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lilnana 12-23-2010 07:56 PM

If the king married unequally, Victoria didn't' either, and most likely neither will Madeleine or Carl Philip so to say Birgitta would make the best choice because she did doesn't hold water. And as far as primogeniture, Margaretha, along with her sisters were never apart of succession, and according to the current succession the sisters are still excluded so if they did decide to chose someone they have no reason to bound by the idea of birth order. If Sweden though that keeping their royal family that they would choose someone to take over wouldn't they want to choose the one that has been the most active in terms of representation? Christina does the most, she helped with the previous king, and still does with the current king. But this is all hypothetical, and isn't something that would realistically happen.

Josefine 02-27-2012 01:24 PM

Since 2012 February 23th
  1. HRH The Crown Princess, Duchess of Västergötland (Princess Victoria, born 1977)
  2. HRH The Duchess of Östergötland (Princess Estelle, born 2012)
  3. HRH The Duke of Värmland (Prince Carl Philip, born 1979)
  4. HRH The Duchess of Hälsingland and Gästrikland (Princess Madeleine, born 1982)

Josefine 02-27-2012 01:51 PM

The last time the line og succesion was changed were 1997 january 5th when prince Bertil died who were 4th in line

in the bernadotte era as most there 11 in line to the throne

31th october 1916, prince Carl Johan is born

HRH The Crown Prince, Duke of Skåne (prince Gustaf Adolf born 1982)
HRH Duke of Västerbotten, (prince Gustaf Adolf born 1906)
HRH Duke of Uppland (prince Sigvard born 1907)
HRH Duke of Halland (prince Bertil born 1912)
HRH Duke of Dalarna (prince Carl Johan born 1916)
HRH Duke of Södermanland (prince Wilhelm born 1984)
HRH Duke of Småland (prince Lennart born 1909)
HRH Duke of Västmanland (prince Erik born 1989)
HRH Duke of Västergötland (prince Carl born 1911)
HRH Duke of Östergötland (prince Carl jr born 1911)
HRH Duke of Närke (prince Eugen born 1965)

Meraude 03-02-2012 12:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Karisma (Post 1177583)
* The only one of King Carl XVI Gustaf siblings who married King Gusav the VI th Adolf state, and the Swedish Government, is Princess Birgitta of marriage to Prince Johann Georg of Hohenzollern. Most likely would Princess Birgitta and her family be asked in the event of a disaster and the whole of the current Royal family wiped out.

I would guess that all three of princess Birgitta's children are Catholics (as they all have Maria among their names and their father being a Catholic), and as the Swedish succession order says in 4§ ( https://lagen.nu/1810:0926 ) that a person who doesn't belong to the "pure Evangelical faith" and have not been brought up in that faith, are excluded from the succession, which should make the Hohenzollern children non-eligible.

Grandduchess24 03-24-2012 02:21 PM

Does the catholic rule apply to the Swedish royal family as well? You know if you marry a catholic you lose your place in the line of succession?

Lumutqueen 03-24-2012 02:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Grandduchess24 (Post 1391579)
Does the catholic rule apply to the Swedish royal family as well? You know if you marry a catholic you lose your place in the line of succession?

There is a provision that states, the royal family shall belong to the "pure evangelical faith", i.e., the (Evangelical-Lutheran) Church of Sweden. It says nothing about limiting marriage to a member of a different faith.

Artemisia 03-24-2012 03:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Grandduchess24 (Post 1391579)
Does the catholic rule apply to the Swedish royal family as well? You know if you marry a catholic you lose your place in the line of succession?

Catholics are barred from inheriting the Throne but, unlike Britain, they are not the only ones. The Swedish Act of Succession 1810 states that the Monarch and members of the Royal Family must belong to Lutheran (evangelical) faith.
Other limitations:
- Children of the Monarchmust be brought up in Sweden
- Members of the Royal Family cannot marry without the Monarch's consent
- The heir to the throne cannot travel abroad without the Monarch's permission

Lumutqueen 03-24-2012 03:01 PM

The heir is also prevented from becoming the head of state in another country, either by election or marriage, without the consent of the monarch and the government, by forfeit of all rights of succession for themselves and their heirs.

mattep74 03-24-2012 03:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Artemisia (Post 1391617)
Catholics are barred from inheriting the Throne but, unlike Britain, they are not the only ones. The Swedish Act of Succession 1810 states that the Monarch and members of the Royal Family must belong to Lutheran (evangelical) faith.
Other limitations:
- Children of the Monarchmust be brought up in Sweden
- Members of the Royal Family cannot marry without the Monarch's consent
- The heir to the throne cannot travel abroad without the Monarch's permission

many swedes think its strange that the royal family must be lutherans as the Swedish church isnt what you would call a lutheran church nowdays. Its more of a socialdemocratic church

Esmerelda 03-24-2012 04:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Grandduchess24
Does the catholic rule apply to the Swedish royal family as well? You know if you marry a catholic you lose your place in the line of succession?

This is from the Act of Succession (via google translate)
the King shall always profess the pure evangelical doctrine, such as that in the unaltered Augsburg Confession, and the Uppsala Meeting decision of the year 1593, adopted and explained, thus princes and princesses of the Royal. House shall be brought in the same faith and within the realm. Those of the Royal Family not professing this faith, from all rights of succession is excluded. Act (1979:935).

I take that to mean the spouses of those in the line of succession can profess any religion as they never had a right to the throne in the first place.

Meraude 03-26-2012 03:23 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Grandduchess24 (Post 1391579)
Does the catholic rule apply to the Swedish royal family as well? You know if you marry a catholic you lose your place in the line of succession?

No, there is nothing preventing a member of the Swedish royal family to marry a Catholic, in fact queen Désirée remained a Catholic all her life and Oscar I married Joséphine who kept her Catholic faith and brought a Catholic priest with her to Sweden, and her children were brought up in the Lutheran faith.

Esmerelda 03-26-2012 07:13 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Meraude
No, there is nothing preventing a member of the Swedish royal family to marry a Catholic, in fact queen Désirée remained a Catholic all her life and Oscar I married Joséphine who kept her Catholic faith and brought a Catholic priest with her to Sweden, and her children were brought up in the Lutheran faith.

Did Carl XIV Johan have to convert to Protestantism?

Meraude 03-26-2012 11:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Esmerelda (Post 1392548)
Did Carl XIV Johan have to convert to Protestantism?

Yes, both Karl XIV Johan and Oscar I had to convert to Lutheranism when Karl Johan became heir to the Swedish throne.

Josefine 02-21-2014 11:26 AM

This is the first time since 1950 there Will be 5 Line of succession
In oktober 29th, 1950, Gustav V dies And the succession were 4.

T
20 februari 2014, princess NN, daughter to princess Madeleine was born
1. Crown princess Victoria,
2. Princess Estelle,
3. Princess Carl Philip,
4. Princess Madeleine,
5. Princess NN,

Josefine 02-21-2014 11:34 AM

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Originally Posted by Josefine (Post 1377404)
The last time the line og succesion was changed were 1997 january 5th when prince Bertil died who were 4th in line

in the bernadotte era as most there 11 in line to the throne

31th october 1916, prince Carl Johan is born

HRH The Crown Prince, Duke of Skåne (prince Gustaf Adolf born 1982)
HRH Duke of Västerbotten, (prince Gustaf Adolf born 1906)
HRH Duke of Uppland (prince Sigvard born 1907)
HRH Princess Ingrid (born 1910)
HRH Duke of Halland (prince Bertil born 1912)
HRH Duke of Dalarna (prince Carl Johan born 1916)
HRH Duke of Södermanland (prince Wilhelm born 1984)
HRH Duke of Småland (prince Lennart born 1909)
HRH Duke of Västmanland (prince Erik born 1989)
HRH Duke of Västergötland (prince Carl born 1861)
HRH Princess Margaretha (bron 1899)
HRH Princess Märtha (born 1901)
HRH Princess Astrid (born 1905)

HRH Duke of Östergötland (prince Carl jr born 1911)
HRH Duke of Närke (prince Eugen born 1965)

I wonder what the list would look like if girls were included

Josefine 03-05-2016 06:24 AM

The new line of succession is from 2016.03.02
The Last time there were 7 in line in sweden were when the current king was born april 30th 1946
The Kings father died january 26th 1947 and there were yes again 6 in line to the swedish throne

1. Crown princess Victoria,
2. Princess Estelle,
3. Prince Oscar
4. Prince Carl Philip,
5. Princess Madeleine,
6. Princess Leonore
7. Prince Nicolas

GracieGiraffe 03-05-2016 07:41 AM

:previous: Soon to be 8 and I think we can expect at least one more little one, perhaps 3-4 more in the coming years. Never mind the line of succession, grandma and grandpa have a lot of toy shopping to do at Christmas these days.

Madame Verseau 03-05-2016 07:58 AM

By the king's birthday on April 30th, the line of succession will be:

1. Crown princess Victoria,
2. Princess Estelle,
3. Prince Oscar,
4. Prince Carl Philip,
5. Prince(ss) Bernadotte-Hellqvist,
6. Princess Madeleine,
7. Princess Leonore
8. Prince Nicolas

xenobia 03-05-2016 08:03 AM

There were some criticism when Madeleines children got royal rank and titles from the king. But I think it's very logical. He has first hand knowledge of the difficulties that a royal family can have if and when the line of succession is very short. With the development we're seeing - all the kings three children will soon be parents - the line of succession is secure. And I honestly think that he considers that the best part of his legacy.

xenobia 03-05-2016 08:06 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Madame Verseau (Post 1868946)
By the king's birthday on April 30th, the line of succession will be:

1. Crown princess Victoria,
2. Princess Estelle,
3. Prince Oscar,
4. Prince Carl Philip,
5. Prince(ss) Bernadotte-Hellqvist,
6. Princess Madeleine,
7. Princess Leonore
8. Prince Nicolas

Yes, but as you know the #5 won't have a last name, just like his/her cousins. He/she will just be prince/princess NN.

I also think that Madeleine will have more children, and it's very likely that Carl Philip will add to the succession order more than once. So my guess is that there will be at least 10 people in this line within the next few years.


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