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anirac 07-27-2007 12:30 PM

'Lèse Majesté', Insults and Protests against the Royal Family
 
The judiciary of Amsterdam go to law with a 47year old man, who insult the Queen. He said towards the police: "I hate your Queen. The Queen of the Netherlands is whore." And then he told about the things he would do with her (in sexual sense). The man is going to accuse of lèse-majesté.


P.S. It is not Hans Teeuwen:biggrin:

lucien 07-30-2007 12:10 PM

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Originally Posted by anirac (Post 646043)
Oh My GOD!!!


By the way:

The judiciary of Amsterdam go to law with a 47year old man, who insult the Queen. He said towards the police: "I hate your Queen. The Queen of the Netherlands is whore." And then he told about the things he would do with her (in sexual sense). The man is going to accuse of lèse-majesté.


P.S. It is not Hans Teeuwen:biggrin:

Instead of the maximum of 5 years imprisonement and a 12.000 euro fine,he got away with 7 days imprisonement and a 400 euro fine.

The first time in many many years someone was convicted in a case of lèse-majesté.

And,no,it wasn't Hans Teeuwen,as the smuck said;"Your Queen" it must be a foreigner,or one that benefits from what he has here and forgets to be gratefull,anyway,they didn't even release so much as initials of the guy,it might prompt people to utter politically incorrect remarks towards a certain branch of inhabitants.

Henri M. 07-30-2007 01:15 PM

crimen læsæ Maiestatis
 
There have been quite a number of penalties in the latest years. The Judges are less soft then they were in the decades before. It fits in the general increase of toughness on crime in the Netherlands. In the Netherlands Penal Code you can find three articles on crimen læsæ Maiestatis:

Article 111:

Intentional insulting of The King is prosecutable with a detention of maximum 5 years and/or a monetary fine of the fourth category.

Article 112:
Intentional insulting of the spouse of The King, the Heir Apparent and the spouse of the Heir Apparent is prosecutable with a detention of maximum 4 years and/or a monetary fine of the fourth category.

Article 113:
He who openly distributes written or imagined contents in which an insult is made of The King, the spouse of The King, the Heir Apparent, the spouse of the Heir Apparent or the Regent, or has these in stock and is aware of the insulting content of it, is prosecutable with a detention of maximum 1 year and/or a monetary fine of the third category.

Marengo 07-31-2007 09:33 AM

I believe the man is from Surinam. Apart from insulting the Queen he made rascist remarks about white people in general. I believe the man was drunk and/or on Drugs, rather sad.
The fine of 400 euros is absolutely rediculous, the guy had to be dragged to court, so IMHO he should at least cover those expenses. Like this I think the lese-majesty is just a hollow phrase, which is best abolished as it clearly is not enforced.

Marengo 08-02-2007 03:26 PM

From DutchNews.nl brings daily news from The Netherlands in English:

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Young reporter arrested for insulting queen

Wednesday 01 August 2007
A 17-year old journalist and a cameraman from internet magazine Spunk were arrested on Dam square in Amsterdam on Tuesday evening, on charges of insulting queen Beatrix.
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read the entire of the article here.

BeatrixFan 08-02-2007 03:34 PM

Anyone from a magazine of that name was bound to be trouble.

Marengo 08-02-2007 04:00 PM

It actually a website, Spunk, they organised several parties in Amsterdam, a bit underground/artsy. I believe the son of Mathijs van Nieuwkerk (the man who recently interviewed Princess Mabel) is one of the editors at the moment.

lucien 08-02-2007 06:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Marengo (Post 648677)
From DutchNews.nl brings daily news from The Netherlands in English:

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Young reporter arrested for insulting queen

Wednesday 01 August 2007
A 17-year old journalist and a cameraman from internet magazine Spunk were arrested on Dam square in Amsterdam on Tuesday evening, on charges of insulting queen Beatrix.
--

read the entire of the article here.

Lucky people I didn't see them first.Honestly,very lucky indeed.

susan alicia 08-03-2007 03:57 AM

nu.nl/algemeen | 'Hogere straf majesteitsschennis onaanvaardbaar'

constitutional law expert Peter Rehwinkel has opened a discussion about the difference in punishment between insulting the queen and a civilian. Two people have recently been arrested for calling Beatrix a whore and another for wearing a simular message on her tshirt. For insulting the queen the punishment is max 5 years and for insulting a civilian between 2 months and max 2 years.

Henri M. 08-03-2007 02:33 PM

No majority in the Chamber to change Crimen laesae Majestatis
 
The majority in the Second Chamber of the States-General does not want to change the present articles in the Netherlands Penal Code on Crimen læsæ Majestatis.

Mr. Peter Rehwinkel, a prominent juridician and expert on the monarchy has asked in an opinion why crimes or insults against The King should be punished more than crimes against others? Of course he rejects any insult against Queen Beatrix, but asks himself if it is wise to keep that difference in penalties.?

Also the spouse of The King, the Heir Apparent, the spouse of the Heir Apparent and the Regent are protected by the articles on Crimen læsæ Majestatis.

Reason for the biggest party in the Chamber (the Christian Democrats) to block any change to these articles: "It is not about insulting a Mrs. Van Oranje-Nassau. It is about insulting the Head of State. Symbol for everything the Netherlands wants to be: a decent country where people treat each other with respect."

Reason for the biggest party in the opposition (Socialistic Party), to have understanding for the difference in penalty when the Queen is insulted: due to the ministerial responsiblity The Queen can not defend herself. Senator Van Raak (Socialistic Party) adds to this: "Of course it would be better when The Queen herself is no part of the Government. Then we have solved the problem as well."

In the Netherlands, in contrary to most other monarchies, The Queen is an integral part of the Government. She does not stand above it. She is in it:

Constutution of the Kingdom of the Netherlands
Section 2
The King and the Ministers

Article 42

(1) The Government shall comprise of The King and the Ministers.

(2) The King is inviolable. The ministers are responsible.

Marengo 03-26-2008 04:28 AM

In Dordrecht a 45 y/o man has been convicted to 4 months in prison for insulting the Queen. The man was not convicted for threatening the Queen. He said that he would put a bullit in the Queens head, but as the man was drunk at the time of the remark the court did not find it a 'realistic' threat.

Note that he also insulted & threatened the police and members of the the salvation army, which is probably the main reason for the 4 months emprisonment.

Marengo 04-25-2008 04:20 AM

Queen Beatrix 'Hanged' on Anarchist Poster; April 2008
 
The Anarchistic Group Amsterdam is using a poster of a blindfolded Queen Beatrix hanging from a gallow and with the text 'Death to the Queen' to promote a party they have on 29 April.

The PVV party wanted a debate about this in parlament but found no support. VVD member Fred Teeuwen called the poster 'tasteless' but thought it was a matter for the police and the public prosecutor, not for parlament. Green-Left leader Femke Halsema had a simular opinion.

PVV parlamentarian Brinkman wants to forbid the entire anarchist group, he suspects that the party will be organised from the squatershouse 'Vrankrijk' on Spuistraat in Amsterdam.

To be continued, no doubt...

lucien 04-25-2008 07:17 AM

Lesée Majestée of the worst possible nature!:furious::furious::furious::furious:
Unheard of and not to be tolerated.
As most of these scum bags at Vrankrijkare international misfits,including ETA sympathisers,no,no joke but true,
ask Marengo,kick all of that scum out of our country!!Tolerance,YES,abuse of tolerance,HECK NO,never again.

To be continued,but not for long,if it was up to me.

Like I said,let the marines move into action in a spontaneous way again,like they did decades ago whiping
the National Monument on the Dam Square free of scum,unexpectedly.

I'm not too much right-wing,no PVV nor TON,but jeez,would I love to be part of that action.:hotwater::hotwater::hotwater::greatidea:

No more BS,sub-zero tolerance at once,immediatly!!!

Hope those whiners in The Hague (parliament/gov.) get the message,before it is delivered at their doorstep.:headache::sleeping:

Marengo 04-25-2008 08:37 AM

The politicians won't do anything in this matter I think, and quite rightly so as the police/public office should decide what to do in this matter, not the piliticians.

I have little sympathy for these anarchists/squaters. though I have met several of them (and they were quite friendly) their organisation is used for ETA and even FARC. And the way some squaters are treating the police (sabotaging houses so the police will get injured) and such are criminal too. I am usually wondering why the city of Amsterdam doesn't do much against these criminals, I suppose the squaters movement has this romantic image from the 60-ties and many babyboomers that are now in power still think they are as harmless as in those days.

The poster will probably be defended with the 'freedom of expression' argument, though it puzzles me what they want to express. In over-all I think actions like these aren't very bright of the squaters. Dutch society has made a firm move to the right (still moving) so there will be more and more voices that want the city/goverment to do something against them when they misbehave.

lucien 04-25-2008 10:58 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Marengo (Post 758455)
The politicians won't do anything in this matter I think, and quite rightly so as the police/public office should decide what to do in this matter, not the piliticians.

I have little sympathy for these anarchists/squaters. though I have met several of them (and they were quite friendly) their organisation is used for ETA and even FARC. And the way some squaters are treating the police (sabotaging houses so the police will get injured) and such are criminal too. I am usually wondering why the city of Amsterdam doesn't do much against these criminals, I suppose the squaters movement has this romantic image from the 60-ties and many babyboomers that are now in power still think they are as harmless as in those days.

The poster will probably be defended with the 'freedom of expression' argument, though it puzzles me what they want to express. In over-all I think actions like these aren't very bright of the squaters. Dutch society has made a firm move to the right (still moving) so there will be more and more voices that want the city/goverment to do something against them when they misbehave.

The municipality of Amsterdam?They're too chicken,or downright cowardice,and not just on this subject.
Btw,squatters,it's the pet memory for quiet a few at the Stopera and it's "soviets".

What they try to express?Nothing besides creating havoc,damage and injury.

Freedom of expression,my foot.This abuse of that freedom,so cherished by all of us,so abused by many that
don't have any legal reason for staying here.at all.whatshowever.

And they're monitored by the AIVD?Big deal.Round them up ruthlously,immediatly.This nonsense has been going on far too long and it's all getting far too "normal",like it's part of life.Well,not my life,not in our country.

Empress 04-25-2008 11:05 AM

Well, I have to say, having lived in the Netherlands, and spent quite alot of time on the Spuistraat (I used to live on the Singel, 2 doors down from Yab Yum) that I never understood the Dutch mentality towards squatters. I don't think that they should have any rights what so ever. But that is my opinion.

lucien 04-25-2008 11:11 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Empress (Post 758502)
Well, I have to say, having lived in the Netherlands, and spent quite alot of time on the Spuistraat (I used to live on the Singel, 2 doors down from Yab Yum) that I never understood the Dutch mentality towards squatters. I don't think that they should have any rights what so ever. But that is my opinion.

My thoughts exactly!

2 Doors do...oh,well,you were in a great & lively neighbourhood :cool:

Almost a memory too,as they,the soviets at the Stopera have decided to close down on
much of these "pleasure palaces",the entire district if possible.

They do not know what they are doing.Again.

Marengo 05-06-2015 03:58 PM

From Dutchnews.nl:

Quote:

F*** the king demonstrator taken to court for insulting the monarchy

May 6, 2015
An anti-monarchy campaigner is being take to court for insulting the Dutch royal family at a rally in Amsterdam last year.

[...]

Al-Jaberi is being prosecuted for lèse-majesté, which means the crime of ‘violating majesty’ – an offence against the dignity of the monarch. The Netherlands is one of the few country’s in Europe to have such a crime, for which the maximum sentence is five years in jail.
Read more here: F*** the king demonstrator taken to court for insulting the monarch (updated) - DutchNews.nl

Jacknch 05-06-2015 04:10 PM

:previous:

So his lawyer wants to call the King and Queen as witnesses to see if they felt offended?!

Al-Jaberi and his lawyer should both be frog-marched up to the Palace and made to apologise - Al-Jaberi for being rude and his lawyer for being stupid!

I am all for freedom of speech, but not if someone said that about me!

Marengo 05-06-2015 04:16 PM

They obviously want to get as much press as possible, in which they succeeded. I doubt the offender is very unhappy with the attention, quite the contrary.

I doubt that anything or anybody is served with this law. Certainly not the king or the monarchy. The mayor of Amsterdam said that the he thought the king found this law as rediculous and outdated as everybody else. The mayor did admit that the remarks were 'hoogst ordinair' (highly vulgar). But by this action these words get much more attention than they normally would. I am quite sure that many will twitter them as a protest of some sort.


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