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GlitteringTiaras 04-28-2008 06:55 PM

Marie's Danish Lessons
 
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Originally Posted by princess leonor (Post 759527)
Thanks for the article GlitteringTiaras. Can you maybe translate part of it for the non-danish readers among us :innocent:


When I have a chance, no problem. Unless someone else would like to do the honors?:biggrin:

There is another article and cover shot of Marie on this week's Se og Hor. Now they are claiming that she isn't really interested in learning Danish. Allegedly she noted that so far, hence since her engagement announcement back in October, she has only recieved six hours of Danish lessons a month. I believe it came from her interview with Point du Vue magazine in which she stated:

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In practice how did things go?

With regard to the language, for instance, I have to admit that I haven't made much progress. It must be said that my courses take place in Copenhagen while I spent most of my time at Schackenborg, Joachim's castle, which is not very near the capital. Which made that for the moment because of spending only about 6 hours per month on learning the language, I have just mastered the basics. It's a very difficult language, it has a very special pronounciation. But it doesn't worry me too much: once I will get immersed in the country; everything will go very fast then, I think.
I sure hope it is simple a language barrier translation thingy or something even though "allegedly" the interview was in French. Then translated into Danish. Anyway...apparently, Se og Hor is P.O.'d about this noting that she is essentially giving the "friendly finger" to the Danes and demostrating her sheer laziness and attitude towards the Danish people, culture, and language.

They sure are stretching it. Why they are so hell bent on sticking it to Marie is beyond me. Personally speaking, it is quite clear they don't like her, and are making darn sure she and everyone else in Denmark knows it. So childish.:rolleyes:

norwegianne 04-29-2008 03:36 AM

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Originally Posted by GlitteringTiaras (Post 759643)
I sure hope it is simple a language barrier translation thingy or something even though "allegedly" the interview was in French. Then translated into Danish. Anyway...apparently, Se og Hor is P.O.'d about this noting that she is essentially giving the "friendly finger" to the Danes and demostrating her sheer laziness and attitude towards the Danish people, culture, and language.

They sure are stretching it. Why they are so hell bent on sticking it to Marie is beyond me. Personally speaking, it is quite clear they don't like her, and are making darn sure she and everyone else in Denmark knows it. So childish.:rolleyes:

It's typical Se & Hør behaviour, really. They'll do the same thing to anyone, (and have) if they can sell some extra magazines from it.

I think it is an interesting case, though, because it makes it obvious that even if the basic facts are the same - some will take it and say "Marie isn't learning Danish" whereas others will take it and say "Wonderful, Marie is learning Danish.". :ermm: It's been the same with all the members of the royal family (as well as other celebrities) who end up featuring in both Se & Hør and Billedbladet. There aren't really all that many "middle road" kind of magazines in Denmark.

Princess Robijn 04-29-2008 07:56 AM

Ofcourse by saying she hasn't many lessons yet, people won't expect that much of her Danish.

GlitteringTiaras 05-01-2008 01:39 AM

Here is another article in regards to Marie and her skills at learning the Danish language. Just like Se og Hor, this magazine BT isn't all that impressed with her. I guess they too are jumping on the bandwagon. Besides the article the photo of her is beautiful.

ashelen 05-02-2008 12:29 AM

how is possible she does not bother to learn danish, it is the first thing she should do, if she will be a princess indenmark is the least she can do! this thing that the house is far it is not excuse! como on she has all the mony and power now for getting the things easy for her, do like maxima get a private tuttor! sorry if i look upset, i am not but i think she should to try to show a little bit more interested.

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norwegianne 05-05-2008 04:03 AM

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Originally Posted by Princess Robijn (Post 759789)
Ofcourse by saying she hasn't many lessons yet, people won't expect that much of her Danish.

That's definitely one way to look at it. Honestly, with the way the press was blowing up Mary's Danish knowledge before the engagement, without any solid knowledge, it would naturally lead to disappointment from Ekstrabladet/Se&Hør in retrospect. By deflating this now, I suppose the expectations on Marie might be lower. :ermm:

Princess Robijn 05-05-2008 06:17 AM

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Originally Posted by norwegianne (Post 762031)
That's definitely one way to look at it. Honestly, with the way the press was blowing up Mary's Danish knowledge before the engagement, without any solid knowledge, it would naturally lead to disappointment from Ekstrabladet/Se&Hør in retrospect. By deflating this now, I suppose the expectations on Marie might be lower. :ermm:

That was my point :flowers: I do hope it's that, because otherwise Marie would have a really bad start, both in Denmark (not speaking the language) as with the Danish people. (A Princess who doesn't "want" to learn the language well.)

I'm not saying that's what Danish people would think, I'm saying it's what the could think.

Josette

msleiman 05-05-2008 07:40 AM

I really think that learn Danish should have been Marie most important task. I know that the wedding is up there, but she will have to speak with with the Danish people for the rest of her life. The wedding day is only one day. Go to your Danish lessons Marie.:rofl:

madeleine victoria 05-05-2008 10:14 AM

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Originally Posted by msleiman (Post 762068)
I really think that learn Danish should have been Marie most important task. I know that the wedding is up there, but she will have to speak with with the Danish people for the rest of her life. The wedding day is only one day. Go to your Danish lessons Marie.:rofl:

Yep, I quite agree. Learn the language and I'm pretty sure she will be loved by the Danes. THat's the first step she should take into consideration. ;)

princess gertrude 05-05-2008 12:44 PM

IMO, this makes me think more highly of Princess Mary, simply because, although not fluent when they announced their engagement, she could at least speak a little. It's almost 2 weeks before their marriage and it seems to me that she is not very concerned with learning the language. Also, like I've said previously, she's been dating him for what seems like forever, HELLO, let's get a clue there Marie!! Speaking from experience, my mother in law is Japanese, yet lives her in America and has for 30 years and is fluent in English, but I did learn at least a couple of phrases in Japanese. No real reason to except to see her smile. If it had been me, I'd have learned Danish long ago. Like was stated earlier, hire a private tutor!

ashelen 05-05-2008 03:40 PM

yes with all the money that they have what they are waiting for a private tuttor like maxima, i said this befor and i insist , i am even surprise the queen doesn't take action!!!! what's the matter with them????

BurberryBrit 05-05-2008 05:59 PM

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Originally Posted by princess gertrude (Post 762140)
IMO, this makes me think more highly of Princess Mary, simply because, although not fluent when they announced their engagement, she could at least speak a little. It's almost 2 weeks before their marriage and it seems to me that she is not very concerned with learning the language. Also, like I've said previously, she's been dating him for what seems like forever, HELLO, let's get a clue there Marie!! Speaking from experience, my mother in law is Japanese, yet lives her in America and has for 30 years and is fluent in English, but I did learn at least a couple of phrases in Japanese. No real reason to except to see her smile. If it had been me, I'd have learned Danish long ago. Like was stated earlier, hire a private tutor!

And Mary had never undertaken another language other than English! Marie is already multilingual so I would think she knows what it takes to get really good. I think though that she and Joachim mainly speak French to each other (like Mary and Fred said before that they speak mainly English together). I just remember that cute picture of Mary with a stack of Danish books. :flowers:

ashelen 05-05-2008 10:36 PM

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Originally Posted by BurberryBrit (Post 762259)
And Mary had never undertaken another language other than English! Marie is already multilingual so I would think she knows what it takes to get really good. I think though that she and Joachim mainly speak French to each other (like Mary and Fred said before that they speak mainly English together). I just remember that cute picture of Mary with a stack of Danish books. :flowers:

what other languages Marie speaks? do you still have that cute photo of Mary?

GlitteringTiaras 05-05-2008 11:06 PM

English, Spanish, and Italian allegedly.

Madame Royale 05-05-2008 11:23 PM

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And Mary had never undertaken another language other than English
On a technicality, she did. French, in highschool...:biggrin:

MARG 05-05-2008 11:57 PM

Having just warped back in time to a photo of Mary's engagement ring taken at the anouncement of the engagement on the Mary - Jewelry thread, I was a little bemused/amused to find that just under it was a caustic post regarding Mary's lack of fluency in Danish when she had been living in Denmark for 14 months! :ermm:

By those rules I believe Marie is still entitled to be cut a little slack. :flowers:

norwegianne 05-06-2008 02:41 AM

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Originally Posted by MARG (Post 762325)
Having just warped back in time to a photo of Mary's engagement ring taken at the anouncement of the engagement on the Mary - Jewelry thread, I was a little bemused/amused to find that just under it was a caustic post regarding Mary's lack of fluency in Danish when she had been living in Denmark for 14 months! :ermm:

By those rules I believe Marie is still entitled to be cut a little slack. :flowers:

Indeed. I think there is a difference between living in Denmark and living in Geneva when it comes to learning Danish. :whistling:

That being said, I remember the court coming out and talking about their programme for learning Mary about Denmark and teaching her Danish, allegedly the same programme they used for Alexandra. (Reading Danish books, watching Danish shows like Matador, etc. only speaking Danish) I wonder if they're still using it to teach Marie…

GlitteringTiaras 05-06-2008 02:47 AM

Yes, but aren't her lessons physically in Denmark? She said it herself in various interviews so far that she's in Denmark on the weekends. Every weekend. Wouldn't it be a nice added bonus to have additional lessons in Geneva... then when the weekend rolls along more lessons in, you guessed it, Denmark?

Jus' sayin...:smile:

ricarda 05-06-2008 06:04 AM


The keypoint of any successful integration - not only for a princess - is the language. And therefore I would have thought that Marie studies Danish 6 hours a day (I would if I were in her shoes, I must admit I was disappointed by her statement).

And IMO Marie has 1 thing against her: Frenchman Henrik hasn't managed to master the language to the Dane's satisfaction and therefore was accused of not being interested enough. And now comes Frenchwoman Marie and tells a French magazine that she only has 6 Danish lessons a month?

Bad idea. I can already see the critical articles about her language skills 14 months from now. :whistling:


MARG 05-06-2008 06:13 AM

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Originally Posted by ricarda (Post 762393)
. . . .I can already see the critical articles about her language skills 14 months from now.

And she will still have only just reached the point that Mary had when her engagement was announced, meanwhile Marie will have had the added advantage of "full immersion" language study. :whistling:

ricarda 05-06-2008 06:23 AM

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Originally Posted by MARG (Post 762396)
And she will still have only just reached the point that Mary had when her engagement was announced, :whistling:

Actually she will not, you have to add the 8 engagement months which Marie obviously did not use to full advantage.

MARG 05-06-2008 06:31 AM

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Originally Posted by ricarda (Post 762402)
Actually she will not, you have to add the 8 engagement months which Marie obviously did not use to full advantage.

Those months were not spent living in Denmark? Or were they? :flowers:

ricarda 05-06-2008 07:02 AM

Well, you said she will have reached the point that Mary had at her engagement.
14 months from now Marie will have had 14 months spent in DK plus 8 months she could have used for extensive Danish lessons (although only living in DK every second week) - which Mary had not.

But I don't want to start a fight. Hopefully 14 months from now - after Marie had the advantage of "full immersion" language study in DK - her Danish will be so satisfying that there won't be any critical articles.:smile:

Xeara 05-06-2008 07:16 AM

I think clever Marie is playing a very smart game...I think she is being coy and downplaying how much work she has actually done in learning Danish, so when we finally hear her give her first speech in Danish listening with our low expectation ears...we are going to fall of our chairs at just how brilliant she actually is...I think she has an aptitude for languages, being European and already knowing 3-4...whereas Mary being Australian (like me) is only exposed to one language, English and so making it difficult to learn a second...

Because if Marie was saying things like, yes I have had lots of lessons and am doing quite well and I think I am fabulous at speaking Danish...we would have slashed her down like the tall poppy she is and her language skills would become secondary to her arrogance and over-confidence and cockiness...

So really the poor girl can't win either way and we will just have to wait and see how Princess Marie Agathe of Denmark surprises us all :)

GlitteringTiaras 05-06-2008 12:20 PM

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I think clever Marie is playing a very smart game...I think she is being coy and downplaying how much work she has actually done in learning Danish, so when we finally hear her give her first speech in Danish listening with our low expectation ears...we are going to fall of our chairs at just how brilliant she actually is...I think she has an aptitude for languages, being European and already knowing 3-4...whereas Mary being Australian (like me) is only exposed to one language, English and so making it difficult to learn a second...

Because if Marie was saying things like, yes I have had lots of lessons and am doing quite well and I think I am fabulous at speaking Danish...we would have slashed her down like the tall poppy she is and her language skills would become secondary to her arrogance and over-confidence and cockiness...

So really the poor girl can't win either way and we will just have to wait and see how Princess Marie Agathe of Denmark surprises us all :)
Soooo, when shall I start holding my breath?:biggrin:

Madame Royale 05-06-2008 01:01 PM

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whereas Mary being Australian
I'm Australian and I know two languages fluently and one not so fluently..haha..What's your point, sweetheart? And your only around two and a half hours from me...:flowers:

Amelia 05-08-2008 04:54 PM

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Which made that for the moment because of spending only about 6 hours per month on learning the language, I have just mastered the basics. It's a very difficult language, it has a very special pronounciation. But it doesn't worry me too much: once I will get immersed in the country; everything will go very fast then, I think.
Marie saying that she has only 6 hours of lessons a month makes it come across as though she is uninterested in learning the language, it probably would of been better for her to say that she was taking lessons but it is a difficult language and once she is living in Denmark she thinks it will come faster.

norwegianne 05-09-2008 09:15 AM

Recent interview in Billedbladet about preparations for the wedding, and the quote from her about learning Danish:
"I've laughed a lot with my Danish teachers, and it is a funny language to learn. It's much more different than the other languages I speak. Most Danes think it is very difficult to learn the language, but so far I'm very hopeful. It's a very soft language, and the grammar is luckily not very difficult. Unfortunately the pronunciation can be a bit difficult.

It is always easier to learn a new language when you're living in the country. I can notice that when I've been in Denmark for a few weeks, it is much easier. Then I begin to watch television and listen to the radio. But when I get to Geneva, I forget it quickly again. It is like that with all languages.

But I hope the Danes will be patient with me.

To learn Danish is going to be one of my biggest tasks. The least you can do is to learn the language of the country you're moving to."

GlitteringTiaras 05-09-2008 12:50 PM

Aw, how lovely. Good for you, Marie.

Al_bina 05-09-2008 03:45 PM

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Ms. Cavallier has got a very peculiar attitude toward the language she has to speak during official engagements and other engagements she may undertakes with alone or with Prince Joachim. I hope that she will master Danish much faster living in Denmark full time.:smile:

Jo of Palatine 05-10-2008 08:30 AM

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Originally Posted by Al_bina (Post 763870)
Ms. Cavallier has got a very peculiar attitude toward the language she has to speak during official engagements and other engagements she may undertakes with alone or with Prince Joachim. I hope that she will master Danish much faster living in Denmark full time.:smile:

I wonder if you ever heard French people trying to speak German? It sounds definately peculiar because there is such a huge difference between the way sounds are formed in German and in French plus the melody of the language is so different. I've heard Danish is even more difficult to pronounce than German, so I doubt she will succeed in tuning into her new language.

Al_bina 05-10-2008 11:06 AM

I have never heard French people speaking German, but I have seen my cousin mastering Swedish. In addition to the above, my cousin and me have learnt the English language, which is totally different from the Russian one. We did go through endless tedium to acquire some coveted knowledge as well as our parents paid for private tutors. So I do know how challenging it can be to learn a foreign language from my personal experience.
I believe that it takes determination to succeed in attaining goals and objectives set. Thus, Prince Joachim's support and Ms.Cavalleir's determination may help her with learning Danish.

BurberryBrit 05-10-2008 06:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Xeara (Post 762418)
I think clever Marie is playing a very smart game...I think she is being coy and downplaying how much work she has actually done in learning Danish, so when we finally hear her give her first speech in Danish listening with our low expectation ears...we are going to fall of our chairs at just how brilliant she actually is...

I doubt it.

Martha 05-10-2008 10:29 PM

She has a difficult task, because to learn Danish is not easy.I think so.

lyndaW 05-12-2008 02:26 PM

I would guess French is spoken with Joachim,the Queen,Prince Henrik & Frederick with Marie.
After the wedding I would hope that Joachim & other family members, friends and servants go out of their way to speak Danish to Marie and in that way she will learn so much faster (if she wants to know what is going on). If everyone continues to speak French to her they will hinder her ability to learn Danish.

missjane 05-20-2008 08:01 AM

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Originally Posted by GlitteringTiaras (Post 763792)
Aw, how lovely. Good for you, Marie.

You are a funny one.:lol::lol::flowers:

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Originally Posted by lyndaW (Post 764789)
I would guess French is spoken with Joachim,the Queen,Prince Henrik & Frederick with Marie.
After the wedding I would hope that Joachim & other family members, friends and servants go out of their way to speak Danish to Marie and in that way she will learn so much faster (if she wants to know what is going on). If everyone continues to speak French to her they will hinder her ability to learn Danish.

I agree with you, in the pre wedding documentary, she dosen't appear to even attempt to speak danish that much. But maybe the pressure for her to learn the language is not as intense as it was for Mary, what with her being the future Crown Princess.

MargreteI 05-20-2008 02:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Al_bina (Post 764106)
I have never heard French people speaking German, but I have seen my cousin mastering Swedish. In addition to the above, my cousin and me have learnt the English language, which is totally different from the Russian one. We did go through endless tedium to acquire some coveted knowledge as well as our parents paid for private tutors. So I do know how challenging it can be to learn a foreign language from my personal experience.
I believe that it takes determination to succeed in attaining goals and objectives set. Thus, Prince Joachim's support and Ms.Cavalleir's determination may help her with learning Danish.

Swedish is quite different from danish in terms of pronounciation and it is the pronounciation that cause problems for many foreigners. Not the grammer. Pronounciation is even more difficult for a french. As is french for a dane.

Another issue is the distance between spoken danish and written danish. How it is written is not what you will be hearing. Endings are being swallowed or altered, letters are ignored or pronauciated like another letter then it actually is. Words written differently are spoken as were they the same and words written the same are pronounced differently and so the list goes on.

Add to that the multible meanings af the same word. We are very economic with words, which create interesting pittfalls for foreigners. :biggrin:

It is not impossible, but it takes more time then other languages require. :smile:
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Al_bina 05-20-2008 03:12 PM

It has been most kind of you to inform me of specifics of the Danish language. A host of reasons prompts to people to learn various foreign languages. People master the Chinese language, which is one of the most difficult in the world. :rolleyes: I am sure foreigners living in Denmark master the language and acquire acceptable pronunciation without complaining about difficulties. The bottom line is that it takes determination to succeed in polishing pronunciation.

pamk 05-20-2008 03:20 PM

It may be a good thing that Joachim and Marie will be living far away from Copenhagen - the temptations of the city might hinder Marie's learning of Danish.
Couldn't she have purchased a Berlitz Danis language program - used tapes or CDs?
Pop those into a tape or CD player and listen to them night and day - that would help!

Jo of Palatine 05-21-2008 05:48 AM

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Originally Posted by pamk (Post 768704)
It may be a good thing that Joachim and Marie will be living far away from Copenhagen - the temptations of the city might hinder Marie's learning of Danish.
Couldn't she have purchased a Berlitz Danis language program - used tapes or CDs?
Pop those into a tape or CD player and listen to them night and day - that would help!

You cans ee in the Tv documentary that she has in addition to her language lessons a learning program on her laptop with an accompanying book.

randomlyKeira 05-21-2008 06:57 PM

I was wondering, in "Danish Lessons" wouldn't she be learning a bit more than just the language? Shouldn't she be learning history, culture, etc?

I only ask because I know that from country to country curriculum changes, so even though she was educated in international schools, shouldn't she know a bit about the country? I woudln't want her coming into my school and speaking in my classes becasue I would be thinking that this woman knew absolutely nothing about our lessons (as I said: history, culture, etc.)... Maybe I'm a bit more obsessive about it though...

Amelia 05-22-2008 07:18 AM

If you watch the documentary about Marie you can see her learning, and talking, about the history of Denmark, the Royal Family etc. :flowers:

> dr.dk tv - Det vil jeg se!

Jo of Palatine 05-22-2008 07:48 AM

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Originally Posted by randomlyKeira (Post 769310)
I was wondering, in "Danish Lessons" wouldn't she be learning a bit more than just the language? Shouldn't she be learning history, culture, etc?

I only ask because I know that from country to country curriculum changes, so even though she was educated in international schools, shouldn't she know a bit about the country? I woudln't want her coming into my school and speaking in my classes becasue I would be thinking that this woman knew absolutely nothing about our lessons (as I said: history, culture, etc.)... Maybe I'm a bit more obsessive about it though...

No, she thinks so as well, you could see in the documentary. She told the interviewer that she thinks it is really important to learn about the Danish culture and history, mostly from books, but Joachim took her to a lot of historical buildings where she had a guided tour. You could see on more than one occasion that she had previous knowledge learned from books because when the guide started explaining a detail, she provided additional and correct information of her own, so she had read about the place before actually visiting it. She really was happy when she was presented with a DVD eg of the Danish main cathedral and found that the explanation was both in Danish and French. She said she wanted to listen to the text in both languages in order to practise her Danish. It really sounded genuine.

Plus you could see from the questions she asked that she is genuinely trying to learn about Denmark - she explained that she really wants to become a part of the Royal family and thus a part of Denmark, so she has to learn as much as she can. As she said, she is going to become a Danish citizen and as thus she must have the knowledge of a Danish citizen.

While I think it is sad that Nikolai and Felix don't yet speak a bit of French, as their father is half-french. Marie has to speak in English with the boys, so I guess they don't understand French. But her English is really good, like many French living in Switzerland she speaks a bit slowly but very correct English.

Jo of Palatine 05-22-2008 09:51 AM

Obviously Marie already speaks Danish im public:

Marie talte dansk

randomlyKeira 05-22-2008 01:51 PM

Thank you! I haven't seen the documentary yet, but I'll definitely watch it...

I'm glad that she seems genuine about learning the language and the culture. I think that just that will prove her a good princess, if she is genuinely in love with the country...

Angeline 05-25-2008 01:15 PM

I think she has plenty of time to learn the language and the culture and I hope she enjoys the journey with her new husband and family. She obviously has had so much to do and maybe language is not so easy for her? Daily use will be great!

Emeralds and Opals 03-08-2009 09:29 PM

http://www.cphpost.dk/culture/cultur...the-lingo.html

rylt11 09-17-2009 08:54 PM

Marie is beginning to pick up patronages, and, as she does, she will have more opportunity to speak and expand her Danish. The literature awards were announced today, and, though involving French, will be another opportunity to launch her into some Danish with the public. All good. Slowly, slowly.

Sereta 09-22-2009 06:44 PM

I'm sure Marie will learn the language in time. It's not easy learning a foreign language but hopefully she will work hard and stick with it and will get it eventually. Afterall Mary was able to master it, so Marie will to.

rylt11 09-22-2009 10:34 PM

Yes, slowly but surely. She'll understand more than actually speak at first, but the whole thing will come together. Mary is so much in the public that she had little choice in the matter. With Marie, it may be a little different.

CyrilVladisla 04-08-2014 08:08 PM

Who were Marie's Danish language teachers?

Muhler 04-09-2014 04:01 AM

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Originally Posted by CyrilVladisla (Post 1655514)
Who were Marie's Danish language teachers?

IIRC (and I probably don't) our Marie had the same two teachers as Mary, but not for so long.

Claudette 06-01-2014 05:25 AM

Interesting comments from the above. I agree that learning the language as quickly as possible not only shows respect for her adopted country and its people but would also endear her to them. As an aside, can someone tell me how tall Marie is. Thanks


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