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norwegianne 05-22-2008 11:55 AM

Norway: Republic or monarchy?
 
From time to time, the Norwegian political party SV (Socialist Left) raise the question of the Norwegian form of government – or more precisely, the question of monarchy vs. republic. They have it on their party programme that the question shall be raised once every elected term. (If I remember it right):whistling:


This was the case today, where the proposal came up for voting in Stortinget, the Norwegian parliament. 21 representatives voted in favour of changing it, whereas 106 representatives voted against, NTB reports. This is actually a decrease in 22.85% from four years ago, when 26 voted in favour of changing it, and 126 voted against.

Representative Djupedal from SV, pointed out that raising the question is a matter of principle, which has nothing to do with the way the royal family is performing their duties.

If it is up to the elected members of parliament, it seems that the Norwegian monarchy is standing quite strong.
http://www.aftenposten.no/nyheter/iriks/politikk/article2439042.ece

Thomasine 05-22-2008 04:42 PM

You are correct
 
Yes, you are correct, SV has adopted the vote for republic in their party programme and their Swedish counterpart, Vensterpartiet has done the same.

Both parties enters the motion to abolish the Monarchy every year and I have heard from a friend who works for the government in Sweden that they bet on how many votes the motion gets from other parties.

It is a vaste of time in my opinion.:norwayflag:

norwegianne 05-23-2008 04:47 AM

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Originally Posted by Thomasine (Post 769723)
Yes, you are correct, SV has adopted the vote for republic in their party programme and their Swedish counterpart, Vensterpartiet has done the same.

Both parties enters the motion to abolish the Monarchy every year and I have heard from a friend who works for the government in Sweden that they bet on how many votes the motion gets from other parties.

It is a vaste of time in my opinion.:norwayflag:

It's honestly the sort of thing I don't want decided in Stortinget by a select few representatives. They gave us-... (Well, my great grandfathers and their fathers:whistling:) the right to choose which form of government in 1905, and I would like the same right now if the choice came up. .

I have a long list of opinions about SV and Djupedal, but given that it mostly has nothing to do with royalty, it's best to keep quiet. :rolleyes:

Princejohnny25 10-14-2009 11:16 PM

A recent article says that 40percent of Noways Parliament is in favor of a Monarchy? I've been wondering, why is the Monarchy not always viewed so favorably? I like all of the main Royal Family quite a bit but I must say, it does lack some magic. They dont always come across as royals.

Odette 10-15-2009 12:05 PM

:previous: Even when Princess Maud became Queen consort of King Haakon, the Norwegian court was quite low key and unpretentious. They were both true royals. In the current family the only true royal is King Harald. Both the CP and Princess Martha Louise are half commoners.
The next generation will be even more democratic, less royal.
Perhaps the Norwegians will decide in the future that there would be no need for them for a royal family since they would not be royal at all except for the titles...(JMHO):flowers:

Patra 10-15-2009 12:14 PM

Does anyone know how close the vote has EVER gotten to abolish the monarchy? I would be interested in that. Thanks in advance,

Her_Majesty 10-15-2009 12:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Patra (Post 1005200)
Does anyone know how close the vote has EVER gotten to abolish the monarchy? I would be interested in that. Thanks in advance,

The Norwegian Royal House, the way it is nowadays, is very young.
It was founded in 1905.
I never heard anything about the monarchy being close to be abolished.

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Originally Posted by Princejohnny25
A recent article says that 40percent of Noways Parliament is in favor of a Monarchy?

No, it's the other way round.
4 out of 10 Representatives in Stortinget would rather opt for a Republic. So 60% are pro-monarchy.

(so, it's still more then , for example, in Sweden... there more then 50% of the members of the Parliament opt for a republic).

Quote:

Originally Posted by Princejohnny25
it does lack some magic.

Due to it's history the Norwegian monarchy never consisted of pomp and circumstances, like other monarchies (UK for example).
King Haakon was elected by the Norwegian people. He and his successors were always very dopwn-to-earth and never really pompous.
I think that is somehow what makes the Norwegian monarchy.
I always got the feeling that this is what the people in Norway value.

Princejohnny25 10-15-2009 03:10 PM

Your right HM, I met Republic not Monarchy. oops.

I've always wondered if it was the laid back approach that the Norwegian people embraced in the Monarchy. I still feel it could use a bit more mystery. Its that unknown element of the monarchy that makes it alluring. I think the Danish court balances the perfect amount of mystic and openness.
However, I adore Haakon and MM and think they will make a great King and Queen.

lucien 10-15-2009 03:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Her_Majesty (Post 1005205)
The Norwegian Royal House, the way it is nowadays, is very young.
It was founded in 1905.
I never heard anything about the monarchy being close to be abolished.


No, it's the other way round.
4 out of 10 Representatives in Stortinget would rather opt for a Republic. So 60% are pro-monarchy.

(so, it's still more then , for example, in Sweden... there more then 50% of the members of the Parliament opt for a republic).


Due to it's history the Norwegian monarchy never consisted of pomp and circumstances, like other monarchies (UK for example).
King Haakon was elected by the Norwegian people. He and his successors were always very dopwn-to-earth and never really pompous.
I think that is somehow what makes the Norwegian monarchy.
I always got the feeling that this is what the people in Norway value.

Every time and again.about election time,these poll burbs come-up in Norway,according to Dag Hoelseth on the SRMB.And I believe him.

It's a temporary and traditional hypelike thing popping up every 4 to 8 years or so.
Norway,btw,has the very least reason to complain in this so-called hyped up crisis.
It is such a wealthy country,"filthy rich" would be best to discribe it .The Monarchy has never been,and still isn't,in any serious danger.
Norway can best count it's blessings as it is a steady,prosperous and beautifull piece on the globe.

wartenberg7 10-15-2009 03:30 PM

It's a temporary and traditional hypelike thing popping up every 4 to 8 years or so.
Norway,btw,has the very least reason to complain in this so-called hyped up crisis.
It is such a wealthy country,"filthy rich" would be best to discribe it .The Monarchy has never been,and still isn't,in any serious danger.
Norway can best count it's blessings as it is a steady,prosperous and beautifull piece on the globe.[/QUOTE]



I agree with you! But some staunch republicans keep on using this "too-much-money" theme for their cause, because there are not many other pros for them and it´s a sensitive matter to almost everyone:ermm:

Royal Fan 10-16-2009 12:52 AM

I Say keep it its Symbolic!

RoyalX 10-28-2009 05:05 PM

The Royal House is more than symbolics in Norway. You can't compare it to i.e. Sweden.

Lord Rossmore 12-14-2009 09:56 PM

I Love the fact that the Royal house is young and dynamic, breath of fresh air to the country. Absolutly love Queen Sonja and Princess Mette Marit. They get what the people want and feel

LadyFinn 05-06-2014 02:16 PM

Two high-profile politicians representing the most staunchly monarchist parties in Norway have spoken out against the institution of royalty in a new book to be released on Tuesday. The outspoken deputy leader of the Progress Party (Fremskrittspartiet, FrP), Per Sandberg, said anyone concerned with democracy should be against the monarchy, while for the first time ever a Conservative (Høyre) politician, Trade Minister Monica Mæland, voiced support for a republic.

Sandberg also argued that what he sees as the increasing political involvement of Crown Prince Haakon and Crown Princess Mette-Marit was cause for concern, especially because he claimed the royal couple was too left-leaning. “That just strengthens my position that we should not have a monarchy,” he said. “It will lead to more and more people becoming republicans. In that sense it is okay for me that the crown prince and princess become stronger, more visible and clearer on their political standpoint, because that will strengthen the argument we do not need a royal house.”
Politicians rise up against monarchy

wartenberg7 05-06-2014 02:46 PM

These guys are just angry about the CP couple´s "left-socialist" ideas because these are against their own poltical (conservative) conviction.
The monarchy IS a democratic institution, as long as supported by a majority!

Al_bina 05-06-2014 02:59 PM

I am surprised to see the Crown Princely couple drawing the ire of local politicians. If Crown Prince Haakon and his spouse crossed the line, they should be advised to tone down their stance.

wartenberg7 05-06-2014 03:33 PM

I´m not sure they would listen...? I assume they have very strong principles about certain issues they won´t allow others to interfere.

Marengo 05-06-2014 05:36 PM

TBH I think that royals should stay away from most polemic things if they want to make the institute survive and serve a purpose. Since they need to be above party politics and debates and serve as a unifying element for a country, they should keep their opinions to themselves.

ROYAL NORWAY 05-06-2014 05:41 PM

The Monarchy here in Norway is more popular than it has been for a long time, and it is popular support that counts. The monarchy has been debated several times, it's nothing new. King Harald, Queen Sonja, Crown Prince Haakon and Crown Princess Mette-Marit enjoys big support in both the population and in the media. Several experts say that putting the monarchy on the agenda vill be political suicide. Haakon and Mette Marit has strong opinions, but has never interfered in political matters. The matter now is that some politicians has expressed themselves in a ridiculous book called republic of Norway.

Al_bina 05-06-2014 08:16 PM

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Originally Posted by wartenberg7 (Post 1663185)
I´m not sure they would listen...? I assume they have very strong principles about certain issues they won´t allow others to interfere.

Well ... Applying von Clausewitz, “If the enemy is to be coerced, you must put him in a situation that is even more unpleasant than the sacrifice you call on him to make". If and when any stance of Crown Prince Haakon and Crown Princess Mette-Marit were really and truly to undermine the institution, they could be given choices, in which toning down the very strong principles would be the least of two evils. Fortunately Norway is a stable country that gives the couple in question a considerable latitude.


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