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dazzling 03-19-2007 02:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Empress
Why would Princess Claire And Prince Laurent come after Lorenz and Astrid? As Laurent is a son of a reigning monarch, he should by rights "outrank" his sister, and she should come after him in any official function. Or am I totally wrong?

I assume it comes by age after the heir, doesnt it ?

kwanfan 03-19-2007 02:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Empress
Why would Princess Claire And Prince Laurent come after Lorenz and Astrid? As Laurent is a son of a reigning monarch, he should by rights "outrank" his sister, and she should come after him in any official function. Or am I totally wrong?

Perhaps, since Belgium has equal succession rights for men and women, precedence is determined by age.

Henri M. 03-19-2007 04:17 PM

Prince Laurent is very low in preseance
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by kwanfan
Perhaps, since Belgium has equal succession rights for men and women, precedence is determined by age.

Correct.

The precedence is as follows:

The King
The Queen
Queen Fabiola
The Duke of Brabant (1)
The Duchess of Brabant
Princess Elisabeth (2)
Prince Gabriel (3)
Prince Emmanuel (4)
Princess Astrid (5)
Prince Lorenz
Prince Amedeo (6)
Princess Maria Laura (7)
Prince Joachim (8)
Princess Luisa Maria (9)
Prince Laurent (10)
Princess Claire
Prince Nicolas (11)
Prince Aymeric (12)

kez_1982 03-19-2007 06:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Henri M.
Correct.

The precedence is as follows:

The King
The Queen
Queen Fabiola
The Duke of Brabant (1)
The Duchess of Brabant
Princess Elisabeth (2)
Prince Gabriel (3)
Prince Emmanuel (4)
Princess Astrid (5)
Prince Lorenz
Prince Amedeo (6)
Princess Maria Laura (7)
Prince Joachim (8)
Princess Luisa Maria (9)
Prince Laurent (10)
Princess Claire
Prince Nicolas (11)
Prince Aymeric (12)

You're missing Princess Louise in the list!!:flowers: The precedence is:

The King
The Queen
Queen Fabiola
The Duke of Brabant (1)
The Duchess of Brabant
Princess Elisabeth (2)
Prince Gabriel (3)
Prince Emmanuel (4)
Princess Astrid (5)
Prince Lorenz
Prince Amedeo (6)
Princess Maria Laura (7)
Prince Joachim (8)
Princess Luisa Maria (9)
Prince Laurent (10)
Princess Claire
Princess Louise (11)
Prince Nicolas (12)
Prince Aymeric (13)

Henri M. 03-19-2007 07:17 PM

Good heavens, with all those babies plopping like popcorn I can no longer keep track with them...

You're right. Princess Louise comes after her mum and before her twin brothers. It will be unlikely she will attend royal events when her cousin Elisabeth is Queen, anyway.

BMC 03-19-2007 07:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Henri M.
Good heavens, with all those babies plopping like popcorn I can no longer keep track with them...

You're right. Princess Louise comes after her mum and before her twin brothers. It will be unlikely she will attend royal events when her cousin Elisabeth is Queen, anyway.

LOL Henri M. with his plopping babies again! :rofl:

Empress 03-19-2007 07:40 PM

Hah! Well that does get a bit confusing I guess.

Beate 03-19-2007 10:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kez_1982
You're missing Princess Louise in the list!!:flowers: The precedence is:

The King
The Queen
Queen Fabiola
The Duke of Brabant (1)
The Duchess of Brabant
Princess Elisabeth (2)
Prince Gabriel (3)
Prince Emmanuel (4)
Princess Astrid (5)
Prince Lorenz
Prince Amedeo (6)
Princess Maria Laura (7)
Prince Joachim (8)
Princess Luisa Maria (9)
Prince Laurent (10)
Princess Claire
Princess Louise (11)
Prince Nicolas (12)
Prince Aymeric (13)

Sorry, it is still incomplete as the youngest daugther of Astrid and Lorenz was forgotten, Laetitia Maria..:)That would make Laurent number 11..

leanne 03-20-2007 03:36 AM

Henri M.]Complete translations are not allowed on this board, another rule which I have learned a few days ago. So I will not give you the background information and only the program points as a summary:

Thank you Henri for your program points in English. My high school French wasn't much good!

anneke 03-20-2007 04:51 AM

State visit Luxemburg to Belgium
 
I hope we see beautiful dresses and tiara's on this evening?

Henri M. 03-20-2007 05:59 AM

Diademes for sure
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by anneke
I hope we see beautiful dresses and tiara's on this evening?

The only surprise will come from the Grand Duchess: what will she wear?

My prediction:

The Queen: the Diademe of the Nine Provinces

The Grand Duchess: the Grand Duchess Elisaveta Michailovna Diademe

Queen Fabiola: no diademe

The Duchess of Brabant: her wedding-gift diademe (diamond laurel-leafs)

Archduchess Astrid of Habsburg-Este: her Savoia-Aosta heirloom diademe

Princess Claire: her small diademe

dazzling 03-20-2007 07:50 AM

Pictures from the arrvival ceremony
Grand Duchess Maria Teresa, Grand Duke Henri, Belgium's King Albert II and Queen Paola - picture
More pictures (reuters via yahoo news)

Maria-Teresa looks wonderful today

alexandresylvie 03-20-2007 08:14 AM

I find strange that Big Duke du Luxambourg is acceuillis pa King and the Queen and not by Philippe and Mathilde. Deplus on the site of the Monarchy this visit was got rid of by the Diaries of all safe Royal Member(Limb) of the Family of those of King and the Queen

Henri M. 03-20-2007 08:29 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by alexandresylvie
I find strange that Big Duke du Luxambourg is acceuillis pa King and the Queen and not by Philippe and Mathilde. Deplus on the site of the Monarchy this visit was got rid of by the Diaries of all safe Royal Member(Limb) of the Family of those of King and the Queen

The grand-ducal couple will have déjeuner with the King & Queen, with Queen Fabiola, with Prince Philippe & Princess Mathilde and with Princess Astrid & Prince Lorenz.

You can clearly see that the Dutch Court uses more protocol (hats, etc.) then their Benelux colleagues. When the Queen visited Brussels, also Queen Paola and Princess Mathilde wore hats.

lucien 03-20-2007 08:41 AM

PPE Agency

Courtesy PPE/.

Empress 03-20-2007 08:56 AM

Well, I am not so sure that I would call that protocol, but perhaps more a personal choice by the Dutch Royals to hold to the older, more traditional way of doing things... of which I certainly approve (as if they needed the approval), and applaud! I like tradition!

Stefan 03-20-2007 09:14 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Henri M.
The grand-ducal couple will have déjeuner with the King & Queen, with Queen Fabiola, with Prince Philippe & Princess Mathilde and with Princess Astrid & Prince Lorenz.

You can clearly see that the Dutch Court uses more protocol (hats, etc.) then their Benelux colleagues. When the Queen visited Brussels, also Queen Paola and Princess Mathilde wore hats.

I think the belgian roya ladies wore hat when Queen Margrethe II. and Prince Henrik paid an State Visit to Blegium a few years ago. Don't know if the wore hats at the State Visits from Norway and Sweden in 2001 and 2003.

carlota 03-20-2007 10:44 AM

beautiful photos of the visit. i loved maria teresa's outfit and the embroidery of her coat :) she also seems to have a different hair-style now.

i love benelux visits and benelux royals. there have been quite a few visits lately between the three countries and they never dissappoint. they know how to combine protocol with informality and with beautiful tiaras and dresses (not to mention how adorable the benelux ladies are - from fabiola, to the grand duchess, mathilde, maxima, astrid... full of grace and elegance).

i can't wait for pictures of this evening :)

elmabruin 03-20-2007 11:15 AM

Maria- teresa looks wonderful.

dazzling 03-20-2007 11:18 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Empress
Well, I am not so sure that I would call that protocol, but perhaps more a personal choice by the Dutch Royals to hold to the older, more traditional way of doing things... of which I certainly approve (as if they needed the approval), and applaud! I like tradition!

I agree with you Empress, tradition is always great. I like all the formal things such as the hats etc. I tend to miss it sometimes
Queen Paola looks great, her suit color does suite her very well, Maria-Teresa's hair looks great.

a few pictures attend a ceremony at the Congress Column in Brussels, Tuesday 20 March 2007
Picture 1
Picture 2
picture 3

isifa gallery


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