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Saphire 06-28-2007 08:57 AM

Work Schedule
 
I am a little curious and I know that most of you are probably better informed than I am, but I was looking at the calendar for Crown Prince Fred and Mary and they haven't worked much in the last three months. Mary is understandable, but what's up with Fred? I don't understand Danish so please pardon my ignorance if I am mistaken.
  • March - 15 days had events (31 day month)
  • April - 8 days had events (30 day month)
  • May - 5 days had events (31 day month)
  • June - 8 days have events (30 day month)
  • July - 7 days have events (some are related to Queen Sonja's Birthday), from what I read in a separate post, Fred will only be attending one event. (31 day month)
Apart from scheduled events, sailing, and sailing, what else does he do? Please help me understand. As I said, I don't understand Danish, so I counted the pins on the calendar.

Thanks.

Empress 06-28-2007 10:52 AM

Well,, taking March as an example. 31 days in the month, 9 of which are weekend days, and he worked 15, so that would leave 7 days where he had "off".

I suppose what we must realize is that Royal families do not work in the way that "we" work. They do not have 9-5 jobs. They also do not automatically have weekends and holidays off that we might all have. Say in Norway or Sweden, everyone pretty much has the national days off. Unfortunately the royals have to work on those days. They also undertake work assignments that take them away from home, often for days or two weeks at a time.

Also, what we need to understand is that the royals do not simply show up at these events. Everything that they do requires preperation. (There was a video, from when Willem Alexander turned 40, that showed all of the meetings and preperation that go into attending any event). The royals must learn the names, biographies, talking points, etiquette, and any myriad of other things that go into these events. they must do research into the topics that they will need to speak on. They all take preperation, just like making a presentation to the CEO of your company. Imagine that the citizens of each country are all stock holders in the monarchy. Thus the royals must make a perfect presentation.

So while it might seem that a royal only has 7 events, each of those 7 events might very well take 2 days of preparation from a whole team of people. Speech writing, etc. All of this must be done and practiced. If they are going to a country where they do not speak the language they might generally try to learn a few phrases as well as the history of the place where they are going. They might need to learn not to wear yellow or white in a certain country as that is a colour for mourning. All of these little things must be prepared for, as it would not do for a royal to make a faux oas whilst on an official visit.

They must also fit in family time where they can, as they are often away at night or on the weekends.

I think that it is not as simple as we many of us think. I gained a new found respect (even though I already respected the Dutch royal family) when I saw on the video the preparation that must go into all that they do.

norwegianne 06-28-2007 11:07 AM

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Originally Posted by Saphire (Post 632842)
I am a little curious and I know that most of you are probably better informed than I am, but I was looking at the calendar for Crown Prince Fred and Mary and they haven't worked much in the last three months. Mary is understandable, but what's up with Fred? I don't understand Danish so please pardon my ignorance if I am mistaken.
  • March - 15 days had events (31 day month)
  • April - 8 days had events (30 day month)
  • May - 5 days had events (31 day month)
  • June - 8 days have events (30 day month)
  • July - 7 days have events (some are related to Queen Sonja's Birthday), from what I read in a separate post, Fred will only be attending one event. (31 day month)
Apart from scheduled events, sailing, and sailing, what else does he do? Please help me understand. As I said, I don't understand Danish, so I counted the pins on the calendar.

Thanks.

According to his CV he's been a teacher at the Danish defense academy' institute for strategy since 2003. I can't find anything that says anything about how often he does this, or what he teaches - but it is not something that appears on the public calendar.

This press release from when he started there: http://www.hkhkronprinsen.dk/1122774/Year/2003 specifies that he will be a teacher and advisor within the institute's areas: Political Science, Methods, polticial perspectives and globalization. The institute also advices the students working on their thesis. He won't give interviews about this. (I take this to mean that it is not something that goes on the public calendar.) He doesn't receive payment from the Academy for this job.

Unless someone has lecture plans from the subject(s) he teaches - it is difficult to know how his schedule is at this.

Se & Hør had a picture of him on his bike from 2001 on his way to work at the military institiution where he worked then: http://emagcontenta.aller.dk/pics/D_465.jpg

He had something about it on his calendar in April, but that was a formal event connected to it: http://forsvaret.dk/FAK/Nyt+og+Press...+forsvaret.htm

Saphire 06-28-2007 11:08 AM

I see, but I am asumming they have speech writers, researchers, historians, make-up artists, and professionals who help with all events. For example, I thought that the lady in waiting, in Mary's case, was supposed to help her in remembering people names and making sure that she greets the 'right' people.

Empress 06-28-2007 11:11 AM

Sure, they all have people that help them. But at a certain point, even royals have to do things on their own, and therefore they might very well want to put more effort into it than we might think. Otherwise they might look like the worlds biggest idiots.

In any case, meetings have to be held with all of those people so that they could then prepare the royal in question, no? I don't think any of us would be best pleased to meet a certain royal, and the only way that they would know anything about us or what we were doing would be if the person who prepares them was standing behind them the entire time telling them what they needed to know. This they should find out in advance, and that takes time.

It's likely not a life that any of us would ever understand. But they certainly work for their position. Sure, they might and likely do have more time "off" than most of us. But would you really call that time off? When the press is constantly following you, even on your time off, I don't know that I would call that time off really. Even when they are having time "off" they have to be "on". I don't think that they really ever have a time when they can be completely casual and let their guard down. So whether that is work in the way that we think about it or not, I still think that it is work. It is certainly not a life that I would like.

And to be honest, Frederick has been "working" since the day he was born. In all seriousness, again not working as we would see it, but from the day that he was born he has had to be on, and going to events, and such. I don't think that many of us would like that kind of pressure. If you tabulate everything that he has had to do for his position since he was born, then I would say he has worked a great deal.

Saphire 06-28-2007 12:00 PM

Thanks for the information, its difficult to gauge how much work they are actually doing by just looking at their calendar and I glad that we have members who are well informed.

stellad 06-28-2007 04:55 PM

Empress, thank you for your post (Nr 2).

I think there are many of us who have to take time out occasionally and consider the background preparation that the Royals have to do before making an official appearance which is a part of their job.

I certainly do not have a problem with their work or lack of work schedule.

Stellad

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Alisa 06-28-2007 06:25 PM

As of 2005 Frederik still worked at the Defense College. While it true that I don't his schedule ,the job of a future King imo entitles to much more than spending spending his days at the college and even sailing for that matter.

It's true that official engagements do take lots of time and planning behind the scenes. With that in mind, imagine all the work that Frederik's colleagues who have 3x times official duties more must undertake.:ohmy:

Before someone "goes there" about comparing countries and workloads, Denmark isn't exactly a perfect utopian societies without causes or need for charities. There are lots of things for him to do, he has many patronages that he could carry out engagements for. He could get to know his fellow country men and future subjects more by carrying out visits to towns and troubled areas, he could visits Greenland and the Faroe Islands more, he could even get involved with more international organization...etc.


If Frederik did routinely did such work, I doubt anyone would seriously complain if he went sailing a few times per year.

Perhaps next year if and when he does a 40th birthday documentary with
JJ Films/DR TV he will have had an epiphany and come to realize that he will have to rule Denmark one day soon. So he ought to "get ready":rolleyes:

Fashionista100 06-28-2007 10:36 PM

We also have to remember that all of their "duties" are not published. In fact, Princess Alexandra, now Countess had to "leak" a meeting that was not on the calendar to the press. It was due to critisim she was receiving for not earning her civil list "Cash." Her secretary said she makes may visits and trips and meetings that are not published on the calendar. It is unfortunate she had to prove herself. I believe the same is true for Mary. In fact, some photos were recently publish on one of her patronages websites of her making a "non-calendar" visit. None of us knew about it until the site published it. The media had nothing, the calendar had nothing. If they didn't have members of the charity taking pics for their own website no one would know. I think a lot of this goes on.

Plus, as said, they are having meetings constantly with their staff, updates on the gov't and world affairs, updates on charity, reading on current advances in various charity directions, the latest research, procedures, schedules, and customs are discussed.

I think it's a lot more work than they are given credit for it.

Lena 06-29-2007 08:01 AM

Well, sometimes I am accused of being provocative here. Maybe I am. But if one is really following it, I am wondering, how one can not considering Frederikīs working schedule as provocative. He doesnīt follow many duties, and many are related to ships. He has no real cause of subtance like other crown princes.
And now the court is even starting to treat his sailing trips as official.
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Frederiks Sailing a State Affair.

The Crown Prince do no longer want to be accused of beeing lazy when he goes sailing, he has made his sailing his work.

Before it was private and utterly secret when Frederik was enjoying his favourite hobby with his millionair friends. But when Frederiks ties his shoes and steps in his sponsored boat in sponsored clothes it is from now on considered an official activity.
Ekstra Bladet - Frederiks sejlads er et statsanliggende

Quote:

It's true that official engagements do take lots of time and planning behind the scenes. With that in mind, imagine all the work that Frederik's colleagues who have 3x times official duties more must undertake.:ohmy:
Thatīs exactly the point! One doesnīt need to prepare endlessly, if one a) doesnīt perform too many duties and hasnīt much of a field, one is really into.
Secret duties...what would be the point in this PR job? And really...how much would that be? What are you thinking? 20%, 30% or 50%?
Yes, one canīt compare their jobs to 9-5 jobs. But one also canīt compare his salary to the ones of ppl with 9-5 jobs.

I can see, why one is liking "Prince Charming" and the average Dane is probably quite happy with the glitter show and Steen something pics, the DRF can arrange so well, but no matter, how one is turning it, Frederik isnīt the hardest worker, he could do more, also in little Denmark. He could get into social issues, he could do huminatarian trips abroad. Donīt tell me, that this would be worse, than that what he now doing or not doing.

Chimene 06-29-2007 05:03 PM

I can't believe that I feel sorry for such privilege people. But, being called lazy and incompetent for a job you are born into must be incredibly frustrating. It sounds like this is about to turn into a history lesson or perhaps even a revolution. Is Denmark on the verge of becoming a republic, is that true?

Larzen 06-29-2007 05:14 PM

No it is not, not even close, most danes seems to be happy with their royals or not care much about them, of course there are exceptions, but Frederik has been voted Dane of the year god knows how many times, so noone can really say there is a revolution on the stairs of Amalienborg:angel:. And I dare say noone in Denmark or scandinavia for that reason expect to see their royals at an engagement every weekday like Felipe of Spain. I dont either, I dont need to see a picture everytime they meet and organisation or know what they are up to every day of the week. I just like them to atleast appear relativly serious and dedicated and not like they are taking the easiest way possible trough it all with maximum pleassure with minimum efforts....

wiwaxia 07-02-2007 06:33 AM

Work Schedule
 
Ekstra Bladet - Frederiks sejlads er et statsanliggende

In a recent article in Ekstra Bladet, under the heading:

FREDERIK'S SAILING IS A STATE AFFAIR Crown Prince Frederik will no longer be blamed for being lazy when he goes sailing. He has turned his hobby into work.

'At first it was private and extremely secret, when Frederik went abroad to enjoy his millionaire sailing hobby with friends.

But in the future, when Frederik ties his sailingshoe laces, and gets on to one of his sponsored boats, in his sponsored clothes, it will now bw considered an affair of state.

EB during a prolonged period has criticised the Crown Princes tendency to prefer sailing in warm foreign waters, to attending to duty at home. Now the royal court has suddenly changed tactics when it concerns Frederik's sailing, Amalienborg will now confirm when he is out sailing.

Representing Denmark - We see it this way, that when he is out sailing, that he is representing Denmark. he is an active participant, and an active sportsman i big competitions, and that is also a way of representing Denmark, therefore we will confirm when he is out sailing, said press officer Liz Frederiksen.

EB: What is the reason for this change?

LF: It is another way of giving Denmark exposure, and with the world championships in the Farr40 coming up. The C P has an active role in arranging these things, so in that way you can say he is working for the country. Therefore there are some things that say that it is not just a private hobby, but also indicates that he is representing Denmark when he is out sailing, said Liz Frederiksen.

Rather sail than work.

(continued conversation between EB and LF)

Now, EB has made some complaints about this, has this played a part in the change of opinion?

LF: Much is written in EB, and that is all I have to say.

Marengo 07-02-2007 06:40 AM

Well, you have to admit, those guys at Amalienborg are rather creative and funny, they gave me a good laugh anyway ;).

Jo of Palatine 07-02-2007 06:44 AM

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Originally Posted by wiwaxia (Post 634968)
Ekstra Bladet - Frederiks sejlads er et statsanliggende

In a recent article in Ekstra Bladet, under the heading:

FREDERIK'S SAILING IS A STATE AFFAIR Crown Prince Frederik will no longer be blamed for being lazy when he goes sailing. He has turned his hobby into work.

You can see it that way. Certainly. He is an active sportsman and that's a job in itself. He is a lecturer at an academy and that is a job in itself. But once you are born the heir apparent, you're not only not allowed to do the job you like like any other citizen, you have in addition to prove that all you do is for your country.

Reminds me of the media that critizises the amount of money The Prince of Wales spends on travels, staff and receptions, when this money is used to allow him to work. Would they prefer he sits at home doing nothing?

Wonder when EB will start telling the CP-couple that they should stop having more kids as these take time away from them working! After all, Fred did not marry for himself and his family, he married a working horse for Denmark, one that should earn her keep with working instead of spending money on kid's clothes and kid's food. :bang:

Jo of Palatine 07-02-2007 06:56 AM

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Originally Posted by Lena (Post 633324)
Secret duties...what would be the point in this PR job? And really...how much would that be? What are you thinking?

My husband is, apart from being a research scientist a lecturer at university, too and I see how much work is involved in preparing a two-hour a week lesson only. Professors don't give more than 4 or 6 hours a week lectures here and are fully employed. As Fred works fro a military academy and his workload is secret, you really have no chance in figuring how much he actually does. He could prepare his lectures at home, eg....

When it comes down to the basic facts, it's that we have no way to know what he does and thus we have no right to judge, because judgement without facts is just that: superficial and judgmental. IMHO.

wiwaxia 07-02-2007 07:31 AM

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Originally Posted by Jo of Palatine (Post 634972)
You can see it that way. Certainly. He is an active sportsman and that's a job in itself. He is a lecturer at an academy and that is a job in itself. But once you are born the heir apparent, you're not only not allowed to do the job you like like any other citizen, you have in addition to prove that all you do is for your country.

Reminds me of the media that critizises the amount of money The Prince of Wales spends on travels, staff and receptions, when this money is used to allow him to work. Would they prefer he sits at home doing nothing?

Wonder when EB will start telling the CP-couple that they should stop having more kids as these take time away from them working! After all, Fred did not marry for himself and his family, he married a working horse for Denmark, one that should earn her keep with working instead of spending money on kid's clothes and kid's food. :bang:


If you are dependent on state handouts, then proving what you do is synonymous with your existence, that is his role in life, his job, which is what the grouch is about it would seem; but the magazine questioned the change of tactics from the royal court, which is fair dinkum I'd say, as this 'sailing', more often than not has nothing whatsoever to do with state business.

Jo of Palatine 07-02-2007 07:51 AM

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Originally Posted by wiwaxia (Post 634990)
If you are dependent on state handouts, then proving what you do is synonymous with your existence, that is his role in life, his job, which is what the grouch is about it would seem;

No. in our republic every public servant lives on state handouts and quite a lot of them have sailing as their private hobby. Once one is good enough to compete in international championships, they can be taken over by the military and do their sport being paid for that by public handouts. We're not talking about a bit of playing golf or tennis as a hobby but about actively competing in a World Championship.

wiwaxia 07-02-2007 09:21 AM

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Originally Posted by Jo of Palatine (Post 635002)
No. in our republic every public servant lives on state handouts and quite a lot of them have sailing as their private hobby. Once one is good enough to compete in international championships, they can be taken over by the military and do their sport being paid for that by public handouts. We're not talking about a bit of playing golf or tennis as a hobby but about actively competing in a World Championship.

Sorry, I don't understand what you mean.


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