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Larzen 05-26-2006 10:55 AM

I dont know, but Märtha and Aris home after the renovated it is supposed to be 400 m2

so to have for a summerhome, 1.5-2 as much seems extreme, really.

We have a 40m2 summerhouse in the beachzone as well, which was also build before the laws became so strict (thank goodness;)

Considering this is both in the beachzone and part of it is a nature conservation area I dont think they are showing much humbleness. How much are they gonna use this, I ask because the King and Queen it seems plan to spend much of their summer and Kongsgården when it is renovated, then they also have Mågerø which has a seperate wing, Märtha and Ari has their summerhouse, and then this, some buildings are hardly going to be used then. Afterall they cant work from Kristiansand, that is 4 hours drive atleast from Oslo, so it can only be in the vacation (which is 5 weeks in total for the average Joe), not like Bygdøy where the King and Queen can move and work from for bigger part of the year. Which I understand they want since at the Palace there is really nowhere to be private outiside. Its not like I expect them to build a 60 m2 house and I understand they need security but some moderation or a less controversial spot would be in order if they absolutly must have another summerhouse.

GrandDuchess 05-26-2006 05:35 PM

Oh dear, those plans for the summer home sounds very lavish indeed... Perhaps not the best thing to do for the image of the Royal Family and especially the Crown Princely Couple. And as Larzen said, they have so many places already. If they necessarily need yet another home to use a few weeks a year, it should at least be a normal sized villa or something (which could be renovated and fitted in accordance with their personal wishes, and security measures could be taken).

Katrianna 05-26-2006 07:08 PM

Good Lord, that's not a summer home, that's a palace. It sounds as the Crown couple are taking a page from Martha-Louise and Ari's book in how to use your Royal status to skirt the zoning laws. I have to agree that they are being hypocritical in taking this action while supporting improving Third World countries and indigenous peoples. This makes their efforts look like a sham.:cool:

norwegianne 05-27-2006 06:17 AM

Today the Palace commented to VG that the figure was extremely unreasonable and that no actual drawings had been issued, and that they hadn't even hired an architect, yet, because they wanted to let Kristiansand Municipality go through with the regulations prior to anything else.

In the side column Fædrelandsvennen comments that if they really weren't planning on building so big, why did they let the newspaper believe it, instead of denying it? They also mention one of the working people at the palace as their source for who said no comment, a "carer for the royal palaces" for lack of a better English word, and why would he say that if it wasn't true?

My comment: I've never heard of this guy before. I'm sure that he's knowledgable about issues regarding to the royal palaces, which is his job. But when it comes to saying something about Haakon and Mette-Marit's private cabin plans - that's not really part of his job - and would probably get a no comment.

I agree with Grand Duchess in that they could well do with a normal sized villa.

Smilla 05-27-2006 06:23 AM

Given the low approval ratings and popularity of the Norwegian royals, MM and Haakon should do everything in their power not to annoy the public even more and work for a more positive image (esp. MM).

mandyy 05-27-2006 08:56 AM

Royal 'hytte' plans spark fury

bbb 05-27-2006 01:14 PM

seems like a mistake to stir up all this trouble. build a nice place within the lawful boundries and make nice with the neighbors, just makes common sense to keep the good will of those around you. it looks like a beautiful natural spot why ruin it for a once a year palace. if i were a local i'd be mad also.

Smilla 05-27-2006 01:27 PM

Have they ever explained publicly why they want their house to be so big? Maybe they've got perfectly good reasons!

norwegianne 05-27-2006 03:28 PM


Originally Posted by Smilla
Have they ever explained publicly why they want their house to be so big? Maybe they've got perfectly good reasons!

See my post above where the palace states that there is no real figures as to size yet, they haven't even begun planning sizes. It was apparently a misquoted e-mail and some other misunderstandings (getting a no comment from someone who's not supposed to speak out about the royals, for example.). It doesn't take much for the press to blow up.

fanletizia 05-27-2006 05:38 PM

Crown Prince couple refuses hut palace plans
The Norwegian regional newspaper Fædrelandsvennen wrote about the Crown Prince couple´s big hut plans in the south of Norway. But their information manager says this is a misunderstanding.

Larzen 05-29-2006 03:03 PM

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Haakon at the first day of the Innotwon Innovation conference

He talked to the press and the topic was given, the summerhouse:rolleyes:

- I think it was a pitty this came out this way based on numbers taken from the air

He denies that he and his wife is building a summerhouse with the size of 6-800m2

- It is not true

He further says they are awaiting the regulations plans until they make a decision on the house.

In Kristiansand they now say that it was they who independantly had taken in to account that this was the possible size.
foto: Scanpix via VG and Nettavisen
Picture and part of his speech,1&lang=1

Laviollette 05-29-2006 05:40 PM

How many castles does the NRF own? Why do H & MM have to have another one? Also, is the family spending their own money or will Norway's tax payer's foot the bill? Just asking.

Larzen 05-29-2006 05:55 PM

They will spend their own money ofcourse, I guess Haakon has inherited money after his grandfather just like his sister, its belived that Märtha used parts of those money to pay her house and upgrade the summerhouse she inherited

Here you can read about the public and private building of the NRF in english, there really only is one "real" Palace in Norway, choose properties

Katrianna 05-29-2006 06:15 PM

Thank you as always Larzen. It is a beautiful area! So now with Prince
akon denying the plans everyone is changing their story. Am I right? :rolleyes: Thanks!:)

Laviollette 05-29-2006 10:07 PM


Originally Posted by Larzen
They will spend their own money ofcourse, I guess Haakon has inherited money after his grandfather just like his sister, its belived that Märtha used parts of those money to pay her house and upgrade the summerhouse she inherited

Here you can read about the public and private building of the NRF in english, there really only is one "real" Palace in Norway, choose properties

I'm surprised there is only one royal palace. I thought maybe there were two or three. But Norway does like their RF very small, not that the palace in Oslo lacks anything. It's huge and very beautiful. I wouldn't guess a summer home for Haakon & MM is all that bad though they really should not upset their neighbors or Norway might decide their RF should be even smaller -- if you know what I mean.;)

Laviollette 05-31-2006 07:13 PM

Aftenposten -- Palace downplays 'hytte' plans

Officials at the Royal Palace and Crown Prince Haakon himself claim reports that he and his wife plan to build an enormous summer home on protected coastal land are based on a "misunderstanding."

They won't detail what the royal couple's plans really are. They're fending off criticism, though, over reports that Crown Prince Haakon and Crown Princess Mette-Marit are exploiting their royal privilege through plans to build a so-called "hytte palace" on an island off the coast of Kristiansand, Mette-Marit's hometown. read:

Larzen 06-01-2006 06:43 AM

According to Aftenposten today Haakon and MEtte-Marit is putting away the summerhouse plans for the time beeing, the reason is that there is a man who has lifelong rights to use a small boathouse close up to their possible place. The Man, Askebo, has said he is willing to find a solution but he does noe wish to be bought out for millions, but he has agreed to move if he can have another small house on a smilar beautiful place. He also says he has no problem living so close to the couple:p The Palace finds it very important they they do not try to push him away, therfor it seems to be difficult to find a solution between the Palace and Krisitansand

Aftenposten also has a funny and long oppinion piece, the authos calls Norwegians pittyful and envious not only to the Crown Prince Couple but to politicians and others who get benefits or is in a different situation. He goes on about the double standards about the very rich in Norway who is admired 8even if many of them do all to not pay taxes) while at the same time the media run after the ministers and other people hired by the public to see if they have used to much money on a lunch or on travels, or if they have a state funded Piano in their home. He asks who starts this, is it the envious public backed by the media or is it the despearte media struggeling with low sales that starts theese campaigns

He also makes this commen on a recent editorial in Se ogHør:
" ...and see and behold, there Se og Hør wears the holy glory, the magazine who makes loads of money on the royals has turned its face after the populistic oppinions and and says: the Crown Prince Couple must see what signals they send...and show that they are serious about helping the poor and the weak and a more fair society" wirtes the newly christianed holy moralist editor Odd Johan Nelvik. In 2003 the editor made 6,6 million NOK, that is more than the Crown Prince Couple gets as a joint apanage this year, namely 5,2 million NOK, I have not worried about this but now Nellvik needs to look at the signals he sends. Nelvik needs to show he is serious when he wants other people to restrain themselves, heavens, not only does editor Nelvik have a double name, he also lives a double life with double standards. My tip for a summergift from Se og Hør to its readers: A bucket to Puke in.

further he writes

"When the young couple at Skaugum actually takes some initatives to look beyond themselves it is obiously possible to score envy points in the south of Norway by writing that the couple has scored cheap points by opening their doors to the less fortunate and give them a charity meal.

As members of a konstitutional family with duties and rights the couple tries to make the best of the situation by engaging in ethical questions, now this is used against them because they dont live exactly as they preech. What could they learn from this? That it would be easier to shut up and do nothing, just like the other rich people does."
a very funny piece, atleast in Norwegian.

Larzen 06-02-2006 05:17 AM

The summerhouse saga part XXXX

6-800 m2 is taken from the air says Haakon
The summerhouse construction will be around 600 m2 says now the mayor of Kristiansand:

- Our oppinion is that the total space neede is around 600 m2, that does not mean they have asked for it, or they are going to build a building of that size.

- I count on finding a solution with Askebo (who owns the smal house) and I wish the Palace would send us the information on what space is needed. If the Palace dont do it we have to take a brake, if the Crown Prince does not wish to buy the location we will have to work on other solutions for the area

- It is important for me that we find a solution for all partys

The reason tha Mayor finds that they will need this size is:

- The house that is there now is 400 m2 pluss the small house owned by Askebo which is 62 m2. It is likely that the couple will use the existing house as a base for their new one, but with extensive renovations inside and out

Further space neede could be a guest ving, housing for the police, garden/lawn and/or swimming pool and parking space for their cars and those of the police

In 1995 the King and Queen build their Summerhouse Mågerø, the main house is 500 m2 the total space is 800 m2 (its very well hidden in the terrain this building, foto scanpix)

In Frederikstad Märtha Louises summerhouse is 300 m2, the house is just upgraded with a big garden which includes and Pool of 60 m2, a smaller building of 20 m2 a terasse of 115 m2 and lawn of 180 m2, which gives a total space of around 700 m2 (foto Tone Georgsen)

- The Questions is why it is so unrelaistic that the Crown Prince COuple should need 600 m2

- that is a relevant question, says responsible for the Royal buildings Ragnar Osnes

BTW editor of Se og Hør Odd Johan Nelvik is not amused with the oppinion piece in Aftenposten yesterday and accuses the writer of beeing PR hungry in his own piece today. (not nearly as funny written as the one yesterday but I guess that is why he works in Se og HØr which is mostly about the pictures...)
Me: I think as the story gets more detailed the original statements from Fedrelandsvennewas that the buildings was going to be 6-800 m2 while now it seems they inlcude lawns, parkingspace and what not in this number, and from Osnes it seems when they include this they will come up with this number

***Crown Prince Haakon today inspecting the New Frigate Fridtjof Nansen with the King

EmmieLou 06-02-2006 04:04 PM

Can't they just buy a house that is already built and stop this building talk?

I am sure the couple is sick of it by now and a house they would use to relax is probably giving them a huge headache!

The O.C. Fanatic 06-02-2006 09:08 PM

Seriously. It would be easier if they bought a house like right there. Building one is to much of a hassel.

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