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Sheba 01-20-2004 04:57 PM

I would love for Infanta Cristina to succeed Juan Carlos, she and Inaki would do a much better job for Spain than Felipe and Letizia in my opinion. Hmmm, Queen Cristina and King Inaki, sounds good to me! It is also my opinion, from what I've read that Letizia will drag the Spanish Royal Family down into the gutter. I am a royal fan who is not impressed with recent developments in regards to Letizia!!!

Infanta Cristina for Queen!!! Who's with me! We'll write a letter or something.

Sheba

Ennyllorac 01-20-2004 06:06 PM

What has Letizia done that is so horrible?

pegassuss2525 01-20-2004 06:15 PM

Inaki won't have the title of King. If Christina ever comes to the throne, she will be Queen but her husband will be Prince Consort.

Sheba 01-20-2004 06:19 PM

It is my opinion that Felipe made a poor choice in Letizia. I believe she is unsuitable for many reasons: Shady divorce, promiscuous past, trying to hard to be seen as Noble or Aristocratic (which she isn't, she'd get more points by just being herself, imo), possibly modelled for the topless painting from Mexico, and so on. I just don't like her and believe we'll see more scandal from this woman in the future. There are quite a few posts on this and other royal forums on the Letizia subject for more in depth info than I have put here. Just sharing my opinion. Although I know it won't happen, Cristina would make an excellent Queen.

Sheba B)

Sheba 01-20-2004 06:21 PM

Thanks Pegassuss, I didn't know that. Is it because Inaki isn't royal?

Sheba B)

Ennyllorac 01-20-2004 07:07 PM

Hmmm.. and Felipe did not have a promiscuos past? For goodness sake she was married, big deal. She's had lovers. She's 31 years old. Do we really expect a 31 year old virgen?

Alexandria 01-20-2004 07:08 PM

Inaki, like Crown Princess Victoria of Sweden's husband, would not be given the title of King if (when in Victoria's case) Cristina became Queen because the title King implies superiority. And in Cristina's case, because she is the partner born of royal blood, would be the "superior" one.

Presently, this is the case for the husbands of Queen Margrethe II of Denmark and Queen Elizabeth II of Great Britain, with their husbands as Princes and lesser widely referred to as Queen consort -- though technically that's what they are.

In countries where there is a King (eg. Sweden, Norway, Spain) this title connotes (automatic?) superiority, so even though their wives have the titles of Queen (or Queen consort) it is still clear that it is their husbands who are of "superior" or noble birth.

I hope this all made sense!

Sheba 01-20-2004 07:14 PM

Thank you Alexandria, your explanation made perfect sense and I think I understand now. :flower:

ennyllorac, we'll just have to wait and see what happens next. Till then I propose we agree to disagree. ;)

Sheba B)

Ennyllorac 01-20-2004 07:41 PM

Sounds like a plan Sheba... I hope you don't think I was personally attacking you.

donnaK 01-20-2004 09:07 PM

In fact Christina and Felipe are very much alike towards love and marriage. Both of them insisted on marrying for love. I'm pretty sure that Inaki, a professional handball player, was King's choice for his son-in-law at that time.
Being a Spanish king is one tough job. Felipe has been working his butt off the last few years and he didn't get more recognitions in his country (he did get more international recognitions) compared to some other hardly working crown princes in their countries (I guess there are different standards). Felipe is more suitable for the job than both of his sisters (I would put Christina over Elena though) regardless who the woman he chose to be his wife. There get to be reasons why the King are strongly against first-born succession and is said to be in favor of the male heir to the throne.

Sean.~ 01-20-2004 09:19 PM

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Originally posted by Alexandria@Jan 20th, 2004 - 7:08 pm
Inaki, like Crown Princess Victoria of Sweden's husband, would not be given the title of King if (when in Victoria's case) Cristina became Queen because the title King implies superiority. And in Cristina's case, because she is the partner born of royal blood, would be the "superior" one.

Presently, this is the case for the husbands of Queen Margrethe II of Denmark and Queen Elizabeth II of Great Britain, with their husbands as Princes and lesser widely referred to as Queen consort -- though technically that's what they are.

In countries where there is a King (eg. Sweden, Norway, Spain) this title connotes (automatic?) superiority, so even though their wives have the titles of Queen (or Queen consort) it is still clear that it is their husbands who are of "superior" or noble birth.

I hope this all made sense!

Actually, unlike their other European counterparts, the Iberian countries have a history of granting the title of King Consort. I don't know if that would be the case under a Queen Regnant today though.

In any event, Elena is the older sister so she would come before Christina. I gather you already know that though.

Sean

lucys 01-21-2004 09:37 AM

I predict that Letizia will prove all her detratctors wrong. She is intelligent, strong and hard working and doesn't strike me as a woman inclined to fail at what she sets her mind too. Personally, I respect Felipe more now than before because it says a lot about the kind of man he is that he would wish first and foremost for a strong and intelligent partner. I also particulalry appreciate the absence of false double standards, ala Charles and Diana.

A lot of people on some of these various boards you mention are very ill-willed and seem to wish her to fail, which is hardly a charitable or noble sentiment. I never muched cared for MM in Norway. but I would never wish her to fail, quite the contrary. Same with Mary.

And let's not spread false rumors. That artist went on Spanish television last night ad said that Letizia NEVER posed nude for him, he only had photos of her face and the rest was all his own imagination. End of story.

Cristina is very simpatica, but neither she nor her sister have been trained and educated in the manner that Felipe has. He is universally acknowledged to be the most prepared crown prince in Europe.

AnaM 01-21-2004 11:42 AM

Thank you lucys, I think you're right. I don't understand why so many people are against Letizia and Mary. I really don't believe these crown princes would let down their people by choosing someone that was less than capable of doing their role.
Both Felipe and Frederik have been very well trained and educated and should have no trouble helping their princesses accustom themselves to their role.
We need to remember that by their wedding day these girls will have had many "princess classes" and should know how to handle themselves. And they will learn as they go. Just look as Alexandra, Mathilde, Mette-Marit, Maxima, Rania....

meac 01-21-2004 06:54 PM

Cristina would make an exellent queen and Iņaki a good looking king and Juanito a precious Crown prince, Pablo and Miguel a precious infantes

Sean.~ 01-21-2004 07:50 PM

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Originally posted by meac@Jan 21st, 2004 - 6:54 pm
Cristina would make an exellent queen and Iņaki a good looking  king and  Juanito a precious Crown prince, Pablo and Miguel a precious  infantes
I don't think Spain is ready for a female monarch just one generation after the restoration of the monarchy. (Yes, I know there have been female monarchs in the past. But read ahead). Juan Carlos is very popular personally ("Juan Carloism"), but whether the monarchy as an institution can survive him is more questionable. Indeed, historically the institution has been very tumultuous. Moerover, not only is it still a rather conservative society (although not as much as it was a decade or two ago), but it is also a country with divisions. Anyway, this is one of the alleged reasons why the King and Queen have given approval for the Letitizia - Felipe marriage. They did not want him to renounce his rights in favour of his sister, Elena, and her prosterity. I guess they didn't want to gamble on whether the monarchy as a reinstated institution could absorb such a shock. Particularly since the Prince is popular and since the instiution is supposed to represent stability, unity, and continuity.

S

lydia666666 02-08-2004 07:07 AM

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Originally posted by Sheba@Jan 20th, 2004 - 6:19 pm
It is my opinion that Felipe made a poor choice in Letizia. I believe she is unsuitable for many reasons: Shady divorce, promiscuous past, trying to hard to be seen as Noble or Aristocratic (which she isn't, she'd get more points by just being herself, imo), possibly modelled for the topless painting from Mexico, and so on. I just don't like her and believe we'll see more scandal from this woman in the future. There are quite a few posts on this and other royal forums on the Letizia subject for more in depth info than I have put here. Just sharing my opinion. Although I know it won't happen, Cristina would make an excellent Queen.

Sheba B)

:blink: yeah, i agree with u. Even my maid is better than her cuz at least she is single

igilmo 07-04-2005 11:25 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sheba
It is my opinion that Felipe made a poor choice in Letizia. I believe she is unsuitable for many reasons: Shady divorce, promiscuous past, trying to hard to be seen as Noble or Aristocratic (which she isn't, she'd get more points by just being herself, imo), possibly modelled for the topless painting from Mexico, and so on. I just don't like her and believe we'll see more scandal from this woman in the future. There are quite a few posts on this and other royal forums on the Letizia subject for more in depth info than I have put here. Just sharing my opinion. Although I know it won't happen, Cristina would make an excellent Queen.

Sheba B)

do you think it would have been a better choice if he had chosen the norwegian model? She didn't speak spanish, was too young, she was a model.... I think Letizia is a better choice in that sense... she has a great cultural background thanks to her degree in journalism and she is much more acquainted and familiarised with spanish people and Spanish background than the other one... in Spain, we were delighted when they said he was marrying a spanish woman and not a foreigner

cute_girl 07-04-2005 11:49 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sheba
It is my opinion that Felipe made a poor choice in Letizia. I believe she is unsuitable for many reasons: Shady divorce, promiscuous past, trying to hard to be seen as Noble or Aristocratic (which she isn't, she'd get more points by just being herself

1.Letizia is the modoest and the most down to earth princess I've ever seen,what do you mean that she's been trying so hard to be seen as noble or aristocratic???she's married the crown prince and is a member of the royal family now,a higher position than an aristocrat or some1 from a nobel family.
2.what do you mean by shady divorce???
Letizia was the perfect choice for Felipe,she's educated,been raised up in an educated family,has worked best in her job,has a strong personality,isnt superficial,is very hardworking...what else do you want in a woman to be the right choice for a crown prince?

agisele 07-04-2005 12:01 PM

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Originally Posted by cute_girl
1.Letizia is the modoest and the most down to earth princess I've ever seen,what do you mean that she's been trying so hard to be seen as noble or aristocratic???she's married the crown prince and is a member of the royal family now,a higher position than an aristocrat or some1 from a nobel family.
2.what do you mean by shady divorce???

I don't get it, why don't you try to look at the more positive attributes of Letizia, she's a smart, intelligent and independant woman. I think that it was fantastic for her to give up such a promising career in order to marry Felipe. (Don't try to call that social climbing, because we all know that Letizia would have gotten somehwere on her own, even without marrying Felipe).
What exactly is meant by a shady divorce? What makes you think it's shady, of course we know that she's divorced, but maybe her past is just something thatshe isn't willing to share, or maybe there just isn't anything to share, except for the fact that she got married for the first time when she was younger and decided that it wasn't the right thing for her then. Just because she doesn't talk a whole lot about her life before Felipe, doesn't mean that she's got something to hide. Do you see crown princesses of other countries rambling and telling the public about their former lovers? I don't think so.
I think that Felipe chose well, what did you expect? for him to marry that Norweigian model? If I was Spanish, I certainly wouldn't want half the world to have seen my future queen in her underwear. I believe that Felipe chose someone who he could envision spending the rest of his life with, he also chose someone who was beautiful, intellectual, caring and most of all, a Spanish queen for the Spanish people.

meac 06-24-2010 02:07 PM

She looks like a Queen.
http://img411.imageshack.us/img411/3...aespana02a.jpg
From hola.com

kittygirlie 07-06-2010 06:50 AM

Princess cristina and her husband inaki are great, the would be very good as queen und prince but that wonīt happen because elena comes first... Moreover I think they are soo happy as a family because the arenīt in the front row of die Spanish royal house.;)

Carminha Stalker 07-06-2010 07:45 AM

Iīd be biased here, because I do like very much Infanta Cristina and her family, a sentiment I donīt feel for Letizia. I am not Spanish, but I have read a lot of comments in sites and blogs of people who dislike intensely Letizia and explain why they feel that way.
Yes, I think Cristina would be a wonderful Queen, so would Elena!!!!

Kotroman 07-06-2010 08:12 AM

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Originally Posted by pegassuss2525 (Post 69823)
Inaki won't have the title of King. If Christina ever comes to the throne, she will be Queen but her husband will be Prince Consort.

That's according to the current laws. In Spain, husbands of queens regnant have always been kings consort. Isabel II's husband was a king. Changing that tradition to suit other European monarchy's protocol was a bad idea, in my opinion. Queen Cristina and King Inaki sounds so much better and so much more natural than Queen Cristina and Prince Inaki :smile:

Monna 07-06-2010 08:34 AM

Like it or not, Letizia will be the next Queen of Spain. And even if Felipe (for some reason I don`t want to imagine) couldn`t become king, Leonor would be queen. There is no possibility of Cristina or Elena on the throne. And I don`t think they would do a better job than Felipe and Letizia.

Lumutqueen 07-06-2010 09:40 AM

I do love Infanta Christina, but I don't think Felipe made a bad choice in choosing Letizia and I think the family will make a wonderful future monarchy.

Anyway for Infanta Christina to be Queen, she has to bypass 6 people.

julia garcia roch 07-06-2010 12:38 PM

Felipe and Letizia
 
To me Felipe and Letizia are a young royal couple that represent what modern Spain is today. I admire Letizia for being educated, strong and intelligent woman. I think her only flaw is how thin she is and that is a physical problem she has to overcome. Elena and Cristina are Infantas of Spain, neither one of them are suited for ruling. I do not think they are articulate or strong enough to lead a country. Both Infantas work ocassioanally in their royal duties. Elena is much more involved, but what does Cristina do as an Infanta of Spain? Her duties are few. Cristina is skiing with her children, going to the beach or riding her bike? I do not see her as leading by example in times of economic crisis. To me Cristina and Iņaki are a handsome couple with an adorable family.
In regards to Letizia's past, it is HER LIFE. Letizia has always been described by her former teachers as independent bright and hard working. That is the type of woman that should be REINA DE ESPANA/QUEEN OF SPAIN. ĄVIVAN LETIZIA Y FELIPE, FUTUROS REYES DE ESPANA!

!:king::queen::spainflag2:

donnaK 07-06-2010 02:47 PM

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Originally Posted by meac (Post 1102131)
She looks like a Queen.
http://img411.imageshack.us/img411/3...aespana02a.jpg
From hola.com

She ranked the lowest, but grabbed the grandest tiara LOL :cool:. Quite an attention seeking behavior. She is not as well prepared as her brother to be the head of state of Spain. I'm sure she can make a good queen consort, wonder if she regrets that she hadn't married Phillipe of Belgium who was very interested before.

Lindy 07-06-2010 02:58 PM

Letizia is a very hardworking princess. Her duties pale in comparison to any other crown princess. She has really devoted herself to serving Spain. She appears to be a very loving wife and mother. I know some don't like Letizia but I feel that they are jealous because she is a strong and competent woman. I think the thing that hurts the SRF is the apparent ill will between Letizia and the Infantas.

Al_bina 07-06-2010 03:27 PM

I for one avoid stating that Infanta Elena and Infanta Christina will not be able to be an effective Queen Regnant. We do not know what kind of Queens they would have made because it will never happen. Yes, they might be not prepared as Crown Prince Felipe is because they knew that their brother is the Heir Presumptive and his wife will be the next Queen. Thus, both Infantas step back. Thus, I find all assertions about Infantas not devoting enough time to Spain groundless.
When it comes to Infanta Christina, she is the least likely to inherit the throne.

ClaudiaE 07-06-2010 04:21 PM

:winkiss:
Quote:

Originally Posted by meac (Post 1102131)
She looks like a Queen.
http://img411.imageshack.us/img411/3...aespana02a.jpg
From hola.com

Yeap. But you have to pick a better picture because in this one she looks terrible.:biggrin:
I genuinly like Christina but this choice of tiara was wrong. All the wedding I had the impression that tiara worn her not otherwise.:confused:
About the King/Queen thing, my two cents: Felipe will be a better King than Cristina and definitively, definitively, Queen Consort Letizia will be better than King Consort (or whatever) Inaki. :winkiss:
IMO of course:flowers:

madeleine victoria 07-31-2010 12:11 AM

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Originally Posted by donnaK (Post 1107565)
I'm sure she can make a good queen consort, wonder if she regrets that she hadn't married Phillipe of Belgium who was very interested before.

Really? I don't know this story? Was Philippe of Belgium really interested in Cristina before?

White Princess 07-31-2010 01:12 AM

Yes, Cristina was said to be queen consort of Belgium, just like the prince's aunt, Queen Fabiola. But Cristina prefered to marry for love instead of being queen consort.

My opinian: Cristina has a great and beautiful family, but she is shiny like this because she does not have some duties like the crown princes. I do love Letizia and I am completely sure she'll be a great queen consort and will reign for many and many years. :)

DukeOfAster 11-20-2011 10:33 AM

I say let her be happy and be a simple Duchess. It takes years of training to be ready to be a King or Queen as the ruler it's self and then to help a spouse to get ready is another passage. I am thrilled that Will and Kate we are able to be simple Will and Kate before moving on to a much bigger stage. They will do the training yet have a sort of simple time. Let Cristina have the simple life without the worries. We still get to see her happy carefree smile.

ClaudiaE 12-12-2011 03:13 PM

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Originally Posted by ClaudiaE (Post 1107619)
:winkiss:

Yeap. But you have to pick a better picture because in this one she looks terrible.:biggrin:
I genuinly like Christina but this choice of tiara was wrong. All the wedding I had the impression that tiara worn her not otherwise.:confused:
About the King/Queen thing, my two cents: Felipe will be a better King than Cristina and definitively, definitively, Queen Consort Letizia will be better than King Consort (or whatever) Inaki. :winkiss:
IMO of course:flowers:

It seems my instinct was wright. It would be very hard for Cristina to be Queen of Spain with her husband in jail. And even he will not go to jail the Royal Spanish Family was very affected by his not very smart actions. And Cristina was behind him all the way. So... I just hope Felipe and Letizia will get trough this and their hard work for SRF will not be in vain and Felipe will be the next King.

ANNIE_S 03-25-2013 10:38 AM

Sorry for bringing this old thread out again, but I hadnīt seen it before and it has been amazing reading it after all what has happened lately.

Itīs very funny!... OK, no, actually itīs quite sad :ermm:

But this thread has been an interesting reading for me for many reasons. It has confirmed to me a though that Iīve had for some time now: Cristina always was overrated (also for me, because I used to like her a lot...)

Duke of Marmalade 03-25-2013 01:55 PM

I've always thought that Elena would have made a great Queen, but Cristina, no way, even before the mess.

princess gertrude 03-25-2013 03:13 PM

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Originally Posted by ANNIE_S (Post 1531949)
Sorry for bringing this old thread out again, but I hadnīt seen it before and it has been amazing reading it after all what has happened lately.

Itīs very funny!... OK, no, actually itīs quite sad :ermm:

But this thread has been an interesting reading for me for many reasons. It has confirmed to me a though that Iīve had for some time now: Cristina always was overrated (also for me, because I used to like her a lot...)

Thinking about it now, I too overrated Christina in the beginning and underrated Elena. Not so much now. That's for sure. I've always loved F & L, not so much Elena until recently.

donnaK 03-27-2013 02:06 AM

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Originally Posted by Duke of Marmalade (Post 1532013)
I've always thought that Elena would have made a great Queen, but Cristina, no way, even before the mess.

It's not like Elena didn't want to be rich, she was a few years too late, lucky for her. Cristina was intelligent and hard working, Elena was not. If Cristina were the heiress, she might not get into this mess because she didn't need to. The bar would be set a lot higher for the Queen regent, I never got the impression that Elena liked to work that hard, had any interest at politics or foreign relation.

HRHHermione 03-27-2013 02:18 AM

This thread is funny in a sad way now. I'd never seen it before either.

Amazing that so many people viewed Letizia negatively in the beginning. She's really been pretty fantastic in her role and her distance from Cristina and Inaki may well be what saves the monarchy.

An Ard Ri 03-27-2013 07:21 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Duke of Marmalade (Post 1532013)
I've always thought that Elena would have made a great Queen, but Cristina, no way, even before the mess.

I'd agree with you there,but would Elena want to be Queen without a consort.

Duke of Marmalade 03-27-2013 04:30 PM

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Originally Posted by donnaK (Post 1532672)
The bar would be set a lot higher for the Queen regent, I never got the impression that Elena liked to work that hard, had any interest at politics or foreign relation.

She never had to, at least not after 1968 when Felipe was born. Felipe has been groomed all his life to become what he is now, same would have happened to Elena.

Even today, I think she makes a good & regal figure when representing her country.

donnaK 03-27-2013 07:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Duke of Marmalade (Post 1532908)
She never had to, at least not after 1968 when Felipe was born. Felipe has been groomed all his life to become what he is now, same would have happened to Elena.

She couldn't make it at school. Cristina was studying politics and foreign relation like her brother. I'm sure JC and Sofia would have loved to prepare Elena the same way in case something happened to her younger brother since she was next to the line of succession after her brother until Leonor was born.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Duke of Marmalade (Post 1532908)
Even today, I think she makes a good & regal figure when representing her country.

Wearing designer clothes, smiling, shaking hands, saying a few words are not enough to be the Queen regent in Spain, maybe she is OK in other smaller countries with a stable monarchy, not in a country like Spain.

GracieGiraffe 03-27-2013 07:52 PM

Well, this is an interesting thread....... :ermm:

But seriously, we don't know how anyone's life would turn out if they were on a different path. We don't know what causes people to lead exemplary lives, or to commit crimes, etc, and when that turning point was.

Just because she is in the position she is in now does not mean Cristina would not have made a great Queen. She certainly would not make a great queen NOW, but if she had not veered down the path she did, who can say? Felipe is thought to lead an exemplary life, but if he had been born into different circumstances, a different family, a country with equal primogeniture, who can say how he'd turn out?

Blog Real 03-04-2016 08:31 PM

Before the scandal, who was more popular in Spain? Elena or Cristina?


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