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Sancia 07-01-2006 02:03 PM

Here's the post for genealogical discussions about the Bonaparte family. It includes the descendants of all the Bonaparte siblings, their ancestors and the descendants of Joséphine de Beauharnais, first wife of Napoleon, which descendants were many to marry into the Gotha.
Please feel free to ask any questions or add details and datas.

Danielane, Royal Genealogy Moderator

magnik 07-01-2006 02:43 PM

Few genealogy links.

About Bonaparte or Buonaparte family
http://geneweb.inria.fr/roglo?lang=en;m=N;v=buonaparte
http://pages.prodigy.net/ptheroff/gotha/bonaparte.html
http://genroy.free.fr/bonaparte.html .


About family de Beauharnais and more here http://www.lexilogos.com/histoire_beauharnais.htm
and here http://geneweb.inria.fr/roglo?lang=e...de+beauharnais .

About Josephine:
her family Tascher de La Pagerie came http://geneweb.inria.fr/roglo?lang=en;m=N;v=de+tascher (and go to Genealogie) http://www.tascher-de-la-pagerie.org...p?menu=accueil from de Tascher de La Pagerie family http://geneweb.inria.fr/roglo?lang=e...+de+la+pagerie and they from de Tascher family
http://geneweb.inria.fr/roglo?lang=en;m=N;v=de+tascher .

Toledo 07-03-2006 10:49 AM

House Bonaparte Genealogy in a PDF Chart.
Now, a must-have must-print for all fans of genealogy. Is from a site that gathers all the royal houses family trees of past and present.
House Bonaparte Genealogy 1799 to 2004

And in case you want the rest: all the French family trees, both Royal and Imperial from the year 400 to 2004

Here is another link: Genealogie de la Maison Bonaparte


Toledo 07-03-2006 07:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Furienna
So Napoleon still has descendants? WOW!

I'll update this post later with the links on Napoleon's other kids. He did leave several children from his extra marital affairs much like Napoleon III did, they were given titles and use the mother's name but both Emperors did leave direct descendants to this day. But that link is in my other PC and I'll update this message later on from it. It's a great site that lists the legal and not so legal Royal and Imperial offsprings.


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Monday, July 5th updated link for Furienna:
here is the link on all Bonapartes http://genroy.free.fr/bonaparte.html
It list the legitimate lines as well as the lesser known children of Napoleon I and Napoleon III. There is another site with the photos of some of these children as adults, Napoleon III's other children inherited his looks while the official heir by Empress Eugene looks more like his mother than his father.

magnik 07-05-2006 10:54 AM

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Originally Posted by ibf
Does anyone know how many kids Empress Eugenie had? Some websites I go to on the internet say that she only had one son and then others talk about Eugenie and her children. Who were her other children?

She had only one son with Napoleon III
= Eugene-Louis, prince imperial des Francais (1856-79).
Btw. Eugenie had about six god-children: Marie-Louise Delmas de Grammont, Ines de Bourgoing, Napoleon Wells de La Valette, Bartholobi girl, Victoria Eugenie "Ena"von Battenberg and Clotilde Napoleon, princesse Napoleon.

http://geneweb.inria.fr/roglo?lang=en;i=10446

cesar 07-10-2006 01:12 AM

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He did leave several children from his extra marital affairs much like Napoleon III did, they were given titles and use the mother's name but both Emperors did leave direct descendants to this day.
I think the question of the First Emperor offsprings is very important for the aspirations of us Bonapartists, personally i feel that since the Death of L'Aiglon at Schonbrum, the House of Bonaparte must realized that they are nominating descendency of Napoleon's brother's, I am a bonapartist and for me the issue of the Emperor descedancy is critical to evaluate our posibilities of restoring Imperial France.

Toledo 07-21-2006 12:25 AM

If memory serves me well, the Bourbons took over the Capet legacy when the King of Navarra married a Valois princess and dethroned the last Valois. Right? So dynastic name change goes hand in hand with continuity thought the mother's side.

I don't know, I just have a problem with these rules that name inheritance is considered less when is passed through a woman. That is too chauvinistic for me to accept in this era. Even in other advanced cultures like the ancient Maya Kingdoms, a woman's DNA outranked the men's.

Sancia 07-21-2006 04:44 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Toledo
If memory serves me well, the Bourbons took over the Capet legacy when the King of Navarra married a Valois princess and dethroned the last Valois. Right? So dynastic name change goes hand in hand with continuity thought the mother's side.

The grandson of Antoine de Bourbon and the Valois Princess took the French Throne: it was king Henri IV (who was king of Navarre by her mother). But he was a Bourbon, and the Bourbon are direct descendants (by the males) of saint Louis (king Louis IX of France) and his son Robert de Clermont. Don't know if it's clear, but the Bourbons are direct Capetians.

Toledo 07-21-2006 01:41 PM

Thanks! So they were cousins after all.

Avalon 07-31-2006 07:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Toledo
If memory serves me well, the Bourbons took over the Capet legacy when the King of Navarra married a Valois princess and dethroned the last Valois. Right? So dynastic name change goes hand in hand with continuity thought the mother's side.

King Henry of Navarre (later King Henry IV of France and Navarre) married sister of King Charles IX Valois (and daughter of Henry II and Catherine de Medici) Marguerite de Valois . After the death of all of her borthers Marguerite was the eldest surviving daughter of King Henry II, however she was not the heir (due to much talked Salic law). Henry IV was a direct descendant, as Danielane has pointed, of Saint Louis, so he was the rightful heir himself. Of course, marriage to the King Henry II's daughter and Kings Charles IX, Henry III sister only made his chances more preferable but he was the heir all by himself. He had to fight (literally) for his Throne though. His main opponent for a time was Duke Henry de Guise, who had an immense support among the people (he was a devoted Catholic, his brother was a Cardinal, while Henry of Navarre was a Protestant, though he did convert at the end).
Personally I see one of the reasons Heny was married to Queen Margot for so long, was the fact she was sister and daughter of the Kings. As I said, it made his chances preferable. It's only my opinion though.

Toledo 08-19-2006 04:39 PM

I just found this section I've never seen before of a site about the Bonapartes-Napoleons* and the surnames associated with their genealogical tree. To make it simple, as the site states: This site contains 1109 individuals and 413 unique surnames

The Genealogy of the Bonaparte and their surnames

* from what I understand, the last name was changed from Bonaparte to Napoleon by Victor, Prince NAPOLEON (Paris 18/7/1862 - + Bruxelles 3/5/1926). Reminds me of Julius Caesar, whose name became a title (Caesar, Kaiser, Kzar/Czar/Zar, etc)

Enjoy the reading! :king:

Bonus link found in another section of that site: http://www.napoleonseries.org/genealogy/

PrincessKoreen 10-08-2006 09:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by cesar
I think the question of the First Emperor offsprings is very important for the aspirations of us Bonapartists, personally i feel that since the Death of L'Aiglon at Schonbrum, the House of Bonaparte must realized that they are nominating descendency of Napoleon's brother's, I am a bonapartist and for me the issue of the Emperor descedancy is critical to evaluate our posibilities of restoring Imperial France.

Something interesting: when I was on a tour of St. James' Palace, one of the officials gave me a family tree linking Emperor Napoleon I in tail-male line to Charles II of England. Has anyone else heard of this?

PrincessKoreen 10-08-2006 09:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Avalon
King Henry of Navarre (later King Henry IV of France and Navarre) married sister of King Charles IX Valois (and daughter of Henry II and Catherine de Medici) Marguerite de Valois . After the death of all of her borthers Marguerite was the eldest surviving daughter of King Henry II, however she was not the heir (due to much talked Salic law). Henry IV was a direct descendant, as Danielane has pointed, of Saint Louis, so he was the rightful heir himself. Of course, marriage to the King Henry II's daughter and Kings Charles IX, Henry III sister only made his chances more preferable but he was the heir all by himself. He had to fight (literally) for his Throne though. His main opponent for a time was Duke Henry de Guise, who had an immense support among the people (he was a devoted Catholic, his brother was a Cardinal, while Henry of Navarre was a Protestant, though he did convert at the end).
Personally I see one of the reasons Heny was married to Queen Margot for so long, was the fact she was sister and daughter of the Kings. As I said, it made his chances preferable. It's only my opinion though.

I've always wondered what would have happened in Scotland if the first wife of King James IV, Marguerite de France, daughter of Francois I and Claude de France, daughter of Louis IX and Anne of Brittany, had survived and produced an heir. Then, there would've been no Mary I of Scotland, no de Guise faction in Scotland....hmmm..

Marengo 02-21-2007 07:24 AM

Does anybody know a good link that lists all the decendants of Louis Napoleon and Hortense? Also of Charles de Morny and the illegitemate children of Napoleon III?

charlottestreasures 02-21-2007 06:30 PM

I have just finished a group of books about Josephine Bonaparte, The family of Napoleon Bonaparte, a book on his second wife Marie Louise and one on Hortense Queen of Holland..

Hortense had only one child that lived that was Napoleon lll and he had only one child that died young fighting in the Zulu War in Africa.

Valentino 01-04-2009 06:00 AM

Napoleon III. had in his youth, which he spent in Arenenberg (Switzerland) at Lake of Constance, an affair with Anna Maria Schiess in Allensbach (vis a vis Arenenberg in Germany) (* 26.07.1812 Allensbach, + 24.04.1880 Allensbach). From this Liason was the illegitimate son Bonaventure Karrer (* 14.07.1839 Allensbach, +12.07.1921 Singen) later married Anna Maria Schiess the younger Meinrad Karrer (* 13.01.1827 Allensbach, +?) Which the adoptive father of Bonaventure was. This is occupied by the Ahnenpass of the family Stössel as well as by tradition in the communities Allensbach and Constance.
By Napoleon III. Exhibition the 200th Birthday of the Emperor in Constance, this was published several times while still living descendants presented.
More in German


Nachkommen (Descendant) von Napoleon III. « Nachkomme, Descendant Napoleon III.

Medien-Berichte.de – Der Nachfahre des Kaisers

maria-olivia 01-04-2009 07:05 AM

Was Princess Georges of Greece , born Marie Bonaparte , the real last Bonaparte, as she mentionned in her book ??

Warren 01-04-2009 08:32 AM

In terms of birth Princess Marie Bonaparte was very low ranking within "Society", a Princess with no Highness of any sort, just "Princess" as her father Roland was just "Prince". Prince Roland was the son of Pierre, Prince français and Imperial Highness at birth, who was in turn the son of Lucien, Napoleon's brother. Prince Pierre led a highly disreputable life in Rome, from where he was finally expelled, and in South America, where he was twice tried for murder. He was disinherited and ceased to be a dynast of the Bonaparte family. He married a Justine Ruffin. Prince Roland made a glittering match by marrying Marie Blanc, daughter of the fabulously wealthy property developer and director of the Monte Carlo casino.

The Imperial House of Bonaparte today descend from Napoleon's youngest brother Jerôme who married Catherine, the daughter of Friedrich I, King of Württemberg. Their son Napoleon married a daughter of the King of Italy, and their son Napoleon Victor married Princess Clementine of Belgium.

In terms of the overall Bonaparte family, Princess Marie's father was the last male of the senior line descending from Lucien, Napoleon's 2nd brother. This may have prompted Marie's claim of being the last "real Bonaparte", although another equally "real Bonaparte" was descended from Napoleon's 4th brother. It's a curious distinction for her to have made, although well in keeping with her character.

Egmond Codfried 11-04-2009 11:54 AM

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Originally Posted by charlottestreasures (Post 574233)
I have just finished a group of books about Josephine Bonaparte, The family of Napoleon Bonaparte, a book on his second wife Marie Louise and one on Hortense Queen of Holland..

Hortense had only one child that lived that was Napoleon lll and he had only one child that died young fighting in the Zulu War in Africa.

http://ritratti.files.wordpress.com/...y-triosson.jpg

http://nl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hortense_de_Beauharnais

Did not the lovely Hortence had an illegitimate son too?

Valentino 11-11-2009 04:30 AM

Yes, Hortense had an illegitimate son of Charles Joseph, comte de Flahaut. His name was Charles Auguste Louis Joseph de Morny.

NEW:
IGENEA searches in collaboration with FTDNA, the DNA of the descendants of all Napoleon Bonapartes.

Napoleon I. officially is said to be exhumed in order to finally resolve the question of his cause of death (Thread in French).


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