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Lord Sosnowitz 08-15-2004 05:47 AM

Questions About [non-British] Styles and Titles
 
All royal wifes bear their husbands full title?

For example:
HRH Countess of Wessex: is Princess of UK of GB & Viscountess of Severn, too?
HRH Grand Duchess of Luxembourg: is Duchess of Nassau, Countess of Sayn, Königstein, Katzenelnbogen & Dieza, Viscountess of d'Hammerstein, etc.
HSH Fürstin of Liechtenstein: is Duchess of Troppau & Jägerndorf hercege
HI & RH Princess Astrid of Belgium: is Archduchess & Princess Imperial of Austria-Erste, Princess Royal of Hungary, Bohemia

And when the wife has got higher rank than her husband?
Hereditary Princess of Liechtenstein HRH or HSH?
I think HRH, because the wifes bear their ranks & styles after the marriages, I think.

Josefine 08-15-2004 05:51 AM

what is the question

Lord Sosnowitz 08-15-2004 05:55 AM

All royal wifes bear their husbands full title? :)

Josefine 08-15-2004 06:04 AM

i still do not understand
do you state that all royal wifes bear their husbands full title and want help to list them all

does not all women bear the husbands title if he is a royal

Lord Sosnowitz 08-15-2004 10:21 AM

Sorry
I just list some royal ladies, but I don't know that it is correct titles.ű
These are examples.

sara1981 08-15-2004 04:21 PM

I know about Earl and Countess of Wessex both create title since got married in June 1999 but Sophie known as Countess of Wessex and Edward known as Earl of Wessex.

Prince Charles and late Diana,Princess of Wales been married in 1981 but both create as Prince and Princess of Wales before got married in July 1981 but both got divorces in August 1996 Diana known as Diana,Princess of Wales.

Princess Anne known as Princess Royal but i dont know why as recall from past Princess Royal to current Princess Royal.

Prince Andrew and Sarah,Duchess of York been married in July 1986 i think so but both create titles as Duke and Duchess of York before got married both got separate in 1992 following taboids and divorces in 1996 but Sarah known as Sarah,Duchess of York.

Sara Boyce

Lord Sosnowitz 08-16-2004 01:49 PM

Thanks Sara!

But I think, that Countess of Wessex is Princess of United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland, and Viscountess of Severn (of course Her Royal Highness), isn't she?

moosey60 08-16-2004 09:06 PM

When Sophie Rhys-Jones married Prince Edward, I believe she rejected the title "Princess".

GrandDuchess 08-17-2004 10:25 AM

Sophie's title
 
When Prince Edward and Sophie Rhys-Jones got married in 1999 - Queen Elizabeth II created the styles of Earl of Wessex and Viscount Severn for Prince Edward, and Sophie became the Countess of Wessex. They are both HRH's.

As you might know, it was also descided that their children will not get the titile of HRH, only the courtesy titles that are for the son or daughter of an Earl. Therefore, their firstborn is known as Lady Louise Windsor.

Lord Sosnowitz 08-17-2004 03:36 PM

Yes, but I think she is a princess as Princess Alice, same situation, I think.
And what about Grand Duchess Maria-Teresa? She is Duchess of Nassau, Countess of Sayn, Königstein, Katzenelnbogen & Dieza, Viscountess of d'Hammerstein, etc., too?

MoonlightRhapsody 08-17-2004 05:08 PM

I guess she can be addressed as "Princess", however, she is addressed, more often than not, as HRH the Countess of Wessex.

mybags 08-17-2004 05:29 PM

The Countess of Wessex is Princess Edward of Great Britain and Northern Ireland, Countess of Wessex, and Viscountess Severn. She is not a princess in her own right. Princess Alice was created a princess at the time of her husband's death to distinguish her from her daughter-in-law Birgitte. (BTW, Birgitte is Princess Richard of Great Britain and Ireland).

This dispersion of titles is the same in Denmark and Greece (ex: Crown Prince Pavlos). Princess Alexandra of Denmark was created a princess in her own right by Queen Margrethe.

In the Netherlands, the royal wives bear the titles of their husbands.

In Belgium, both Mathilde and Claire were made princesses in the own right.

I'm not sure about Spain, Sweden, Norway.

GrandDuchess 08-17-2004 05:39 PM

Sophie's title
 
Sophie is NOT a Princess (in her own right) - she is HRH The Countess of Wessex! This was the style that Queen Elizabeth II created for her at her marriage to one of her sons. I think her titles are (not in her own right): HRH The Princess Edward, Countess of Wessex, Viscountess Severn.

Princess Alice, The Duchess of Gloucester, on the other hand - is another matter. She was born in a different era, and was already the daughter of a Duke when she was married. When her husband, The Duke of Gloucester, died in 1974, she became known as Princess Alice, Duchess of Gloucester to distinguish herself from her daughter-in-law who is now the new Duchess of Gloucester.

norwegianne 08-17-2004 06:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mybags
I'm not sure about Spain, Sweden, Norway.

In Norway the King decides. It would be uncommon that the wife of the crown prince at least would not be a crown princess. (On the other hand we've only had three crown princesses...) Norway does not have nobility, as it was abolished some time ago, so the titles of the Crown Prince/Princess, are simply HRH Crown Prince Haakon of Norway, and HRH Crown Princess Mette-Marit of Norway.

And since there haven't been any other males in the line since 1905 than the one male heir in each generation, there's been no discussion about what titles the wives of princes not first in line to the throne should be styled. This discussion might come up if Ingrid Alexandra gets a brother, or it might not come up at all.

GrandDuchess 08-17-2004 06:17 PM

In Sweden, it is also Monarch that descides about titles for members of the Royal Family. There has been a lot of discussion about the titles of the coming husbands of Crown Princess Victoria and Princess Madeleine, and also of Prince Carl Philip. No one know how it will be until the day of the announcement for it comes...

sara1981 08-17-2004 09:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by moosey60
When Sophie Rhys-Jones married Prince Edward, I believe she rejected the title "Princess".

the Wessexes got married in June 19,1999 but both still good married for 5 years but both had one daughter Lady Louise Wessex who is 8 month old but Sophie Wessex still obey her mother in law all the times since she got married to her husband she said "I DO"

Sara Boyce

sara1981 08-17-2004 09:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lord Sosnowitz
Thanks Sara!

But I think, that Countess of Wessex is Princess of United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland, and Viscountess of Severn (of course Her Royal Highness), isn't she?

that not correct!

Sophie still as Countess! but she not as PRINCESS! because she and Edward makes create titles since got engagement and before wedding but the couple would agree to become Earl and Countess of Wessex many Royal families know Earl and Countess of Wessexes in Great Britian all the times!

Sara Boyce

sara1981 08-17-2004 09:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mybags
The Countess of Wessex is Princess Edward of Great Britain and Northern Ireland, Countess of Wessex, and Viscountess Severn. She is not a princess in her own right. Princess Alice was created a princess at the time of her husband's death to distinguish her from her daughter-in-law Birgitte. (BTW, Birgitte is Princess Richard of Great Britain and Ireland).

This dispersion of titles is the same in Denmark and Greece (ex: Crown Prince Pavlos). Princess Alexandra of Denmark was created a princess in her own right by Queen Margrethe.

In the Netherlands, the royal wives bear the titles of their husbands.

In Belgium, both Mathilde and Claire were made princesses in the own right.

I'm not sure about Spain, Sweden, Norway.

that alright with your posts

Prince Felipe and his new bride makes create as Prince and Princess of Austria since got married.And im not sure about Prince Haakon and his wife have create as title? when got married in 2001.

Crown Prince Phillipe and his wife Crown Princess Mathilde of Belguim have no create as title! and Crown Princess Victoria of Sweden.

Sara Boyce

A.C.C. 08-18-2004 12:19 AM

The Countess of Wessex, the Duchess of Gloucester, the Duchess of Kent, and Princess Michael of Kent are Princesses of the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland because all of their husbands are princes. If you wanted to address then using the title princess you would say, for example, Princess Edward (reffering to the Countess of Wessex) because she is not a princess in her own right. This is the reason Princess Michael of Kent is called Princess Michael, she is not a princess in her own right and she doesn't have a title like the Countess of Wessex or the Duchesses of Kent and Gloucester, so she is known as Princess Michael instead of Princess Marie-Christine (which she would be called if she was a princess in her own right). If Prince Edward wasn't made Earl of Wessex, etc. for his wedding, Sophie would be known as Princess Edward.

On the other hand, Princess Anne, the Princess Royal, Princess Beatrice of York, Princess Eugenie of York, Princess Alexandra of Kent, and Princess Alice, Duchess of Gloucester, are all Princess of the United Kingdom of Great Birtain and Northern Ireland in their own right, that is why their names are used after "princess..."

wymanda 08-18-2004 12:40 AM

Princess? Alice
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by A.C.C.
On the other hand, Princess Anne, the Princess Royal, Princess Beatrice of York, Princess Eugenie of York, and Princess Alice, Duchess of Gloucester, are all Princess of the United Kingdom of Great Birtain and Northern Ireland in their own right, that is why their names are used after "princess..."

I remember reading that Princess Marina, who was born a Princess, and Princess Alice, Countess of Athlone were unhappy that the Dowager Duchess of Gloucester was permitted to be known as Princess Alice. Their reasoning was that she was only entitled to be known as Princess Henry or Dowager Duchess of Gloucester as she was not and never had been a Princess in her own right.

Does anyone know if she was made a Princess after her husbands death and, if so, was this done by Letters Patent?


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