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Lecen 01-23-2008 09:50 AM

Are the Orleans-Braganza in the line of succession to the French throne?
 
Read a text abou the Pacte du Famille from 1909 when supposedly the Orleans-Braganza were accepted in the line of succession tot he french throne.

Link: The 1909 "Pacte de Famille" of the House of Orléans

So, I have three questions:

1) Did the Head of the Royal House give the title "Prince of Orleans-Braganza" to every single male-born child of this branch, no more it´s nationality, type of marraige, etc...?

2) Are the Orleans-Braganza accepted by french to be in the line of succession?

3) What are your thoughts on the subject?

Thribette 01-31-2008 10:58 AM

This pact of family is made only in the topic of the orleanist point of view. To them, the Orléans-Braganza are not successible as gone to a foreign country.

As I am a legitimist, I consider them successible to the French throne, after all the descendance of Louis XIV (about 70 princes), after the elder line of Orléans, and before the line of the Orléans-Galliera.

The former duke of Anjou and Cádiz, considered that all members of the House of Bourbons (Orléans included) who lacked another title, could be called "princes of Bourbon", or "princes of Orléans", etc. I don't think this is official.

Lecen 01-31-2008 11:11 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Thribette (Post 723849)
This pact of family is made only in the topic of the orleanist point of view. To them, the Orléans-Braganza are not successible as gone to a foreign country.

As I am a legitimist, I consider them successible to the French throne, after all the descendance of Louis XIV (about 70 princes), after the elder line of Orléans, and before the line of the Orléans-Galliera.

The former duke of Anjou and Cádiz, considered that all members of the House of Bourbons (Orléans included) who lacked another title, could be called "princes of Bourbon", or "princes of Orléans", etc. I don't think this is official.

Oh no, my question is not about legitimist vs. orleanist.

I just want to know if the Orleans-Braganza are or not in the line of succession.

And more: was it or not created the title "Prince of Orleans-Braganza" created for them?

Thribette 01-31-2008 03:10 PM

Please, excuse me for not having been clear enough, an for my bad English.
The Orléans Braganza are in the line of succession for the legitimists, and not for the orleanists. This is why I was forced to use these words to answer you...
I don't think any title have been created officially, but these titles are used by both branches.

Lecen 01-31-2008 06:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Thribette (Post 723945)
Please, excuse me for not having been clear enough, an for my bad English.
The Orléans Braganza are in the line of succession for the legitimists, and not for the orleanists. This is why I was forced to use these words to answer you...
I don't think any title have been created officially, but these titles are used by both branches.

Do you have something to prove what you said about the orleanist not accepting the orleans-braganza as being in the line of succession?

I´d like to know more about that.

Thribette 02-01-2008 01:17 PM

Welle, it is in the text of the "Pacte de Famille", that François Velde translated, s you see on the link you sent...
This text proves that in 1909, the Orléans head of house did not consider the Orléans Braganza as dynasts for France, clearly.
I have never been aware of any change in their position, as such change would be contrary to the only argument against the elder ones : the fact that they pretend that leaving France, for a prince, excludes him definitely from the succession. If they admit the Orléans Braganza, they should admit the elder Bourbons so the legitimist point of view.


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