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Dman 12-06-2017 10:21 AM

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Originally Posted by Osipi (Post 2047741)
Would someone please call up HM at BP and request for her to get on her smart phone and log in here and clear this matter up once and for all?

Even if Beatrice and Eugenie did have the RFO just because the Queen wanted them to have it, we wouldn't know about it. Why? They're never present at occasions where they would even wear it. For all we know, the Queen hasn't presented Princess Michael one for the simple fact that she doesn't like how she wears her hair or her choices of hats. The Queen can do with the RFO whatever she pleases and even give one to Lupo if she wanted to. Oh wait, no she wouldn't. Lupo is a male and the RFO is for females. The stand by that the Queen has decided on is two years as a full time working royal. Not precedence, not rank or file of the color of a dress the woman is working but the service given to the monarch in the family "Firm".

The Queen has no issues with the RFO but obviously some people have issues with how the Queen decides to do things. :biggrin:

So The Queen is waiting for two years to see if Catherine is fully committed to royal service after the woman has been committed to royal service since 2011?

The Queen waited to give Prince Philip the Victorian Order after 70 years. I guess he had to prove he was fully committed to royal service to get it. Funny how Camilla and other members of the family proved their commitment earlier than he did.

muriel 12-06-2017 10:25 AM

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Originally Posted by Dman (Post 2047727)
I donít care about this stuff anymore because I recognize The Queen have some issues when it comes to family orders.

If you really did not care about it, ypu would not enter into this debate with enthusiasm every time Kate wears a tiara!

Dman 12-06-2017 10:28 AM

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Originally Posted by muriel (Post 2047748)
If you really did not care about it, ypu would not enter into this debate with enthusiasm every time Kate wears a tiara!

I guess I’m the only one that see that’s something isn’t kosher here. It shouldn’t take 60 years for this child to receive her family order. I know that s a fact.

The girl is being put in the same category as Sarah, Duchess of York and Princess Michael of Kent when it comes to the family order. That’s simply not right.

Pranter 12-06-2017 10:30 AM

I think everyone just needs to come to their own conclusions about it...it's not worth arguing about.


LaRae

muriel 12-06-2017 10:31 AM

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Originally Posted by Dman (Post 2047751)
I guess Iím the only one that see thatís something isnít kosher here.

Would you like to write the HM and tell her that "something isn't Kosher here ?"

Gaudete 12-06-2017 10:32 AM

The Royal Family Order (RFO) and other Royal Orders and Decorations
 
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Originally Posted by Dman (Post 2047745)
The Queen waited to give Prince Philip the Victorian Order after 70 years. I guess he had to prove he was fully committed to royal service to get it. Funny how Camilla and other members of the family proved their commitment earlier than he did.


Im not sure you understand how the honours system works. The Duke of Edinburgh has had the Royal Victorian Order for years. The Queen simply elevated him to the highest class within the order to mark their wedding anniversary. The other members of the Royal Family who have the Royal Victorian Order are of different ranks within the order.

The Royal Victorian Order is given as an award for services to the Crown. The RFO is not an award as such. It isnít about the personal relationship to the Queen or to denote seniority within the family. Itís recognition of two years service. Which Kate hasnít completed yet. Honestly, I donít quite get why this is such an issue or so controversial.

Dman 12-06-2017 10:34 AM

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Originally Posted by muriel (Post 2047754)
Would you like to write the HM and tell her that "something isn't Kosher here ?"

I would but she’s an old Windsor. Old Windsor’s can be tricky.

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Originally Posted by Gaudete (Post 2047755)
Im not sure you understand how the honours system works. The Duke of Edinburgh has had the Royal Victorian Order for years. The Queen simply elevated him to the highest class within the order to mark their wedding anniversary. The other members of the Royal Family who have the Royal Victorian Order are of different ranks within the order.

The Royal Victorian Order is given as an award for services to the Crown. The RFO is not an award as such. It isn’t about the personal relationship to the Queen or to denote seniority within the family. It’s recognition of two years service. Which Kate hasn’t completed yet. Honestly, I don’t quite get why this is such an issue or so controversial.

The Duke of Edinburgh was never a member of the Royal Victorian Order until now.

muriel 12-06-2017 10:37 AM

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Originally Posted by Dman (Post 2047757)
I would but sheís an old Windsor. Old Windsorís can be tricky.

I would just like to be a fly on the wall to watch her reaction. A citizen from a country she is not a monarch of telling, c 66 years into her job, that she is not doing an elemrmt of her jobproperly.

Gaudete 12-06-2017 10:43 AM

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Originally Posted by Dman (Post 2047757)
I would but sheís an old Windsor. Old Windsorís can be tricky.



The Duke of Edinburgh was never a member of the Royal Victorian Order until now.


My mistake, he was given the Royal Victorian Chain in 2007. But so what if heís only just been made a member? Do you think the Queen giving honours shows that she likes one member of the family more than others? Is that the issue?

Dman 12-06-2017 10:44 AM

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Originally Posted by muriel (Post 2047761)
I would just like to be a fly on the wall to watch her reaction. A citizen from a country she is not a monarch of telling, c 66 years into her job, that she is not doing an elemrmt of her jobproperly.

At least Im an American that recognize that a senior member of the family should at least have the family order after seven years. 20 Years can easily pass and people will still be saying that Catherine hasnít been fully committed to royal service to receive the family order.

Gaudete 12-06-2017 10:45 AM

I can assure you people arenít saying that. In the same way her receiving the RFO wonít be the topic of dinner table conversation throughout the country when and if she does get it.

muriel 12-06-2017 10:46 AM

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Originally Posted by Dman (Post 2047763)
At least Im an American that recognize that a senior member of the family should at least have the family order after seven years. 20 Years can easily pass and people will still be saying that Catherine hasnít been fully committed to royal service to receive the family order.

Not doubting your commitment the cause of Catherine's RFO. [emoji1]

wyevale 12-06-2017 10:48 AM

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she likes one member of the family more than others? Is that the issue?
That CANNOT be the case, since the DoCamb has WIDE access to the Vault, yet the Countess of Wessex, who has a real bond with HMQ, has had only measly access...

Gaudete 12-06-2017 10:50 AM

The Royal Family Order (RFO) and other Royal Orders and Decorations
 
Exactly my thoughts wyevale. I donít know why the RFO has become invested with so much sentiment as if it means the Queen approves of someone as an individual. And if they donít have it, she clearly doesnít approve. I just donít see how that works when itís so clear how HM decides who does and who doesnít get it.

Osipi 12-06-2017 10:52 AM

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Originally Posted by Dman (Post 2047757)
The Duke of Edinburgh was never a member of the Royal Victorian Order until now.

Receiving the GCVO was extra special for Philip. On their 70th wedding anniversary, 20 November 2017, the Queen appointed him Knight Grand Cross (GCVO) of the Royal Victorian Order, making him the first person since his late uncle, the first Earl Mountbatten of Burma, to be entitled to wear the breast stars of four orders of chivalry in the United Kingdom. No one else living can say they wear four breast stars of four different chivalry orders of the UK. I can see how HM made this personal milestone an extra special one. She has her head on right in my book. :biggrin:

Then again, Philip himself is a god and not many of the BRF can say that. The inhabitants of some villages on the island of Tanna, Vanuatu also worship Prince Philip as a god; the islanders possess portraits of the Duke and hold feasts on his birthday.

Gaudete 12-06-2017 10:53 AM

Why isnít Kate a God in Vanuatu?! Sheís a senior member of the Royal Family. The Queen must hate her. [emoji6]

Dman 12-06-2017 10:54 AM

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Originally Posted by muriel (Post 2047766)
Not doubting your commitment the cause of Catherine's RFO. [emoji1]

I just think it’s a downright shame that Catherine is attending State Visits and the Diplomatic Corps Reception without at least the family order after all this time.

If she was just sitting at home eating bon bons and not doing anything in service of The Queen and Country for seven years, I would say that girl don’t deserve jack.

That’s not the case here.

Osipi 12-06-2017 10:58 AM

Well.... I suppose what you could do is whip up a specially made Order of Dman for her to wear. At least she'd know someone appreciates her across the pond. Just don't make it out of ivory. ;)

But seriously, I don't think Kate is losing any sleep at all over this. There's more important things on her mind like making sure the pictures of George in his sheep costume came out good. :biggrin:

Hans-Rickard 12-06-2017 11:00 AM

This discussion is really going round and round and round like a malfunctioning CD-Player :-D

I don't think Kate has any issues to sleep during the nights because of this question, as some people here seems to have :-D

vkrish 12-06-2017 11:43 AM

We are used to this here. Happens pretty much every time a state banquet or gala happens, thanks to Dman's tireless crusade in championing for an RFO for the Duchess of Cambridge..


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