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purple_platinum 01-04-2007 09:13 AM

Royal Family of Belgium - Current Events, Part 6 (Jan. 2007 - Jan. 2009)
 
A new year, a new thread for Royal Family of Belgium' current events

The previous thread can be found here


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selminha 01-10-2007 11:38 AM

Belgian royals attending the memorial service for Joséphine-Charlotte????

lucien 01-11-2007 12:13 PM

New Years reception at the Royal Palace,Brussel today:

http://www.ppe-agency.com/show.php?z...2007%20Brussel

Courtesy PPE.

alexandresylvie 01-11-2007 12:49 PM

link (source Belga.be) : http://picture.belga.be/cgi-bin/belg...es/164758.html

Stefanie 01-11-2007 02:36 PM

Beautiful Mathilde!
 
Boy this woman is so dropdead gorgeous! An exquisite beauty and a born princess. If I imagine what a wonderful couple she´d have made by marrying Felipe of Spain I could cry every time.

Henri M. 01-11-2007 03:25 PM

Mabelian couture
 
It looks like the Duchess of Brabant has left her regular couturier Natan and went for the Mabelian way.

The creation she wore today does look like a Viktor & Rolf, as known the favourite couturier of Princess Mabel.

:flowers:

It is a pity the Belgian New Year's Reception is so low key. The Dutch one at least still has formal wear (jaquet). No diademes and white tie because the reception was a day event. The Belgian New Year's Reception was very sober, I must say.... even republics like Portugal have more grandeur!! Quite surprising for such a Bourgondic country as Belgium.

:neutral:

LadyK 01-11-2007 05:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Henri M.
It looks like the Duchess of Brabant has left her regular couturier Natan and went for the Mabelian way.

I love Mathilde, and she is so pretty, but I hate that lion ruff-like ruffle on that blouse. Mathilde, leave it for Mabel!

Marengo 01-11-2007 05:40 PM

Does anybody know why HM Queen Paola did not attend the reception?

Henri M. 01-11-2007 06:06 PM

Queen Paola
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Marengo
Does anybody know why HM Queen Paola did not attend the reception?

I don't know? Shocked by the problems around her youngest son, Prince Laurent?

By the way, I have the idea the Queen has not fully recovered since her nasty fall in Italy, last year. It looks a little bit as she has become depressed, don't you think?

The wonderful documentary 'Paola, paroles de Reine' (filmed in Venice, Italy) was made before the fall (in which she broke her arm on two places).

fanletizia 01-24-2007 08:22 AM

Crown Princess Mathilde (L), Queen Fabiola (C), Prince Laurent (C, rear) and Crown Prince Philippe arrive at a traditional new year reception for government members and business leaders at the Brussels Royal Palace January 24, 2007.

http://news.yahoo.com/photo/070124/i...r530024458.jpg
http://news.yahoo.com/photo/070124/i...1112934419.jpg
http://news.yahoo.com/photo/070124/i...r184889842.jpg
http://news.yahoo.com/photo/070124/i...2747447188.jpg

Gallery

http://picture.belga.be/cgi-bin/belg...es/165426.html

From ppe

http://www.ppe-agency.com/500px/Jan2007/07012425.jpg
http://www.ppe-agency.com/500px/Jan2007/07012404.jpg
http://www.ppe-agency.com/500px/Jan2007/07012422.jpg

Gallery

http://www.ppe-agency.com/show.php?z...2007%20Brussel

antonieta 01-24-2007 11:12 AM

Thank you for the photos.

selminha 01-24-2007 11:13 AM

Mathilde is looks great.
The hairdo is very pretty!!!

HMQueenElizabethII 01-24-2007 12:17 PM

It's great seeing the Belgian Royals again. But unfortunately without Princess Astrid or maybe she gets the chances for Prince Laurent to attend?But they looked great and happy especially Princess Mathilde, lovely to see her smiling.

leanne 01-24-2007 04:56 PM

Thank you for posting the photos. It is always lovely to see the Royal Family. I wonder why Princess Claire was not there also?

amina1 01-24-2007 06:43 PM

LOVE P.Mathilde new hair cut!!;)

acegirl1978 01-24-2007 08:31 PM

From the comment #5, I personally think she fits more with hfer Crown Prince Phillipe of Belgium as the way it is....

royaltywatcher 01-24-2007 11:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Stefanie
Boy this woman is so dropdead gorgeous! An exquisite beauty and a born princess. If I imagine what a wonderful couple she´d have made by marrying Felipe of Spain I could cry every time.

I agree that Mathilde is exquisite and the most truly royal of all the princesses in Europe, born or not. I might have agreed five years ago that she would have made a good match with Felipe of Spain. But in that time I think Phillipe of Belgium has become significantly more attractive and Felipe of Spain less attractive (although of course he is still a good-looking man).

lilytornado 01-24-2007 11:38 PM

To be honest: I think she looks ok, pretty at best, but I never would consider her being beautiful. That being said, I think she does her job very good and I think she is a very nice person.

Henri M. 01-25-2007 10:19 AM

Beside all the ooh and aah for Mathilde....
 
The very same New Year's Reception ended in a public riot in Belgian media and politics.

The Duke of Brabant (Prince Philippe) attacked two chief-editors, Yves de Smet of De Morgen and Paul van den Driessche of the commercial TV-station VTM. The Prince raised his voice and stated sharply: "I demand that you show reverence for my function and that you show respect and honour for my House. Otherwise it is not right that you are here. If you remain to inform (the public) in the same way, you will no longer be welcome. I promise you: I will never fall back when it is about my Mission". According to both (flabbergasted) chief-editors, the Duchess was trying to pull her spouse away but the Duke could no longer held his anger inside.

In the meantime the premier minister, Guy Verhofstadt, has given a public reprimand to the Prince, stating that he can not handle the media in this way. All this caused new consternation in Belgian politics. The newspaper Het Laatste Nieuws quoted politicians:

The premier minister, Guy Verhofstadt:
"The way the Prince acted was inappropriate."

Labour Party, Johan Vande Lanotte:
"It is important that the Prince realize the warnings and signals, otherwise the debate on a purely ceremonial monarchy will come closer."

Flemish Liberals, Bart Somers:
"Especially his threat to declare journalists persona non grata went too far. But the debate on the role of the monarchy should be done in all serenity and not on base of an incident."

New Flemish Alliance, Bart de Wever:
"Now it is time to discuss the influence of the King and the role of the monarchy. We can no longer wait for this debate. Society should for once and for ever show the palace that mediaeval times are far behind us and that in the 21st century we do not need a monarchy with political influence. It is totally absurd that the King signs acts and decrees, declares war, grants pardon, has the supreme command on the armed forces, bestows nobility and whatever'.

Green!, Vera Dua:
"The Prince is free to show his disapproval with media, but to threathen to ban certain journalists is a bridge too far. It is time to start a discussion about a purely protocollary form of monarchy".

Flemish Interest:
"Once again the monarchy has shown it is a real danger to democracy and a danger for society".

The biggest Flemish Party (Christian Democrats) refused to comment.

Aurora810 01-25-2007 06:28 PM

I was looking for more info on the above story that Henri M. posted but I didn't find anything. I did however find info on a Navy embezzlement trial on yahoo. The article said that the RF could be "potentially embarassed by the scandal". But the article was from Jan. 9 and I don't know the results or if this is an embarassing thing for the royal family. So does anyone know more about this?

Also in the article I read, it sounded as though the King in Belgium has complete power which I thought most Kings and Queens nowadays have more of a figurative role or ceremonial role. So does the King of Belgium really have complete power?

Also all these differences of opinions in Belgium seems really interesting and makes me wonder just how popular the RF is in Belgium? Can anyone shed some light on their overall popularity for me?

Please don't get mad or offended by any of my post I'm really just curious and trying to learn about different things.

flcty 01-25-2007 09:11 PM

Prince Filip reprimands journalists
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Aurora810
I was looking for more info on the above story that Henri M. posted but I didn't find anything. I did however find info on a Navy embezzlement trial on yahoo. The article said that the RF could be "potentially embarassed by the scandal". But the article was from Jan. 9 and I don't know the results or if this is an embarassing thing for the royal family. So does anyone know more about this?
Please don't get mad or offended by any of my post I'm really just curious and trying to learn about different things.

Hi Aurora810 :flowers: ,
Prince Filip reprimands journalists
Thu 25/01/07 - An intervention by crown prince Filip during a reception last night is causing much consternation. The heir to the throne of the Belgians openly reprimanded two leading journalists: Yves Desmet, the editor-in-chief of the left-leaning daily De Morgen and Pol Van Den Driessche, the political editor-in-chief of the TV station VTM.
Prince Filip complained that the two editors-in-chief are responsible for reporting that puts him in a far too negative light.
The two editors are both Flemings.
In recent years there has been growing tension between the royal palace and forces seeking greater autonomy for Flanders. The bizarre reprimand occurred during a reception at the royal palace of Brussels to which the country's highest dignitaries had been invited...
...The prince told Pol Van Den Driessche that he couldn't stand the fact that he was friendly when he came to the palace, but criticised him elsewhere.
The prince continued: "If you go on like that, you will no longer be welcome at the palace".
Does the Prince know what freedom of the press is?
The commercial TV channel's political editor-in-chief later said he had the impression that the Prince didn't really know what the freedom of the press was all about.
Pol Deltour of the Flemish Association of Journalists is incensed by the fact that the Prince threatened to ban some journalists from the palace...
...A spokesman for the royal palace was later forced to concede that the conversation between the Prince and the editors-in-chief may have become unpleasant, but insisted all editors-in-chief remain welcome at the palace.
PM Guy Verhofstadt "Not appropriate"
Prime Minister Guy Verhofstadt (Flemish liberal) says that the prince's attitude is not appropriate.
The Premier has also voiced his concern to the palace about the way the prince deals with the press.
It's not the first time that Prince Filip's relations with the media are strained.
Earlier several journalists and businessmen spoke out saying that he was not pulling his weight during an official trip to South Africa.
"Is he fit for the throne?"
In the daily Het Laatste Nieuws the paper's editor Luc Van der kelen wonders if Prince Filip is fit for the throne.
The daily also publishes a handy list of earlier slip ups by the Prince.
During a trip to South Africa the Prince repeats the same speech time and time again in which he compares Belgium to a diamond.
Business people complain the prince looked terribly uninterested.
The Prince also signed a document setting out a list of demands formulated by the Belgian Employers' Organisation VBO that was particularly critical of the government.
In 2004 during a trip to China the Prince attacked the far right Vlaams Belang political party in an interview with the glossy magazine Story.
In the interview the Prince said that in Belgium there were people and parties like Vlaams Belang that want to destroy our country.
He gave an assurance that they would find him on their way...
The rest (bits and pieces that I left out) [it's a really long article with diffrent sub-headings, not three diffrent articles] can be found here...
flandersnews.be - Prince Filip reprimands journalists

flcty 01-25-2007 10:25 PM

Another article concerning the spat...
 
Another article concerning the spat...
Belgian crown prince lashes out at journalists over his coverage in the press
BRUSSELS, Belgium: Belgium's Crown Prince Philippe was at the middle of a new political storm on Thursday after he lashed out at two journalists, warning he would have them barred from the royal palace if they continued to criticize his work...
...According to the journalists, the prince asked to speak to them during a New Year's reception at the palace on Wednesday.
Yves Desmet, editor of the Flemish daily De Morgen, and Pol Van Den Driessche, an editor from VTM television, said Philippe told them that if they did not stop work critical of him, he would have them banned from attending future royal events.
"This should not be permitted, it is not the crown prince's place to say ... you are not welcome in the palace," Van Den Driessche said. "I got the impression that he does not understand press freedom."
They both quoted King Albert's oldest son demanding they show him more respect for his role as heir to the throne and warned them their "negative reports will not block the pursuit of my mission."
"You have to show me respect. I am the crown prince and will become the next king, so the press should not be critical of me," the pair quoted him as saying. "If you continue to write negative stories about the palace then you are no longer welcome"...
...His younger brother Prince Laurent has also had recent run ins with the media over allegations money illegally siphoned from the navy budget was used to fund renovation work on his villa.
The article can be found here...
Belgian crown prince lashes out at journalists over his coverage in the press - International Herald Tribune

flcty 01-25-2007 10:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Aurora810
I was looking for more info on the above story that Henri M. posted but I didn't find anything. I did however find info on a Navy embezzlement trial on yahoo. The article said that the RF could be "potentially embarassed by the scandal". But the article was from Jan. 9 and I don't know the results or if this is an embarassing thing for the royal family. So does anyone know more about this?

If you follow this link...
http://www.theroyalforums.com/forums...a-10662-3.html
...it should give you all the information that you want concerning the fraud scandal.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Aurora810
Also in the article I read, it sounded as though the King in Belgium has complete power which I thought most Kings and Queens nowadays have more of a figurative role or ceremonial role. So does the King of Belgium really have complete power?

I'm not from Belgium so I can only give an answer based on what I already know. There were instances in the past, such as King Baudoin I. Baudoin had to abdicate for one day because he refused to sign a pro-abortion law, and the current, King Albert II, signing a document to allow Laurent to testify in court. The King by my guess has the same power as any other current European reigning monarch except for Liechtenstein (I think Hans-Adam/Alois has a bit more power).

I hope that helps :flowers: .

Aurora810 01-25-2007 11:12 PM

Thanks so much flctylu. Wow, you did a lot of work on that. That's very interesting about King Baudoin abdicating for one day like that. You mentioned that Liechtenstein has more power I was also thinking that Prince Albert of Monaco has a little more power over things there. But I'm only guessing about that based on things he said in an interview on CNN while he was in New York awhile back. Anyways, thanks again.

flcty 01-25-2007 11:24 PM

I'm not sure if this has been posted:
New "Royalty" on VTM:
Follow this link...
Royalty
[The clip is 5 days old].
...Click on the windows media link directly under...
...Herbekijk uitzending van 21 januari 2007...
...[called] bekijk deel 1.
The clip covers the following events...
1. The meeting of the international centre for missing and exploited children. There was an intresting scene at 2.05 min, the door on the limo was stuck and it couldn't be opened.
2. Brussels New Year's Celebration.
3. Prince Philip visiting Volvo Cars in Ghent.
4. Princess Astrid visiting Finland [for a Medical conference, not exactly sure what the conference was about].
5. Princess Claire and Mathilde's birthday. It mainly focused on Princess Claire and a few commantaries from people and clips of her, on duty as a Belgium princess [at 12.40min the women with Claire is her mum, I think].

...bekijk deel 2.
The clip deals with...
1. The van Vollenhoven's on holiday in Bad Gastein, Austria. At 1.50min you can hear Lucas (which by the way looks very cute) shout out something, as he came down the slop. At 2.20min Prince Maurits and Princess Marilene talk to the reporters of VTM, as well as Prince Bernhard and Princess Annette.
2. A lady that looks a lot like Queen Elizabeth II of G.B.
3. A fashion show of some sort.

Henri M. 01-26-2007 03:19 AM

Irritated about hypocrisy
 
It seems that the Duke of Brabant (Prince Philippe) was in fact irritated about the hypocrite attitude of these two editors.

During the New Year's Reception they were polished, well-mannered, friendly and it was 'Yes monseigneur, no monseigneur, of course monseigneur, haha monseigneur' but they haven't even left the palace and there they go again, with their half-lies, their gossips and their fictional stories in their media, making up a whole farce of the monarchy.

Thát was what angered the Duke. And I can replace myself in his position indeed. But sadly enough political reality in Belgium is that many Flemish parties will exploit every riot to the maximum because they believe only the royal family is keeping Belgium together, blocking their wish of an independent Flanders. So they will not hesistate to help the crumbling down of the 'Belgiscist' monarchy if this helps their Flemish dream.

It is sad that so many posters are so blinded by dazzling diademes and colourful gowns but do not see the grumbing beneath. 'Mathilde is such a perfect Princess, always so poised'. The truth, my fellow posters, is that Mathilde is dancing on an awakening vulcano. Remember the fate of the so dazzling and poised Farah Diba...

Regina 01-26-2007 03:56 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Henri M.
Thát was what angered the Duke. And I can replace myself in his position indeed. But sadly enough political reality in Belgium is that many Flemish parties will exploit every riot to the maximum because they believe only the royal family is keeping Belgium together, blocking their wish of an independent Flanders. So they will not hesistate to help the crumbling down of the 'Belgiscist' monarchy if this helps their Flemish dream.

Indeed. From now on they won't stop to acuse Prince Philipe of being a non-democratic person. I quite understand his reaction. I am not from Belgium and I live in a Republic, but it is quite unfair for the Crown Prince how Press treat him many times. No matter how hard he tries to do his job, there is always someone from the press or from independentist parties asking "Is he fit? Is he fit?". One day, sooner or later, he would lost his mind with them. Of course he fits from the job and he will be, imo, a great king. And he deservs respect.


Thanks for the pics of Princess Mathilde :smile: She was elegant and regal, as usual!

Marengo 01-26-2007 06:38 AM

I understand the Duke completely, but still he should have been professional enough to keep his mouth shut. What on earth was he expecting from such a remark anyway? It reminds me a bit of the gaffe of the Prince of Orange in New-Zealand, also human and understandable but it backfired to (though not as much as with the Duke).

I even understand that the journalists would not be welcome at court anymore, but why on earth let Phillipe say this personally? Aren't there a bit more diplomatic channels who could have communicated this to the journalists in question?

Phillipe should have forseen that this could have happened, especiallyvas discretion is not very common in the flemmish media,. They seem to have a rather agressive and disrespectfull attitude towards the monarchy during the last years IMO. I even recall some nasty remarks during the funeral of the late GD of Luxembourg, and that was on the flemmish public channel.

-
I must say January started out rather badly for the RF, lets hope this will not be a trend for the rest of 2007 :(.

Henri M. 01-26-2007 07:13 AM

Domino-effect
 
I'm a little bit eh... 'pissed off' (excusez-moi) about the serious problems of the Belgian monarchy because I fear for a domino-effect in neighbouring Netherlands and Luxembourg.

When the Flemish political parties seriously want to change the Belgian monarchy into a purely protocollair one, and they succeed in that (luckily there is a fierce Wallonian opposition against that, not out of love for the monarchy but only for their own Wallonian interest), then I fear a domino-effect in the Netherlands and Luxembourg.

The progressive majority would suddenly wake up and think about a same scenario in the Netherlands and Luxembourg: 'Look at the neighbours... if they can, why can't we?'

Luckily such a change needs a long procedure and qualified majorities in the States-General, but the sleeping dogs have been disturbed...

:sad:

I agree with Marengo's observation. In the Netherlands the media always have a basic politeness and positive groundtone when reporting about the monarchy. The way the Flemish media reports and behave on the monarchy is sometimes beyond belief. Indeed the funeral of Grand-Duchess Joséphine-Charlotte of Luxembourg (sister of King Albert II and of King Baudouin) came to mind.

Instead of a respectful silence so now and then, it was a continuous babbling of trivia and gossips and even nasty things, while we see pallbearers carrying the catafalque passing by on our television screens.... Unbelievable and without the most minimal respect. Such a vitriolic attitude is unthinkable in the Netherlands. The State Funerals of Prince Claus, Queen Juliana and Prince Bernhard were monumentally covered.

:sad:

beli26 01-26-2007 09:03 AM

Mathilde
http://images2.image-data.com/images...4/24064868.jpg
http://images2.image-data.com/images...4/24064869.jpg

Prince Laurent
http://images2.image-data.com/images...4/24064867.jpg

Mathilde, Queen Fabiola & Philippe
http://images2.image-data.com/images...4/24064881.jpg

Jose 01-26-2007 12:03 PM

Queen Fabiola is grand lady of royal family Belgium. Princess Mathilde and Queen Fabiola is much more relations!

Henri M. 01-26-2007 01:21 PM

Scandalous behaviour
 
The most strange thing in the whole Belgian controverse is the scandalous behaviour of the Belgian Government, especially premier minister Guy Verhofstadt.

The Government bears responsibility for the King, and for the King only. It is understandable that the future King has a special position, but constitutionally he does not exactly fall under ministerial responsibility.

The Prince can not defend himself in public, it is the tradition that the premier minister steps up and speaks for the Prince, eventually even cash the verbal blows in parliament, public and media. What Guy Verhofstadt did, to give the prince a humiliating rebuke in public, is against all manners. The coming general elections in the deeply polarized country will have played a role. Maybe this was showing 'I can act firmly'. But it had nothing to do with statesmanship and was a scandalous act by the premier.

Luckily he will most likely lose the elections and the (usually pro-monarchy) christian-democrats are leading the polls.

flcty 01-26-2007 03:08 PM

I read somewhere online that the reason why Phillipe was angry/upset/vulnerable prior to the media spat was supposidly due to a recent poll done in Belgium. The pole said that they perfered Princess Astrid to be the new monarch than Prince Phillipe, hence the remark made by Phillipe (I guess...) "You have to show me respect. I am the crown prince and will become the next king, so the press should not be critical of me."

Henri M. 01-26-2007 03:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by flctylu
I read somewhere online that the reason why Phillipe was angry/upset/vulnerable prior to the media spat was supposidly due to a recent poll done in Belgium. The pole said that they perfered Princess Astrid to be the new monarch than Prince Phillipe, hence the remark made by Phillipe (I guess...) "You have to show me respect. I am the crown prince and will become the next king, so the press should not be critical of me."

No, the reason was that the editors were all spic-and-span dressed, behaving most well-mannered and polite in front of the Prince while he knew very well that it all was a façade and that the two gentlemen were not even out of sight or the diarrhea of half-fictional stories about Prince Dumb and his brother Prince Dumber are spread in the media.

That the Prince scores low in popularity polls ('we have questioned a representative group of 113 people') is really no news to him. He has always scored low figures.

Henri M. 01-27-2007 09:36 AM

Nasty debate on Prince Philippe in Parliament (1)
 
25 January 2007



The Chairman (mr. Herman de Croo):
The next two questions are directed at the premier minister, who is absent today due to an important meeting in Paris. The questions handle about the statements heard today in the media.

Do the questioners agree that the minister of Justice will answer the questions?
It is approved.

At order are combined questions by:
- mr. Gerolf Annemans to the premier minister about the ''press-policy" and the so-called "mission of Prince Philippe". (Nr. P.1372)
- mr. Koen T'Sijen to the premier minister about the ''press-policy" and the so-called "mission of Prince Philippe". (Nr. P.1373)



Gerolf Annemans (Vlaams Belang):
Thank you mr. Chairman, you are acting like you are giving me any say by asking if mrs. Onkelinx can answer my questions.



The Chairman (mr. Herman de Croo):
I always ask this question, mr. Annemans, when a minister is replaced, if the questioner does agree with that replacement.



Gerolf Annemans (Vlaams Belang):
I want to ask my question today and I can do no other than being saddened that the premier minister is absent and, alike the last round of questions about that other Prince, is being replaced by a French-speaking vice-premier while he has excellent stand-ins like mr. De Gucht, who is here today or by the other Dutch speaking vice-premier. I would have appreciated that more.



The Chairman (mr. Herman de Croo):
The Government is indivisible, mr. Annemans.



Gerolf Annemans (Vlaams Belang):
You says that the government is indivisible, mr. Chairman.



The minister of Foreign Affairs (Karel de Gucht):
[…. making remarks from the benches….]



Gerolf Annemans (Vlaams Belang):
Yes, I think so, mr. De Gucht. I keep up the hope that there is some nuance between you, mr. De Gucht, and mrs. Onkelinx. However, its is true that this hope reduces day by day. There really is a difference in tone between the way the French-speaking part of the country thinks about this newest affair, compared with the Dutch-speaking part of the country. I can better consider the answer given by mrs. Onkelinx as the answer of the government, or at least as that of the premier minister.

The quotations in the press were not all unambiguous. I want to give the most important quotations. The prince would have said the following, this time, temporarily, without apology by De Croo. Last time you were quick to seize your chance, mr. Chairman, to defend the Prince, but for so far this has not happened yet in this affair but maybe you can take up the defence today?

I quote the Prince:
“You are shaking my hand now, but when you write negatively again, you are no longer welcome inside the palace.”
“I demand that you show reverence to my function and that you show respect for this House, otherwise it can not be so that you are here today.”
“You do not like to see me, but I say to you: your negative messages will not prevent me to accomplish my Mission”

I do not know what he means with the word "mission". Is that the manner on which he establishes a sort of religious concept on earth to rule this country and has not been delegated by the people of this country? I do not know if he has a despotic view on his position and on his “mission”. I do not know what his concept is on the constitutional freedom of press in this country.

The premier minister once stated here, a short while ago, about the previous incidents around the heir to the throne: “This must stop and I am certain of it, mr. Annemans: it will stop.”

My question to you, Madam the minister, hopefully answering on behalf of the premier minister is: when will it stop?

Henri M. 01-27-2007 09:41 AM

Nasty debate on Prince Philippe in Parliament (2)
 
Koen T’Sijen (sp.a-Spirit):
Mr. Chairman, Madam the vice-premier, in front of you stands a republican. I have nothing against the Royal House or against the royal family. Let them live at the Château de Laeken and let them accompany on a trade mission so now and then, but I am concerned about democratic functioning of this possibly the last undemocratic institution in this land: the royal family.

I think we have experienced a sad culmination yesterday. I think it is the third time now, that the Government has to come here to justify about remarks by members of the royal family. I ask myself: how often has this to happen yet?

I feel uneasy about this. Uneasy because I think that the whims of Laurent and the blunders of Prince Philippe do no good to the democratic functioning of this country. I think that Parliament has to fulfil a democratic role: to control the government. I think that the media also have an important democratic role to fulfil. In this light it is unseen and unacceptable that the media, this fourth power, are approached on such manner by the Prince.

I think that we have to take our political responsibility. For me, that political responsibility consists that the debate must start about the role and the functioning of the monarchy. For me this -in essence- means: a ceremonial position for the King.

I have three clear questions for the government:
- Do you, at first, have a ready and clear opinions over the remarks by Prince Philippe, yesterday?
- Secondly, what is the opinion of the government on a ceremonial position for the King in the future?



[…. remarks from the benches….]



Koen T’Sijen (sp.a-Spirit):
I know, I know…. I’m part of the majority, but first and foremost I am a democrat. What happened yesterday, was far over the limit for me. Therefore I want to lay down my questions, right here and now. It is remarkable that the Christian-Democrats have not asked any questions, but maybe they fear for their chances on forming a government by keeping themselves salonfähig, out of this mess.

- Thirdly, Madam the vice-premier, is the government willing that the articles about the role and the position of the King can be included in the revision of the Constitution? I ask you this because, for sure after the general elections on June 10, we must have the chance to discuss the reform of the monarchy into a ceremonial position, in all serenity and in full democracy. To me this is the only way out for this moment.



The vice-premier, minister of Justice (Laurette Onkelinx):
Mr. Chairman, the Prince has no specific statute. In spite of this, the government found the attitude of the Prince improper. In name of the government, the premier minister has passed the grievances of the concerned at the Palace and communicated this concern about the contacts of the Prince with the press. The prince should be more reticent.



Gerolf Annemans (Vlaams Belang):
Madam the minister, I thank you for the answer. For me it was clear except for one point. What should happen now? We have now, not for the fourth time but for the seventh or eighth time during the Cabinets Verhofstadt, experienced that everybody is determined that something must happen. This man simply can not. If we wish a long life to the present King, I in fact say with that: the affair really has become urgent.

I suggest that the government should start with a reflection about the revision of the Constitution. But you have refused to say anything about this. The government should reflect about this: we have a few weeks to go to solve this for once and for all. This man can no longer. This man does not learn. This man will never learn. This man can’t. We must reduce the royal function into something adaptable for the present Heir.



Koen T’Sijen (sp.a-Spirit):
Madam the minister, firstly, this afternoon I came not to here to hear an answer that I already could read in all newspapers. I have been disillusioned thus. I warn you that if we do not take up our political responsibility for the monarchy, there will be a democratic deficit after Albert II. Everyone is aware of that. Everybody with a common sense realizes that.

Secondly, I heard nothing about a revision of the Constitution. If the articles around the role and the position of the King will be declared non-negotiable by the government for the revision of the Constitution, my party will not hesitate to take the initiative and make a proposal for declaring these articles negotiable. I hope to count on enough support in this Parliament to make this discussion possible after June 10.



The Chairman (mr. Herman de Croo):
The debate is closed.

flcty 01-27-2007 05:31 PM

Thanks Henri M :flowers: . It sounds like the parties in Belgium have wasted no time to pounce on Phillipe. Do you think that Albert II will agree and comply to parliament if reforms do go through? Does the debate resume again or was that it concering Phillipe and reforms?
Sorry for the numerous questions :flowers: .

Henri M. 01-27-2007 06:08 PM

Status-quo
 
I think that the monarchy in Belgium will remain in the present status-quo, for the simple reason that the Wallonians (= the French-speaking part of Belgium) will do everything to prevent a collapse of the monarchy.

Not because the love for the monarchy is that deep: most likely they are as indifferent to it as their Flemish colleagues in Parliament. But it is in the best interest of Wallonia that Belgium remains together and that rich and booming Flanders is not walking away into independence, taking Brussels (the capital, which is an enclave in Flanders territory). Wallonia is really depending on economic transfers from Flanders to finance their social security, health care, education, etc.

The Wallonians have the idea that the monarchy is one of the elements which keep Belgium together. They see the King as a guarantee against a split-up of the country.

This is in fact a strange development: back then in the 1950's it were the people of Flanders whom voted for the return of King Leopold III, while the Wallonians were against.

Flanders (the Dutch speaking part of Belgium):
72% in favour of a return of the King
28% against a return of the King

Wallonia (the French speaking part of Belgium):
48% in favour of a return of the King
52% against a return of the King

Brussels (the capital and surrounding region)
52% in favour of a return of the King
48% against a return of the King

Despite the disappointing results in Wallonia and Brussels, King Leopold III felt strenghtened by the result in Fanders and hoped to win back the hearts of his French-speaking subjects. He returned in 1950. But unrest, serious riots (with deaths) and major nationwide strikes broke out in the country and finally King Leopold was forced to abdicate in favour of his son Prince Baudouin, the Duke of Brabant, to save the position of the monarchy.

It is strange to see that the once so supporting Flanders have now switches roles with the once so anti-monarchy Wallonians.....

Katrianna 01-28-2007 06:16 PM

Thank you to all for the most interesting information. It seems that now the media is having a field day with both Laurent and Phillipe. I find it childish that the one news editor went whining and complaining to the Prime Minister over the situation and had the PM join the fray.
Question: Why has Prince Phillipe been so unpopular with the public and press for so long? I'm sorry if I seem ignorant, but I don't read much about the situation in Belgium where I live. Thank you in advance.

TLLK 01-28-2007 06:51 PM

I agree. I did know that the Flemish part of Belgium was more prosperous than the French section, however I didn't know about their desire to leave. Thank you for the information.

Aurora810 01-28-2007 11:39 PM

Thanks to all that have posted such great info to learn about. I really love reading and most importantly learning all about this. I have the same question as Katrianna...Why is Prince Philippe so unpopular and how about the rest of the family's popularity?

Regina 01-29-2007 03:25 AM

Thank you Henri M. for share with us that information. I think we all learn with this and that's good to help us make a better "judgement".

Aurora810, I am not from Belgium so I can't tell much about Philipe unpopularity. Here in the Forum he is quite popular (I like his work a lot!). About his sibling's popularity, I think Princess Mathilde is very, very popular in Belgium and Princess Astrid too.

martha-louise 01-29-2007 06:02 AM

It's very interessting to note that Philippe is liked on the Forum. Indeed he does alot of good things. On the items he does, there is not so much critisicm. It more in the way he does it. My opinion:
Lets take a look: what makes royalty popular?
good looks,
somethimes pass the protocol
human things like love affairs
humor
and one can think of more things

When Philippe was young, he was sportive, good looking, he is a parachutist, flies F16, made trips around the world, he was in that time just as cool as prince William of UK.... But nobody paid attention, he was unknown by the public

And when the public came to know him, he was about 30 and very shy and with lack of selfconfidence. We only saw him on boring official occasion, being very serious and stiff.

At that time we came to know king Albert, who has a totaly other style. his humor and non-stiff behaviour stole the hearts of the people. The perception of him is like a cool king, who drives a motorbike, like the women and parties.

In people's perception Philippe is the whole contrary. And through the years, it has become rather cool to criticise him instead of honour him... And press has a great deal in creating that boring stiff image...you understand the frustration

Aurora810 01-30-2007 09:13 PM

Thanks so much Martha Louise for sharing. I know him and the royal family seem very popular on the forums here. I didn't really know any of that background info about him so thanks for informing me. It sounds as though Philippe just lacks the charisma that his father was blessed with. It also sounds like the media has maybe made a sport out of making fun of him. Here in America we certainly have plenty of shows that make it their purpose to make fun of celebs and politicians. Too bad he doesn't receive more respect.:sad:

alexandresylvie 02-15-2007 08:15 AM

Mass celebrated in the church Our Lady to Laeken, to the memory of the dead Members of the Royal Family : link (Source Belga) : BelgaPicture

mathilde16 02-15-2007 09:09 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by alexandresylvie
Mass celebrated in the church Our Lady to Laeken, to the memory of the dead Members of the Royal Family : link (Source Belga) : BelgaPicture

thanks alexandreslylvie!
but i don't like mathilde's outfit... is so :eek:

rominet09 02-15-2007 09:43 AM

I have shaken hands with Philippe and talked a little bit with him, he is an hundred times more likeable and handsome "in the flesh" than on pix and videos

chamenkoa1 02-15-2007 01:14 PM

where is Queen Paola??

Avalon 02-15-2007 01:55 PM

Nice to see the family. :flowers:

Pictures:
Prince Philippe and Princess Mathilde
Prince Lorentz, Princess Astrid, Queen Fabiola, King Albert, Prince Philippe and Princess Mathilde

Gallery of pictures from Getty.

monica 02-15-2007 03:31 PM

Thank to all for the most interesting information !!!!!!

paola 02-15-2007 03:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by chamenkoa1
where is Queen Paola??


Yes. where is Queen Paola, that was my thougt too when I saw todays pictures. And I also noticed that te visit to the Federal Crime Computer Unit of the Federal Police in Brussels [13-2-2007] is disapeared of her agenda of the webside of the Belgium Monarchie. [I have not seen any sign of that visit in the Belgium press too]. I hope that she is not become a victim of the epidemic flu that seems to prevail [according to the webside of the vrt f.i.] and that Queen Paola appears in pubic again soon and that we can see some nice pictures of my favourite [non reigning] Queen again.

Henri M. 02-15-2007 04:29 PM

I have the idea Queen Paola never really recovered from her nasty fall, last year in Italy.

For some reasons she looks depressed. The Belgian royal family is in difficult circumstances and the Queen looks 'down' about it. Like she has capitulated for the negative sentiments and the 'Coburg-bashing'.

I don't know. What is your impression on Queen Paola the latest months?

detta 02-15-2007 04:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mathilde16
thanks alexandreslylvie!
but i don't like mathilde's outfit... is so :eek:

Horrible outfit, especially the hat :ermm:

Aurora810 02-15-2007 05:43 PM

Nice to see so many members at once. I agree with others, Mathilde's outfit was not the best. And Philippe really didn't look that great either. I mean his clothes were fine but his coloring or something didn't look so great.

Emily 02-15-2007 06:15 PM

Queen Paola is still recovering from the influenza she had over the weekend.

paola 02-15-2007 07:46 PM

Quote:

Henri M.:I have the idea Queen Paola never really recovered from her nasty fall, last year in Italy.

For some reasons she looks depressed. The Belgian royal family is in difficult circumstances and the Queen looks 'down' about it. Like she has capitulated for the negative sentiments and the 'Coburg-bashing'.
I don't know. What is your impression on Queen Paola the latest months?

My impression is that the accident en the injury that got with it has made a big inpact on Queen Paola and that recovering from it is more difficult and takes more time than she thougt or hoped. But as far as you can determine from pictures it is going better on and on. At the last visit of Queen Paola and King Albert to Fleurus she seemed rather fine to me.Yes perhaps she is not recovering so fast, I wish for Queen Paola that that is not so. Yes you can see that she is an older woman, so what, we can't be young forever. Nature is well towards her in my opinion. I think that she is used to and hardened the whole show about the complications around Phillip an Laurent. She achives her things in the background.[Unfortunately for me with few pictures] I don't think she has capitulate for the problems, she needs her time to recover fully.
But all of this stay just guessing, time wil tell maybe. It just gives me a reason [as if a need thathttp://www.theroyalforums.com/ugala/...cons/icon7.gif]to go to the book shop tomorrow to get some belgian papers. If they give a reason for the absence of Queen Paola, I will tell you, otherwise was it nice guessing in English for once. I hope you can make some sense out of it.

paola 02-15-2007 08:00 PM

Aha
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Emily
Queen Paola is still recovering from the influenza she had over the weekend.

Posting my reply I discover that the answer of the absence of Queen Paola is already given. So my guess was right. Well, thank you fo the answer Emely. And I wish Queen Paola will soon be well again.

:smile: But I am still going to the bookshop tomorrow!! :smile:

martha-louise 02-16-2007 09:10 AM

Laurent and Claire are also abscent...

I think the king looks very 'classy' with his (new?) vest!

And about Mathilde, it's wintertime, brown is the color, it's not always easy to wear new creations. But spring is coming, and so will the colors, with the dashing skirts and blouses, a bit patience :)

irishchic5 02-16-2007 09:54 AM

Poor Prince Philippe looks like he's suffering from the flu too. His color is ashen and look at those circles under his eyes!

dazzling 02-18-2007 03:04 PM

a mass in memory of the deceased members of the Royal family, Thursday 15 February 2007, in Laken, near Brussels - pictures

Aurora810 03-07-2007 12:19 PM

I know that there are so many issues going on in recent months with the RF and some scandals being reported. Adding to the scandal is another issue in Mathilde's family that was reported today over in Philippe and Mathilde's current events thread.

Anyways, it just seems to me that the RF should be out more doing royal things. Just being a little more visible seems like it would help. We haven't seen many members of the RF since Feb. 15. We did however, see Mathilde and Philippe recently in Norway and then Mathilde made a visit to an organization last week. However, it just seems as a whole the RF is really not doing anything to help improve public opinion about them. I could certainly be wrong and maybe it's one of those situations where they prefer to let things die down some before appearing too much. I don't know but it just seems a little weird to me.

Henri M. 03-07-2007 01:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Aurora810
We did however, see Mathilde and Philippe recently in Norway and then Mathilde made a visit to an organization last week.

The birthday of King Harald barely made any press oustide Norway because it is as it is: a birthday party. No more, no less.

The royals can not easily step up the number of occasions on short term because every engagement needs preparation on beforehand, not only for the royals themselves but also for the 'receiving' end.

And... an overkill of royal visits devalues the worth of it. A royal visit should remain an extraordinary honour.

martha-louise 03-07-2007 05:28 PM

I share your opinion Aurora810. The Royal Family has a big job to do in public relations. And what do we see? Just nothing.
Wel lets hope is part of a bigger plan... But I'm afraid the Belgian RF isn't the Britain RF. I'm still under impression as I see what they did. Divorce, adultery, bringing in the 'rotweiler' Camilla, wrong statement from the prince; much more than the Belgian RF has to cary, but what did they do? They asked help. And what do we see today? Everything is sound and safe...
But in Belgium, nothing happens...

Aurora810 03-07-2007 05:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Henri M.
The royals can not easily step up the number of occasions on short term because every engagement needs preparation on beforehand, not only for the royals themselves but also for the 'receiving' end.

And... an overkill of royal visits devalues the worth of it. A royal visit should remain an extraordinary honour.


I'm assuming that you are speaking of official royal visits to another country and I wasn't really speaking about that. I was thinking more about smaller things they could do that they aren't doing. It just seems that there is so much scandal and chaos that isn't just going away. I understand they can't just upon short notice go on a state visit somewhere and that would look silly and insincere anyways. But it just seems that there are ways to do some damage control and yet there is no damage control taking place, possibly they thought or hoped it would simply go away however, I don't see that happening currently. But what do I know I'm just a silly American sitting in front of a computer thousands of miles from Belgium. :rofl:

Henri M. 03-07-2007 07:00 PM

The monarchy becoming irrelevant
 
Well, the 'damage' is the dirty laundry hanged out of the window in the family d'Udekem d'Acoz, and not in the Belgian royal family itself. But its 'fall out' is there: instead of serenity, there is now fuss about the future Queen's family. But there is no real scandal in the sense of Mathilde doing something wrong.

The other fuss is the clash between the Flemish and Wallonian branches of the Belgian Red Cross and the accused lack of management by its president, Princess Astrid. But that also is no real scandal in the sense of Astrid doing something wrong.

All this is just little fuss. The major problem of the Belgian monarchy is the growing gap between Flanders and Wallonia and the growing irrelevance of 'Belgium' and its institutions for the rapidly growing and more power gaining regions. Flanders is almost autonomous on many topics and has nothing, really nothing, to do with the King.

The removal of the King's portrait form two Flemish city-halls had as official reason: the municipalities do no longer ressort under 'Belgium' but under the regional government of Flanders. The King plays no role whatsoever in this process. So what is the King doing there, in a Flemish city hall? That was the thought behind the removal of these portraits.

The speed of disintegration since 1980 is really astonishing. In 1980 Belgium was one strong central state à la France. The process of federalization sounded like a good idea, but it has become a nightmare, an unstoppable machinery which threathens to 'eat' Belgium. If 'Belgium' becomes irrelevant, then its monarchy becomes irrelevant too. That is obvious.

Aurora810 03-08-2007 05:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Henri M.
.The speed of disintegration since 1980 is really astonishing. In 1980 Belgium was one strong central state à la France. The process of federalization sounded like a good idea, but it has become a nightmare, an unstoppable machinery which threathens to 'eat' Belgium. If 'Belgium' becomes irrelevant, then its monarchy becomes irrelevant too. That is obvious.


Pardon my ignorance Henri. But I'm curious...In America I always hear Belgium being referred to as the "capital of Europe" b/c of the European Union and Nato both being based in Brussels. So I'm just wondering if any of that holds any significance as far as the country possibly splitting or whatever might happen with the country?

martha-louise 03-09-2007 09:40 AM

Belgium is a wealthy and healthy state and Brussels is indeed the heart of Europe. If Flemish people and Walloon people don't start a fight, I don't think there is any problem for the EU to stay in Brussels. Also, Brussels has his own statute, so IF Belgium splits, Brussels can stay the heart of Europe.

But I have to put stress on one thing. Henri M. is seeing Apocalypse Now in Belgium. But I don't share that opinion. In Belgium people don't really care about royalty, we are very sensible, people don't seem to care much about what separatistic politicians talk about. The separation of the country is a political statement, not a grassroot-one (although not yet). People vote Vlaams Belang for their racist talk, and if Flemish independence could help with that, so why not.
Of course we mustn't be blind for separatism, but I should still call it marginal.
After the fake-news on rtbf, Flemish people could stand up and say, yes we want independence. But how did they react? By saying: how stupid of the walloons to believe that. All the parties (exept VB and N-VA) made their opinion clear that they don't want to separate the state.
And I think there is more needed to tear a country apart. There are no militias here, no revolutionairy bastions, no bombings like ETA, ...
I'm not certain about the future for the royal house, but for the future of Belgium I dare to believe we will reach the 200years.

martha-louise 03-09-2007 09:51 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Henri M.
The speed of disintegration since 1980 is really astonishing. In 1980 Belgium was one strong central state à la France. The process of federalization sounded like a good idea, but it has become a nightmare, an unstoppable machinery which threathens to 'eat' Belgium. If 'Belgium' becomes irrelevant, then its monarchy becomes irrelevant too. That is obvious.

It's true that a lot happened since the federalisation. But think about the problems of those days, was there another solution than the federalisation of the state? Maybe if the country didn't split in regions, the problems would have come only bigger and also the result. I think a bigger crisis has been prevented, although it can be seen as a stay of execution, which I believe is not.
Minister Leterme is talking about regionalisation in a postive way, (of course discusable) Flanders need more authorities, to secure the future of Belgium. That is because on federal stage they can't come to an agreement.

Marengo 03-09-2007 10:16 AM

Dear members,

the discussion about the future of the Belgian monarchy (and related to that: the future of Belgium as one state) has been the topic in many current events threads. In the mean time the discussion that results from that usually has little to do with the current events of the Belgian royals. Hence the moderators have decided in their endless wisdom, to create a new thread where the people can discuss this topic.

Please take the discussion to this new thread: Future of the Belgian Monarchy. Future posts and reponses to the above remarks in this thread will be deleted by the moderators.

Thank you

flcty 03-09-2007 04:37 PM

Good old daddy, Albert, comes to the rescue for baby boy, Laurent, with tax-payer's money.
Civil List pays for Laurent's extras
Mon 05/03/07 - 185,000 euros from King Albert's Civil List will be donated to the Belgian Defence Ministry. The decision comes after the Navy fraud trial in Hasselt (Limburg province). The King's Civil List includes the (taxpayers') money which is put at the king's disposal by the authorities.
Three high-ranking Belgian military officers were found guilty of forgery in February, as they used public money to enrich themselves...
...Prince Laurent had his home in Tervuren renovated with money obtained by fraudulent means, but denied he knew where the money came from during the trial Nick Van Haver, a spokesman for the Defence Ministry, told VRT radio that the 185,000 euros "will be used to carry out renovation works in the homes of military staff who had an accident at work."
Mr Van Haver went on to say that the donation is no confession of guilt by King Albert or his son Prince Laurent. He added that the sum of 185,000 euros is equivalent to the extras Laurent had received.
During his Christmas speech last year, King Albert had announced that "nobody is above the law," referring to the Navy fraud case.
"It seems just to me that everyone who drew a profit from the fraud, should pay the money back once the fraud has been proved," King Albert II of the Belgians added.
The bit missing can be found here...
flandersnews.be - Civil List pays for Laurent's extras

stephanievl 03-25-2007 05:25 AM

The royal family was present at a concert at Heysel stadium for a celebration of the 50th anniversary of the Treaty of Rome on March 24 , 2007 in Brussels, Belgium.

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martha-louise 04-06-2007 05:51 AM

(Translated with an internet program)

Portraits of BRF will be sold by auction

Twenty thousand personal photographs of the Belgian royal family and objects belonging to at other members of the European Gotha, become on 4 May by the Paris auction house Drouot sold by auction. That announced the known auction hall Thursday in Brussels.
A series of 3,500 personal photographs of the human of king Leopold III (1901-1983) that by himself. They become between 400 and 600 Euros per album esteemed. On other photographs, that between 1912 and 1931 by the gouvernante of the princess Marie-José, daughter of king Alberts I (1875-1934 collected became),, there are to see intimate moments of the Belgian royal family, with name during the First world War.
These sell of historical souvenirs offers moreover letters of the hand of the Belgian rulers. Also are there draw lots devoted to the royal and imperial houses of France, among many a portrait of Napoléon I in the fight by Arcole that between 10,000 and 15,000 Euros becomes geschat, and at the dynasties of Savoie, Hohenzollern and other Habsburgers. The lots become of 27 until 29 April and on 3 May exhibited in Paris. (belga/dm)


Source: 'De Morgen'

Aurora810 04-06-2007 01:06 PM

Is there any special mass or something that the royal family attends for Easter? Similar to what the Spanish royals do for Easter Sunday.

Henri M. 04-06-2007 04:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Aurora810
Is there any special mass or something that the royal family attends for Easter? Similar to what the Spanish royals do for Easter Sunday.

No, there are only two public services the royal family attends.

On July 21st, the National Day, there is a Te Deum (a praise) and the same happens on 15 November, King's Day. The Te Deum is hymn of praise, it is no Mass.

These are the only regular public religious outings of the Belgian royal family. Like in other countries, the religiosity of the head of state is a strictly private matter.

Aurora810 04-06-2007 06:33 PM

Thanks Henri! So it looks like Spain is the only country that does something public for Easter.

BTW maybe this is dumb question but Norway and Britain's RF's would not have religion as a strictly private matter would they?

royaltylover 04-06-2007 06:39 PM

I love the Belgian Royal Family. What them also says concerning our Royal House.

detta 04-07-2007 06:26 AM

http://cache.gettyimages.com/xc/7369...80557452FB802C

What a funny picture :rofl:!

magnik 04-07-2007 08:20 AM

Sometimes when I watch photos of all three Dss, Adss and Pss I have strange impression that they looks more like Queen Paola - I mean their hair...

martha-louise 04-19-2007 06:29 AM

Good news! Although in my opinion. Pol Vandendriessche, the editor-in-chief of the Flemish program Royalty is leaving. He had contacts with the CD&V party and in doing so he made an end to his journalistic neutrality. Therefore he can't stay editor-in-chief of a royaltyprogram.
I wasn't a fan of him from the beginning. I think his analyses are to simplistic. He always had a lot of critic, wich I don't agree with. So I'm very happy he's leaving. (And I think Prince Philippe is happy too) From septembre on we can expect a new editor-in-chief, wait and see...

Emily 04-20-2007 10:54 PM

Is he one of the two men Philippe "crossed swords" with at the Palace reception earlier this year?

martha-louise 04-23-2007 06:36 AM

Yes it is.

alexandresylvie 04-24-2007 03:26 PM

Belgium will be represented to to you to her(it) in mister Boris Eltsine's burial

Henri M. 04-25-2007 08:21 AM

Another municpiality has removed portraits of the King and Queen
 
Again another municipality, this time Lennik (a Flemish municipality 15 km west of Brussels) has decided to remove the state portraits of King Albert II and Queen Paola.

This happened on proposal of the separatistic and anti-monarchistic party Vlaams Belang (Flemish Interest). The proposal was consented by the municipal council with 9 to the yes, 3 to the no and 6 councillors have voted blanco.

Formal reason: no longer the national government but the Flemish government is authorized for the municipalities. Since a few years members of municipal councils also no longer swear loyalty to the King. And also the mayors are no longer appointed by the King but by the Flemish government.

Source: http://www.hbvl.be/nieuws/Binnenland/default.asp?art={AD0A0B81-C12D-4878-834A-770327603CAF}

flcty 04-26-2007 02:30 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Henri M.
Again another municipality, this time Lennik (a Flemish municipality 15 km west of Brussels) has decided to remove the state portraits of King Albert II and Queen Paola.

This happened on proposal of the separatistic and anti-monarchistic party Vlaams Belang (Flemish Interest). The proposal was consented by the municipal council with 9 to the yes, 3 to the no and 6 councillors have voted blanco.

Formal reason: no longer the national government but the Flemish government is authorized for the municipalities. Since a few years members of municipal councils also no longer swear loyalty to the King. And also the mayors are no longer appointed by the King but by the Flemish government.

Source: http://www.hbvl.be/nieuws/Binnenland/default.asp?art={AD0A0B81-C12D-4878-834A-770327603CAF}

It looks like a pattern is forming...the whole removing potraits of King Albert and Queen Poala, is it an omen of a bleak future ahead [sorry to sound pessimistic :rolleyes: ] or are these just random, once a blue moon events.

Marengo 04-26-2007 03:01 AM

Well, the pattern can be broken if the Flemish Interest party will lose in the next elections. They peaked during the last ones, but the first cracks seemed to start forming to (in Antwerp they lost for the first time since they were founded).

I find the present attitude in the flemish media towards the monarchy extremely pessimistic. Some of it makes it to the Dutch press to, which reports it in a more dry tone though. Yesterday the book of Mario Danneels was discussed in 'De Telegraaf'. Apparently he uses strong terms, calling Fabiola ' the Spanish witch', among other things. I realy wonder if anybody is standing up to defend their royals in the press. I think it is quite undecent to let the discussion slip down in -what seems to be- name calling.

Gazet van Antwerpen (link provided by Marianne on the Benelux Royals MB).

flcty 04-26-2007 05:01 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Marengo
I find the present attitude in the flemish media towards the monarchy extremely pessimistic. Some of it makes it to the Dutch press to, which reports it in a more dry tone though. Yesterday the book of Mario Danneels was discussed in 'De Telegraaf'. Apparently he uses strong terms, calling Fabiola ' the Spanish witch', among other things. I realy wonder if anybody is standing up to defend their royals in the press. I think it is quite undecent to let the discussion slip down in -what seems to be- name calling.

Gazet van Antwerpen (link provided by Marianne on the Benelux Royals MB).

Right know it looks like no one is supporting them, geez, "the Spanish witch"? I thought she was one of the most highly regarded memebrs of the BRF, was she really hostile towards her half-sister in laws [hated the idea of a King, esp. a Belgian one marrying a commoner]. Is this the same guy that wrote that book on Queen Poala and exposed King Albert's [infidelity/illegitamite child] big secret? Thanks for the link by the way Marengo [just been very busy with school work :rolleyes: ].

Marengo 04-26-2007 05:13 AM

I read the article now and apparently Danneels was quoting Prince Laurent with that remark. According to Danneels sources Fabiola got rid of Prince Karel (uncle of Boudouin), Pincess Lilian and Laurent (D. uses the phrase: she worked them out of the palace. The style of hs book is rather tabloid like and never naming sources.
Whether Fabiola was hostile or not, I don't know, but she seems to have a totally different personality from the flamboyant Laurent or fom the even more flamboyant Marie-Christine, so she probably never was to close to them either. The bad relations between Laurent and Fabiola/Baudouin are common knowledge though. Considering what came out recently about the bahavior of the prince that is hadly surprising.

You are right, it is indeed the same guy who wrote a book abut Paola when he was 18. In that book he was still mild. Also interesting: he claims that Albert hired an exorsist for Laurent.

martha-louise 04-26-2007 01:26 PM

Well Mario Danneels hadn't to do much research to find out that Laurent en Marie-Christine are the total opposite of Fabiola, everyone can see that. He just made a 'nice' story of it.

Those statements Danneels is refering to, how could he know? I think the royal family has very loyal servants, who don't sell their stories to the press. I can't imagine how he could report family-affairs correct. If it isn't written down, what is most the case. Then it's someone who heard something from someone else who says he is near to the Royal Family. One word for it: gossip. And there will be a sens of truth in it, but who knows what part...

Marengo 04-27-2007 10:04 AM

I wonder about that to! I have heard the ' spanish witch' comment several times now, but it seems that one started it and now other just repeat that comment, without checking where it actually came from.

Indeed the book seems verymuch based on gossip. He claims that he got the idea when he read a book about the British royals. I wouldn' t be surprised if that would be Kitty Kelley's book, which also is rather ill-spirited and doesn't value the truth and facts that much.

selminha 05-08-2007 12:44 PM

Aren't there any pictures yet?

alexandresylvie 05-08-2007 12:46 PM

Today: solemn Discount(Delivery) of the International Price(Prize) King Baudouin for the Development, to the Palace of Brussels. Still no photos?????

stephanievl 05-08-2007 01:19 PM

First pictures,
PPE Agency
BelgaPicture
http://www.isopix.be/isopix.aspx

troonopvolgers 05-08-2007 03:21 PM

Brussel King Albert, Queen Paola, Queen Fabiola, prince Filip, princess Mathilde, princess Astrid and prince Lorenz attended the ceremony of the International Boudewijnaward for development projects at the palace in Brussel
[DNF] Fotoarchief Denieuwsfoto Brussel

More photos? PPE Agency

alexandresylvie 05-29-2007 01:07 PM

Lunch offered to the members of the jury of the International Musical Competition Queen Elisabeth of Belgium - Piano 2007, to the Palace of Brussels. Link (Belga.be) BelgaPicture
(Isopix.be) http://www.isopix.be/isopix.aspx

stephanievl 05-29-2007 01:55 PM

One more picture of today:

ANP Beeldbank
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alexandresylvie 05-30-2007 06:19 AM

29/05/2007 : Prince Philippe, Princess Mathilde and Queen Fabiola : Session of finale of the International Musical Competition Queen Elisabeth of Belgium - Piano 2007 to the Palace of the Fine art of Brussels link (Source.be) BelgaPicture

fanletizia 05-30-2007 09:53 AM

Gallery

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selminha 05-30-2007 01:31 PM

The pictures are so beautiful.
Mathilde seems very elegant!!!

royaltylover 05-30-2007 07:25 PM

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Good news! Although in my opinion. Good news! Although in my opinion. Pol Vandendriessche, the editor-in-chief of the Flemish program Royalty is leaving. He had contacts with the CD&V party and in doing so he made an end to his journalistic neutrality. Therefore he can't stay editor-in-chief of a royaltyprogram.
I wasn't a fan of him from the beginning. I think his analyses are to simplistic. He always had a lot of critic, wich I don't agree with. So I'm very happy he's leaving. (And I think Prince Philippe is happy too) From septembre on we can expect a new editor-in-chief, wait and see...
, the editor-in-chief of the Flemish program Royalty is leaving. He had contacts with the CD&V party and in doing so he made an end to his journalistic neutrality. Therefore he can't stay editor-in-chief of a royaltyprogram.
I wasn't a fan of him from the beginning. I think his analyses are to simplistic. He always had a lot of critic, wich I don't agree with. So I'm very happy he's leaving. (And I think Prince Philippe is happy too) From septembre on we can expect a new editor-in-chief, wait and see...
I'am happy to that he is leaving I'am also not a fan of him. When he was on television I thought Ono he go the royal family making bad. I hope that you understand me.

Jose 05-31-2007 01:08 PM

It is elegant dress on Princess Mathilde. Queen Fabiola see out now older lady of royal family. She is much elegant dress and beautiful hair!


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