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crisiñaki 03-03-2007 06:05 PM

Order of St Constantine
 
San Constantino

is this for real?

Marengo 03-06-2007 08:33 AM

There is an order of SS George and Constantine but that was the Greek Royal order. There also is the sacred constantinian order of St. George, which is rather famous. I believe the head of tyhe House of the Two Sicilies was involved in this, but I am not scompletely sure.

This order seems to be fake, I never heard of it anyway and when you read about the 'dynasty' it seems rather shaky.

Von Schlesian 07-04-2007 02:51 AM

The 'Order of St. Constantine' holds no status as a secular or religious order of chivalry. It is most likely a re-invention of an order that existed centuries ago (such as the Order of the Temple etc), but fell into non-existence for a variety of possible reasons.

BeatrixFan 07-04-2007 03:14 AM

Beautiful website. Wonder who did it? As for the Order, what's happened here is that some guy has found himself distantly related to Royalty and resurrected an old order with titles etc. Now, without blowing my own trumpet, one of my very very very very distant relatives was Charles V of Bohemia. So it would be the equivalent of me popping onto Wikipedia, finding an old Bohemian Order of Chivalry and claiming it to be fully functional with me as the top dog.

Von Schlesian 07-04-2007 03:16 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BeatrixFan (Post 635984)
Beautiful website. Wonder who did it? As for the Order, what's happened here is that some guy has found himself distantly related to Royalty and resurrected an old order with titles etc. Now, without blowing my own trumpet, one of my very very very very distant relatives was Charles V of Bohemia. So it would be the equivalent of me popping onto Wikipedia, finding an old Bohemian Order of Chivalry and claiming it to be fully functional with me as the top dog.

BeatrixFan - you've got it in one.

Von Schlesian 07-04-2007 03:33 AM

Regarding the identity of the Sovereign Grand Master:
John Chapelle Paleologo is a Maltese noble holding the title of 10th Count Ciantar-Paleologo and Prince of Mistra (in Greece). The claim is that the Order became 'discrete' in the 15th century, but that the position of Grand Master has always been passed down to the oldest male heir.

In conclusion, the order is still not a recognised secular or religious order despite this additional information. The Crown upon the insignia is identical to the one seen on the Orders of Military and Civil Merit of Bulgaria (during the monarchy), suggesting a claim of a sovereign house under the Byzantine Empire (which is plainly not the case).


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