is made like that it is good for everyone, says Anita Bigosinska, a lawyer from the Swedish Union of Tenants. The court confirms the move, but not that it contains that Daniel and Victoria will live together. - No, Drottningholm is big. He will not live at the castle, he will have an apartment nearby at the castle area. I don´t know then he will move, says Nina Eldh, the informationschef of the Swedish Court. Jenny Alexandersson´s blog/Svensk Damtidning Jenny Alexandersson is sure that this means that it will be an engagement soon, the King would have never let Daniel move to the castle area, if Daniel and Victoria wouldn´t be serious with the relationship. Same story: Expressen/Nu flyttar Daniel Westling till Drottningholm Nyhetskanalen/Nu flyttar Daniel till sin Victoria |
It's kind of looking like something is on the way… possibly an engagement.
It's interesting to note that the apartment will be Daniel's regardless of his situation with Victoria. |
They are taking it sloooooowly, one step after another, aren't they ;)
How nice, now they will travel to Stockholm City every morning together :lol: time to make the rest official I'd say. I bet there is an engagement around the corner soon. Finally! If not the King would never have given his OK to such an arrangement. |
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I´d also say "engagement" until April...otherwise things would get really ridiculous. And if more programmes and columns like "Ers Kungliga Höghet Westling" would come their start would be a lot more difficult. But as you have said....they are taking things sloooooowly...and if Westling would hang out there until 2010...walking the dog with her and so on...and so on...I wouldn´t be surprised either... Thank you for the extended report, LadyFinn |
Good for them!
They are acting very, very sensibly - take their time, make sure the relationship works before they make it "official". I guess an engagement and marriage are the next big things to happen. |
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Yes Drottningholm is a big place ... Daniel moving in there doesn't actually mean that they share an apartment ... or even see each other :rolleyes: You are right, at some point things are getting ridiculous, something must happen within the next year. |
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Why should they have been engaged by now? People should only get engaged when and if they feel ready to do so. Clearly they do not, and they are taking time to ensure that the relationship is solid before they make the next step. Perhaps they have learned a lesson from the disaster that was Charles and Diana? In Royal circles, an engagement isn't a trial period--breaking one off is a much, much bigger deal than amongst us regular folk.
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I bet that an engagement is announced in the Fall - around October or November and then they will get married in the summer of 2009.
It will take that long to set up all of the wedding arrangments. |
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The difference is, of course, that 1) Victoria and Daniel have been together far longer than Haakon and Mette-Marit had and 2) they're not officially living together as Haakon and Mette-Marit did. |
So thry arent sharing rooms correct? Somethings up I Got a lil Excited when I Read this.
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Daniel and Victoria will live separately. Victoria lives in one wing of the castle, Daniel will live in his apartment at the Page House near the castle at the Drottningholm castle estates.
Hello!/Victoria of Sweden's gym-owner love to move into royal palace Hola!/Daniel Westling, nuevo residente en el Palacio Real de Suecia Aftonbladet/Experten: De förlovar sig redan i höst Catarina Hurtig: Daniel is a good representant for Sweden Daniel Westling´s move to Drottningholm is historical. The royals have traditionally not moved together before marriage. - He is a pioneer and soon we will see the engagement, says the court expert Catarina Hurtig. Daniel´s move to an apartment at the castle estates before he and the crown princess are engaged is very uncommon. Catarina Hurtig says that royals don´t usually live together before marriage. - I know just one case. It was when Mette-Marit moved to live with prince Haakon. It caused a big outcry and king Harald had to defend his son. He had to say that he believed that it was going to lead to a wedding to settle the people down. Because Daniel Westling and the crown princess have already lived together, Catarina Hurtig is sure about his role at the household. - Cooking isn´t Victoria´s strong skills and so Daniel will make their dinners. But he can have some tips from his future father-in-law. According to Catarina Hurtig Daniel has all the features that are needed to live together with a royal. - In Europe the consorts have been a sad collection of depressed gentlemen. They have not coped very well of living in the shadow of a woman. But Daniel is a modern swedish gentleman, who will solve the task. But what does this move mean? Hurtig is assured that there´s only one answer to the question: the engagement. - Presumably it will happen already in the autumn. It is earlier than expected and then we will have a summer wedding next year. Catarina Hurtig believes that Daniel Westling will succeed in winning the popularity amongst the people. - I remember the first time I met him. It was at a wedding and I said hello when he passed me. Daniel just said "no comments". Today he is secure at his role and an excellent representant for Sweden. Photo of the house where Daniel shall live |
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I think that a lot of the Royals agendas are hinging on the Olympics in August --- the royal families all attend and root for thier home country's teams. Many of the royals sit on their country's Olympic Committee and thus are very busy up until and into August.
After the Olympics, I wouldn't be surprised to see the engagements of Daniel & Victoria, Zara and Mike and Albert & Charlene (maybe also Nicolaos & Tatiana?) all announced. |
I think it sounds like a good deal. Daniel and Victoria get to live close to one another, yet can still keep their own private space at the same time. I am totally expecting to hear about an engagement before the end of the year.
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Cooking isn´t Victoria´s strong skills and so Daniel will make their dinners. But he can have some tips from his future father-in-law.
As if they would be cooking their own dinners. Please. |
Sounds good. All we have to do is wait for the big announcement now!
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I think that's amazing. They should be proud to be modern and being an almost normal couple (practically) living together before marriage. I know they're not exactly in the same house but this is really a big step anyways, because does anyone really believe that they'll stay apart if they're only a few hundred meters apart? I doubt it. They've just twisted the moving-in-together story so that it doesn't embarass the royal family or the couple.
I also expect an engagement soon. And I expect their wedding to be beautiful. Cheers to Danie and Victoria! |
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Well, it seems that there is finally some action. First the appearance of Daniel in Denmark and now this. It gives some expectations of an engagement in the near future.
Thanks LadyFin for your elaborate posts on the matter, very interesting. Did any of the magazines or newspapers have a picture of the place where Daniel will be living? Or of Victoria's wing of the palace? - Is it obligatory to release these rental contracts in Sweden by the way? |
Well finally we´re seeing some signs that an engagement is about to happen. I hope that the engagement will happen this fall, but maybe they will wait over the Nobel, beacuse otherwise Daniel would make his debute there wouldn´t he? But let´s all hope that it will FINALLY happen this fall and a wedding in june 2009, i have waited soo long for this now and i can´t stand to wait another year...
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Yes, probably he would attend the NPA with the Royal family. But IMO this is not soooo much of a task...as many relatives of laureates aren´t used to such things either. Besides we wouldn´t get a detailed description, what they had talked about at the table...and at the ceremony he just needs to sit there and look interested (and even the RF isn´t always a pro in that ;))
Somehow I am thinking, that duties like the king´s birthday (waving and all) or the National day (more waving, shaking hands, posing...) or trips through the country are a little more complicated for Daniel than a NPA...that he can wear white tie, we have seen and since he mostly eats in noble restaurants, he could probably also fill his stomach at the NPA banquett the Royal civilised way ;) V&D go unusual ways...so I´d say every engagement date from September to May is possible (as I still stick with a summer wedding) Pics of Westling´s new apartment (house) http://img292.imageshack.us/img292/2728/7733321nb4.jpg ImageShack - Hosting :: huset667034arp4.jpg Victoria apartment encircled + an other aerial pic ImageShack - Hosting :: slottpg4.jpg http://img399.imageshack.us/img399/4720/dholmol3.jpg Type in "Drottningholm" + choose "flygfoto" and you can see more aerial photos. Quite a nice place to live IMO Eniro kartor visar adresser & vägen till företag & personer |
There was an article in one of the Swedish newspapers today about the struggle for Daniel to become accepted and about Victoria's support and her decision to stand by him no matter what. Daniel has gone through a lenghty "education" to become her consort. There may be some similarities here between Daniel and Victoria and King and Queen. When Carl Gustaf became King there were widespread speculation that the monarchy would not survive. He was seen as a playboy, not very bright and most likely not able to take over after his very respected and loved grandfather. He surprised everyone with his first speech as the new king but he was still very insecure and not very "kingly". Silvia was seen as the person that helped him in becoming more secure and instilling a sense of royal family around him. She was apparently very intelligent and very capable in taking on the role as his queen. Yet she was not "royal" enough for many royal houses at the time yet she eventually became one of the most regal queens. Victoria would have seen the dynamic of a very supportive and loving mother/spouse and also her father supporting his non-royal spouse/queen. Victoria probably did not hesitate to stay with Daniel once she decided he was the life companion she wanted even though his back ground was so different and "unacceptable". Although her parents situation was different the dynamic between husband and wife in their personal and intimate lives does not differ because you are royal. I believe the inclusion of Silvia and Daniel - both "non-royal" has and will continue to strengthen the royal family in Sweden. Daniel will most likely take over many of the interests Prince Bertil was involved in - sports and the out-of-doors and nature. The things that are closest to most Swede's hearts.
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Forgive me but I do not understand why the Royal Palace had to announce that Daniel rented a pied a terre from the King. Supposedly from what I read he is a very succesful businessman with his gyms. He must have had a nice place to live in.
I can understand Daniel's hesitation to being front and center and having the media scrutinize and criticise his every move. However neither one of them is getting younger, they know each other for years. Why don't they announce the engagement now and get married in September? CG announced his engagement in February and the wedding was in June.......... |
The Royal Palace did not announce. These documents are public and journalists probably are monitoring everything that goes on around the royal family. The Royal Palace simply acknowledged what was already public.
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But it´s though quite interesting, that they had detected this news so fast (the contract was signed 3 days before!) :rolleyes: I mean we are talking about the Swedish press...those are these days mainly copying foreign agency news or news from local newspapers. Surely the public system in Sweden makes it easy to do some research, but it´s still amazing, that they had found it so fast. Esp. if we consider, that Aftonbladet doesn´t have a regular Royal reporter at the moment :rolleyes:
I´d not be surprised, if the court wouldn´t have followed strictly the principle of secrecy in this case :rolleyes: After all there has been some criticism on Daniel (&Emma &Jonas) "lying" about their prinicipal residence (as they would spend much more time with their partners) And the king giving a life-long right of abode to Daniel is good PR for the man, who is often said to not like his daughter´s boyfriend :rolleyes: I´d also not be surprised, if Daniel wouldn´t pay...or better said would pay, but would get the money back... |
Then the cynical part of me would suggest that perhaps the Palace "leaked" the information to get some feedback about how the Swedes would accept this. In any case, Daniel is getting closer.....
As Queen Sofia had said once, Parents fight their childrens' choices if they disagree with them but once it is a done deal they must do all they can to preserve the unity of the couple. |
IMO Sofia´s statement would totally fit Silvia.
As soon as the deal would be clear, she would surely do everything to promote the idea of an unity and of "grandma Silvia" ;) IMO one can compare Silvia and Daniel in the aspect of being "unsuitable" by the standards of their time. But one can´t compare their educations for the Royal job and their attitude. One could think Silvia was bred and raised for the job "Queen". She grew up in a various cultures. She was always interested in fashion and elegant appearances. She was studying several languages. She was meeting VIPs. She was like Daniel discreet in the dating time, but at the same time always friendly (words + body language) And if you ask me, she knows her value (she is sometimes a bit cocky in interviews) and the differences to Daniel. But at least she can´t deny, that he had tried his best and probably would try it even more in the future. So probably she would accept him as member of the firm (with grinding teeth though)...and if she would accept it, hubby would surely follow... |
Thanks for those pictures Lena, the house looks very nice indeed but to live so close to your in-laws might be far from ideal for many ;). The article said he rented two rooms and a kitchen so I suppose the house is split & he shares it with the staff?
Is it expected that Victoria keeps on living in the place she has now or are there some empty villa's or small palaces left for her? Maybe the one of Princess Sibilla (or does princess Christina live there now?). |
There are quite a few places where Victoria and Daniel can live. There are a couple of royal palaces to choose from, like Tullgarn, Ulriksdal. The haga palace where the king grew up is not that likely i think - the goverment use that now for housing guests. They could always move in to an apartment in the Royal palace in the city but i doub´t that they want to live there - there is not any real gardens and the palace is partly open for public and they will have their offices there so maybe they don´t want to live and work at the same place. I belive that they will live at Drottningholm - atleast when they get children - and that the King and Queen will move out. But first we must have an wedding...
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Note: As we've been waiting for Victoria's marriage for a long time, we do have a thread for discussion of where Victoria may be living after she gets married: http://www.theroyalforums.com/forums...age-16302.html
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I really think it is to see Swedes reaction, in short test the water
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that's great! it sounds like an engagement is on the way... :)
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It may be that moving Daniel Westling to Drottningholm will solve several problems. It will allow them to spend time together without intrusion by the press. It will also improve the security situation. Having a boyfriend who has an apartment in the city and spends time at her place when she is in town, creates a difficult security problem for them. It is worse when she spends time at his place. With both of them living on the grounds of Drottningholm, it will reduce these problems considerably. CP Victoria seems to appear every week at some sort of function. Unlike many other countries, the Swedish people are very protective of the Royal Family, but seem to give them a lot of privacy and freedom in their personal lives. Unfortunately, there are many terrorists in the world today who consider all government officials and royals fair game.
One question. Do future consorts have to divest themselves of all businesses and financial connections before marrying? If they do, it is a heavy burden on the intended consort. Many royals have businesses, investments, and money producing enterprises that they have cleverly developed over the years. Is it fair to ask them to just dump everything and become a pauper in order to marry someone destined for the throne. The fact that Daniel Westling is expanding his fitness empire and is a partner in a huge development in Brazil, could be the reason they have not married. He stands to make millions in the near future. Maybe they plan to wait until he can cash out in the millions instead of right now. |
But until he would cash out the millions, even the last egg have his girlfriend would have shrinked down ;)
I don´t see a problem in being a prince and doing investment projects as this in Brazil...after all the king does also act in the world of business and investment... |
I don't see the big deal about5 it either but apparently it could be taken as a conflict of interest.
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Well, I dont know how the new living arangements/possible engagement will effect his participation in the business world, but there is one thing I have an opinion on...
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I guess it just my opinion and that only time will tell tho... |
Well, call me old fashioned but I wish there was some sort of an engagment announcement before such an arrangement was established. However, maybe this is good for Daniel to really see Victoria's life in a different perspective. Maybe he can see if he can live like royalty or not. Once and for all.
I'm not really sure what to think. In a way, I'm thinking the way the media is presenting: they are now more officially living together. But in another way, I feel like this is all being made out to be more then it really is. None of us know the exact feelings on either side or the exact reasoning behind this new arrangement. |
The latest Point De Vue to arrive here has a large section devoted to those couples who have been forever "engaged" One of them is Victoria and Daniel and it also mentions that neither Madeleine nor Carl Philip can marry until Victoria does.
Once upon a time royals were keeping their romances under wraps and surprised everyone. Nowdays we are privy to all the nuances of these relationships and it adds one more "common" touch to the magic. Six years in my view are enough for anyone to know whether they want to marry or move on. JMO |
It is a really great news. I have been glad to see Mr. Westling accompanying Crown Princess Victoria in Denmark. I hope that the events will unfold faster from now on. I mean that an engagement and wedding are not far off.
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Some even claim, that he just did this move to please the public authorities (who had said on an earlier question by the press, that ppl should be honest about the place, where they really live) and would just store his furniture in the new apartment (which is quite "public"...so easy to photograph), while he would go on to live with Victoria. Quote:
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Daniel stayed at CP Victorias Drottningholm appartment most of the time before
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Why? Because the swedish prime minister Fredrik Reinfeldt would know about that and he doesnt.(Westlings flytt – en nyhet för Reinfeldt | Nyheter | Aftonbladet ). The only real source for this (Daniel had stayed at Victoria´s Drottningholm pavillion/apartment most of the time before), as far as I can see, is Jenny Alexandersson - a journalist from Svensk Damtidning. Source: Ålandstidningen följer kronprinsessan Victorias dag - Ålandstidningen Scroll down to 12.32 (time) Klockan 12:32 Jenny Alexandersson från Svensk Damtidning berättar: Victoria bor officiellt ensam i Sjöflygeln, två rum o kök, på Drottningholms slott. Men Daniel Westling är där mest hela tiden. Han är helt accepterad av kungen o drottningen. 12.32 (time): Jenny Alexandersson from Svensk Damtidning explains: Victoria lives official alone in "Sjöflygeln" (Sea-tract), two rooms and kitchen, in Drottningholm palace. But Daniel Westling is there "most all the time". He is fully accepted of the king and the queen. This is the only real source I found. Sorry, but phrases like "it is well known", "everybody says" and so on are no real source. For example journalist Herman Lindquist "all have known that" (BEVISEN: Nu flyttar Victoria och Daniel ihop | Nyheter | Aftonbladet) - the prime minister didn't know that. |
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I certainly belives that he have lived quite alot with Victoria and vice versa but mostly he with her, and i think that almost all people in Sweden would agree with me - I mean why would they be any different (in private) then the rest of us? |
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[quote=rop81;791490][quote=Franz;791473]I came to the conclusion that this is an invention. I think that Daniel Westling didnt stay at CP Victorias Drottningholm pavillion/appartment most of the time before.
Why? Because the swedish prime minister Fredrik Reinfeldt would know about that and he doesnt. Quote:
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As I read the article you're linking to, it has nothing to do with what Reinfeldt knows about Victoria and Daniel's previous unofficial living arrangements, but what he knows about their present ones, and if that could lead into their future ones. He hasn't been informed of the fact that Daniel is moving into Drottningholm - and the journalists speculate in whether or not his lack of knowledge will make the road towards the wedding a longer one... |
Yes, why should the PM know about Victoria´s private life?
Daniel, Victoria and Herr&Fru Reinfeldt aren´t sharing one blanket at night (I hope ;)) She could tell him things at private dinners or he could read them in the newspapers, but that would be it. It´s in no way a matter for the PM, who (or who not) would be a private guest of the crown princess. And now this move is also nothing, he needs to rubber-stamp. In general the king can choose, whoever he wants as leaser. I´ve actually also not understood, why Reinfeldt not knowing about the move would indicate, that there wouldn´t be a wedding "soon". He had stayed quite vague. So if he would know something about an engagement, he didn´t reveal it directly. But even if he indeed would not know anything...accepting a person like Westling, so with a clean record, should be a minor formal thing. This could easily happen within the next month (what I am doubting as I am sure V&D wanna enjoy their summer vacation without being the filler for the media´s boring "vacation season") If it would take superlong to get an engagement at the government through, Letizia&Felipe would have never engaged so early... And it wasn´t only Jenny Alexandersson, who was reporting, that Daniel would stay a lot at Drottningholm. This was firstly news in the daily newspapers (more than a year ago) And up from that time many "car sightings" with Victoria&Daniel aboard going from Drottningholm to the city and vice versa were reported. If it was now "most" of the time...so always, when she was in Stockholm...can´t be said...I give you that. But alone for secrecy and privacy reasons, it´s likely, that they had spent more time at her place than at his. And that they didn´t spend nights together we aren´t assuming, or are we ;) |
And that they didn´t spend nights together we aren´t assuming, or are we ;)
Heaven forbid - oh no! |
Jenny Alexandersson about Daniel´s living arrangements, also in english
Jennys kungliga blogg/Svensk Damtidning |
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Sorry, but "en av Daniels grannar från Banérgatan" / "one of Daniel's naighbours from Banér-Street" is no real source. As well as "för honom/henne var det självklart att" / "for he/she was it taken for grant that". (Sorry, its just what we've learned at the University and during the journalist education: find and check the source of information) |
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I know I am late but such wonderful news about Daniel and Victoria living close together.I hope to see or atleast hear about a royal wedding in the near future.
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i wonder if they are the first royal couple to live togather before and during the engagment period... |
I Brelive Crown Prince Haakon lived with Mette Marit before marriage.
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