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Dman 07-12-2017 06:28 PM

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Originally Posted by cepe (Post 2001816)
Its about ivory, IMO. William wants a complete ban so that makes the position difficult.

The Queen has indicated her support of Catherine by letting her use jewellery that is of real personal significance. I think that is important.

I dont expect everyone to agree but thats my view

That's all fine and great, but Catherine should already have the family order. The order can be made without ivory. No one is using their heads on this issue at all. This wouldn't be happening with Mary, Marie, Sophie, Camilla, Diana, Sofia or Maxima. For some odd reason Catherine is singled out over something that's very easy to solve. Simple stuff.

tommy100 07-12-2017 06:30 PM

Interestingly the Queen wasn't wearing her RFOs tonight was she?

Mbruno 07-12-2017 06:58 PM

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Originally Posted by maria-olivia (Post 2001860)
The Collar of the Golden Fleece and the Sash of the Order of the Garter. Perfect.
Did his Father received the Garter also ?

Yes, he did in 1988.

Curryong 07-12-2017 07:40 PM

Wasnt Harry wearing the Star of a Spanish Order tonight?

Iluvbertie 07-12-2017 07:50 PM

Catherine isn't wearing the order because the Queen doesn't think she has done enough to earn it - quite simple really.

As people have pointed out it could be made from something other than ivory so that can't be a reason which then leaves only that the Queen wants her to do more to earn it.

cepe 07-12-2017 07:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Curryong (Post 2001906)
Wasnt Harry wearing the Star of a Spanish Order tonight?

I'll admit that I have no idea what the 2nd badge is, but I find it really hard to believe that Harry received a Spanish Order before William.

Dman 07-12-2017 09:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Iluvbertie (Post 2001910)
Catherine isn't wearing the order because the Queen doesn't think she has done enough to earn it - quite simple really.

As people have pointed out it could be made from something other than ivory so that can't be a reason which then leaves only that the Queen wants her to do more to earn it.

Twenty years you'll be saying the same thing, Iluvbertie. All while Catherine is working and about to embark on her next royal tour and there's another tour in the fall.

Folks can go on to ignore the work, but the proof is in the pudding.

Pranter 07-12-2017 09:52 PM

I really don't know why folks keep saying she's not doing enough....she's doing exactly what she is being asked to do. The Queen is not loaning out personal jewelry to someone she doesn't hold in high regard.

If she's not gotten an order (and she could of gotten them and not wearing due to the ivory issue) it's not because she's under-preforming.


LaRae

Dman 07-12-2017 10:28 PM

If Harry got a Spanish Order from The King, why wasn't this announced on the day of the State Visit? Something is just off in the royal household. When it comes to orders, the British royals just get very weird and strange. So many cobwebs that needs to be cleaned out and some transparency needs to be installed.

Skippyboo 07-12-2017 10:34 PM

Did Andrew, Anne get orders too? They are also participating by escorting the King and Queen tomorrow. If so, Spain is very Oprah like with their orders. You get an order, You get an order [emoji6]

Dman 07-12-2017 10:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Skippyboo (Post 2001943)
Did Andrew, Anne get orders too? They are also participating by escorting the King and Queen tomorrow. If so, Spain is very Oprah like with their orders. You get an order, You get an order [emoji6]

No, they don't have any Spanish orders.

It appears Harry got one from The King. I'm not sure about William though. If there was some transparency about these orders and announcements about who got what and why a person haven't got one yet, a lot of confusion about these orders wouldn't occur.

Again, the British royals are just odd and weird with orders. It's all treated as some mysterious secret.

Iluvbertie 07-12-2017 11:22 PM

To the royals there is no confusion. It is only amongst royal watchers.

Dman 07-12-2017 11:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Iluvbertie (Post 2001955)
To the royals there is no confusion. It is only amongst royal watchers.

When there's a lack of transparency from the royal household and royals, royal watchers will always be confused. None of this stuff is hard to announce and mention.

Buckingham Palace can say a member of the royal family has received this order upon a State Visit. They can say within a year The Queen will award a senior member of the royal family with the family order. They are the ones that choose to keep everything like its an ancient secret that only the Gods are privy to.

Everyone knows it don't make sense Catherine hasn't received the family order after six years of service and still serving. It could've been announced that Harry has received an order on the day of the State Visit. Even Richard Palmer said the palace just don't want to say anything about it. That's plain dumb.

Osipi 07-13-2017 01:11 AM

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Originally Posted by Pranter (Post 2001817)
And not the first time either (bringing to mind the lovely bracelet she's worn a couple times, wasn't that a wedding gift for the Queen also?)....IIRC.



LaRae

The bracelet you're referring to was designed by Philip and made with diamonds from his mother and was a wedding present to his wife. I don't think you can get more personal than that. :biggrin:

VictoriaB 07-13-2017 02:04 AM

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Originally Posted by Dman (Post 2001958)

Everyone knows it don't make sense Catherine hasn't received the family order after six years of service and still serving.

The fact that people are disagreeing with you suggests not everyone thinks it makes no sense that Kate hasn't received the RFO. It makes no sense to you but clearly it makes sense to the Queen or else she would have given it to her.

Once again, I suspect people on this board are getting more upset about this than the royals themselves.

Duc_et_Pair 07-13-2017 02:05 AM

The ivory issue makes zero comma zero sense. Does this mean that W & C will throw all piano's out of the palace, the billiard balls, the haircombs, the fans, the Scottish bagpipes, sculpured artworks, letter-openers, silver cutlery, ivory covers, ivory inlays of furniture and what not more?

Boy... order a dozen of containers to throw all out of the palace what contains ivory...

Osipi 07-13-2017 02:29 AM

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Originally Posted by Duc_et_Pair (Post 2001981)
The ivory issue makes zero comma zero sense. Does this mean that W & C will throw all piano's out of the palace, the billiard balls, the haircombs, the fans, the Scottish bagpipes, sculpured artworks, letter-openers, silver cutlery, ivory covers, ivory inlays of furniture and what not more?

Boy... order a dozen of containers to throw all out of the palace what contains ivory...

Problematic. First a committee would have be to be formed headed by Charles to assess and determine the best ecological means for disposal of these items and to ensure that the containers they are in are biodegradable and not harmful to the earth. They're best off left where they are and still admired for their beauty. :whistling:

Disposing of things already made in ivory makes absolutely no sense whatsoever as its not going to bring the animal the ivory belonged to back. The Queen Mum had even gone on safari and bagged a few trophies herself back in the day.

To discontinue using ivory is a different matter and I'm behind United for Wildlife in that respect. Its the protection of the animal itself that provides the ivory and is working to prevent the illegal poaching for ivory.

We don't know the exact reasons behind the Queen's thinking on the RFO for Kate and most likely we never will. Personally, I'm of the opinion that instead of the RFO made of ivory for Kate, HM shows her appreciation of Kate's contribution to the family with the loan of her own personal jewelry.

Iluvbertie 07-13-2017 03:12 AM

Remember that a lot of the stuff made from ivory in the royal palaces doesn't belong to the royal family but to the nation as it is part of the Royal Collection and thus the royals can't actually dispose of it.

As DMan you seem to feel that HM hasn't done the right thing by Kate may I suggest that you write and tell her that Kate should have an order as obviously HM doesn't know what she is doing. Personally I think HM knows exactly what she is doing and why she hasn't given Kate any honours - we can speculate but we don't know - only HM knows the reason and she is the only one who can tell any of us. For all we know it could have been offered and Kate could have refused indicating that when William is King there won't be any such honours given and this is the start of their way of 'modernising' the monarchy.

W.Y.CII 07-13-2017 04:40 AM

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Originally Posted by Dman (Post 2001871)
That's all fine and great, but Catherine should already have the family order. The order can be made without ivory. No one is using their heads on this issue at all. This wouldn't be happening with Mary, Marie, Sophie, Camilla, Diana, Sofia or Maxima. For some odd reason Catherine is singled out over something that's very easy to solve. Simple stuff.

:unsure: Honestly I don't see any unfairness about Kate doesn't receive RFO, and you cannot compare Kate to these ladies. Mary, Marie, Sophie, Camilla, Diana, Sofia and Maxima all are the spouse of monarch's child but not spouse of monarch's grandchild.

All recipients of RFO are member from the QEII's generation (e.g. her sister), previous generation (previous two queens) and younger generation (her children and their spouse). Although we don't know do her granddaughters have RFO, it is understandable for Kate (who from the 3rd generation) not receiving RFO (of course it'll be great if she has).

I think it is not (only) about QEII like you or not, but about which generation you are.

Duc_et_Pair 07-13-2017 04:51 AM

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Originally Posted by W.Y.CII (Post 2002000)
:unsure: Honestly I don't see any unfairness about Kate doesn't receive RFO, and you cannot compare Kate to these ladies. Mary, Marie, Sophie, Camilla, Diana, Sofia and Maxima all are the spouse of monarch's child but not spouse of monarch's grandchild.

All recipients of RFO are member from the QEII's generation (e.g. her sister), previous generation (previous two queens) and younger generation (her children and their spouse). Although we don't know do her granddaughters have RFO, it is understandable for Kate (who from the 3rd generation) not receiving RFO (of course it'll be great if she has).

I think it is not (only) about QEII like you or not, but about which generation you are.

That makes very good sense, the generational differences.


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