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Tinika 10-27-2006 12:47 PM

How likely is a royal divorce?
 
I know Charles and Diana divorced, but that was such a scandalous event. I wonder how possible it is that another crown princely couple would divorce. Not to speculate on the happiness of any of the royal couples, because with the proliferation of pregnancies it's obvious that they're all just fine. But if, let's say, Frederik and Mary were to have so many problems that they just couldn't live together anymore. What would happen? Would they really divorce? Where would Mary go? And what if Frederik remarried? That's something really unprecedented, since Diana was already deceased when Charles remarried, and the same was true of Belgium's Queen Astrid and King Leopold.

MargreteI 10-27-2006 01:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Tinika
I know Charles and Diana divorced, but that was such a scandalous event. I wonder how possible it is that another crown princely couple would divorce. Not to speculate on the happiness of any of the royal couples, because with the proliferation of pregnancies it's obvious that they're all just fine. But if, let's say, Frederik and Mary were to have so many problems that they just couldn't live together anymore. What would happen? Would they really divorce? Where would Mary go? And what if Frederik remarried? That's something really unprecedented, since Diana was already deceased when Charles remarried, and the same was true of Belgium's Queen Astrid and King Leopold.

If Mary decided to divorce, Frederik have to pay for suitable accomodation for her. Also she is most likely to stay in Denmark since she can not bring the children with her out of the country.

Hope it never happens.

Stefanie 10-27-2006 01:34 PM

Possible divorces
 
The (in moy opinion) likely:
1. Frederik and Mary (interesting that you mentioned them of all people)
2. Felipe and Letizia

Because: Frederik had (like Joachim) a very hard childhood and is in my opinion a complicated personality. Mary in my opinion will find that out little by little. His tears during the wedding mass i.m.o. were not shed because of being moved but of knowing that his easy life is over now and he has to bear responsibility now a.s.o.
With Leti and Felipe: They both have to show that the marriage works specially Felipe who confronted is parents with this fait accompli. He i.m.o. isnīt mature enough (and his sign of the zodiac is aquarius, and an aquarius needs his freedom...) although heīs in his late 30ies to keep a marriage work. Leti wears in my opinion the trousers in this marriage. But I knew this from all the beginning that heīll never be succesfull finding a proper wife. He always had this tendency to women who simply donīt fit....
Well, in Denmark it depends on how long the marriage lasts, if not too long Mary might go back to Australia. And Leti, no problem living her own life again somewhere in Spain, having the children around in her own villa.

Empress 10-27-2006 01:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Stefanie
The (in moy opinion) likely:
1. Frederik and Mary (interesting that you mentioned them of all people)
2. Felipe and Letizia

Because: Frederik had (like Joachim) a very hard childhood and is in my opinion a complicated personality. Mary in my opinion will find that out little by little. His tears during the wedding mass i.m.o. were not shed because of being moved but of knowing that his easy life is over now and he has to bear responsibility now a.s.o.
With Leti and Felipe: They both have to show that the marriage works specially Felipe who confronted is parents with this fait accompli. He i.m.o. isnīt mature enough (and his sign of the zodiac is aquarius, and an aquarius needs his freedom...) although heīs in his late 30ies to keep a marriage work. Leti wears in my opinion the trousers in this marriage. But I knew this from all the beginning that heīll never be succesfull finding a proper wife. He always had this tendency to women who simply donīt fit....
Well, in Denmark it depends on how long the marriage lasts, if not too long Mary might go back to Australia. And Leti, no problem living her own life again somewhere in Spain, having the children around in her own villa.

Well, I do not see either of these couples divorcing, and while you are certainly entitled to your opinion, I do not think anyone can or should make assumptions or predictions about people that they have most likely never met.

Furthermore, there is no reason to believe that these couples are having any problems at all, certainly not with their impending second children. I have seen no evidence at all that these two couples are anything more than happily in love, and I think that we should let them be.

Above and beyond all that, speculation of this sort is not at all productive or pleasant conversation material.

I would rather see conversations about their happiness than about unfounded accusations of their personalities that can not be substantiated.

Saturn 10-27-2006 02:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Stefanie
The (in moy opinion) likely:
1. Frederik and Mary (interesting that you mentioned them of all people)
2. Felipe and Letizia

Because: Frederik had (like Joachim) a very hard childhood and is in my opinion a complicated personality. Mary in my opinion will find that out little by little. His tears during the wedding mass i.m.o. were not shed because of being moved but of knowing that his easy life is over now and he has to bear responsibility now a.s.o.
With Leti and Felipe: They both have to show that the marriage works specially Felipe who confronted is parents with this fait accompli. He i.m.o. isnīt mature enough (and his sign of the zodiac is aquarius, and an aquarius needs his freedom...) although heīs in his late 30ies to keep a marriage work. Leti wears in my opinion the trousers in this marriage. But I knew this from all the beginning that heīll never be succesfull finding a proper wife. He always had this tendency to women who simply donīt fit....
Well, in Denmark it depends on how long the marriage lasts, if not too long Mary might go back to Australia. And Leti, no problem living her own life again somewhere in Spain, having the children around in her own villa.

I agree with you. Royal beings are exposed to the public and everybody who follows them can perceive what you have stated.
On the other hand, I think if Fred & Mary divorced it would be an upheaval but Danes would accept them.
If Felipe & Leti divorced, it would be a big problem because Spain is a catholic country and there are lots of people who wouldn't accept that, the fact that Leti was divorced is still an issue for many people.

Henri M. 10-27-2006 03:02 PM

The Crown Prince and -Princess of Denmark are in my head as the most likely divorce.
The Duke and Duchess of Brabant seems the most unlikely divorce.

But of course I hope all couples will be happy together.

Salomé 10-27-2006 03:41 PM

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Originally Posted by MargreteI
If Mary decided to divorce, Frederik have to pay for suitable accomodation for her. Also she is most likely to stay in Denmark since she can not bring the children with her out of the country.

Hope it never happens.

If a divorce happens,although I don't think so,(they look so happy together as they found each other,inlike Charles' and Diana's marriage which was an arranged one),Mary will do as Alexandra,she will stay in Denmark,and will keep children,and she still will have duties to perform.

Henri M. 10-27-2006 03:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Salomé
If a divorce happens,although I don't think so,(they look so happy together as they found each other

Maybe you forgot that first we saw a fairytale photosession of Prince Joachim and Princess Alexandra amidst flowers, in a gentle autumn sun, in a loving face-a-face position, etc.

A few weeks later the palace announced their divorce.

So pictures says nothing. Nothing.

:flowers:

magnik 10-27-2006 03:50 PM

Not exactly. Remeber Diana and Charles - photos tell everything!

But you must be a good actor to dosn't show what really happen in your life. (Alexandra&Joachim)

ldt20 10-27-2006 04:20 PM

I think that Prince Felipe and Princess Letizia are now very happy but even if in the future they were not, I do not think they would ever get divorced.

It just seems like it is something that is not done in the Spanish Royal Family, no matter how hard you have it.

It is a fact that King Juan Carlos cheated on Queen Sofia of different times but together they've stayed. To me it always looks like they have a cordial relationship but not a love one.

It's been mentioned in Spanish circles that Infanta Elena and her husband, Jaime de Marichalar have had rough periods in their marriage as well.

The Spanish Royal Family is extremely discreet, to the point where IMO they would not get divorced in order to avoid many comments, problems, gossip, etc.

UserDane 10-27-2006 04:35 PM


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Originally Posted by Stefanie
Mary in my opinion will find that out little by little. His tears during the wedding mass i.m.o. were not shed because of being moved but of knowing that his easy life is over now and he has to bear responsibility now a.s.o.

No, he was actually standing there thinking about his great fortune in life, about finally starting his own family, thinking about the ways he would do things differently from what he had been used to.

See, you're not the only one able to spin a tale:lol: None of us know, we just interpret pictures, gestures, etc. differently for a variety of reasons.

I don't see Felipe and Letizia as more likely candidates for a divorce either. As is the case with Frederik, I could imagine that Felipe would be keen to do things differently (from his father for example). Felipe and Letizia seem extremely well matched. If a CPss that seemingly is command of her own life (good in my book) was a sign of trouble to come in the marriage, I see other more likely candidates :rolleyes:



tabbitha 10-27-2006 04:48 PM

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Originally Posted by UserDane


No, he was actually standing there thinking about his great fortune in life, about finally starting his own family, thinking about the ways he would do things differently from what he had been used to.

See, you're not the only one able to spin a tale:lol: None of us know, we just interpret pictures, gestures, etc. differently for a variety of reasons.


I don't see Felipe and Letizia as more likely candidates for a divorce either. As is the case with Frederik, I could imagine that Felipe would be keen to do things differently (from his father for example). Felipe and Letizia seem extremely well matched. If a CPss that seemingly is command of her own life (good in my book) was a sign of trouble to come in the marriage, I see other more likely candidates :rolleyes:




I thought the same thing Userdane about Fred tearing up at his amazement of seeing Mary and hearing that emotional music.It is funny how we interpret things so different.. I like my interpretation better :flowers:
I also wondered how long it would take for someone here to bring Fred and Mary into this thread- not long - almost expected it to happen:rofl: Not this quick though:rolleyes: I wish all the Crown Princes and Princesses a long happy life. Only they know what makes a successful marriage......

carlota 10-27-2006 05:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Stefanie
The (in moy opinion) likely:
1. Frederik and Mary (interesting that you mentioned them of all people)
2. Felipe and Letizia

Because: Frederik had (like Joachim) a very hard childhood and is in my opinion a complicated personality. Mary in my opinion will find that out little by little. His tears during the wedding mass i.m.o. were not shed because of being moved but of knowing that his easy life is over now and he has to bear responsibility now a.s.o.
With Leti and Felipe: They both have to show that the marriage works specially Felipe who confronted is parents with this fait accompli. He i.m.o. isnīt mature enough (and his sign of the zodiac is aquarius, and an aquarius needs his freedom...) although heīs in his late 30ies to keep a marriage work. Leti wears in my opinion the trousers in this marriage. But I knew this from all the beginning that heīll never be succesfull finding a proper wife. He always had this tendency to women who simply donīt fit....
Well, in Denmark it depends on how long the marriage lasts, if not too long Mary might go back to Australia. And Leti, no problem living her own life again somewhere in Spain, having the children around in her own villa.

your points are quite reasonable actually. what you say is really interesting... :smile:

these two couples you mentioned are for me the ones that are most likely to divorce as well. both mary and letizia compared to mathilde, maxima and mette marit, seem quite vulnerable to me and perhaps quite young and not enough mature compared to the rest of the princesses.

i guess mary may stay in the country, to stay with her children, just as alexandra did. i really doubt she will live in australia. same for letizia, although i have the impression she may want to retire to asturias with her family, which is no problem as it's still the kingdom of spain, although not the capital, which may cause problems when it comes to performing royal duties.

in the case of mary, it's quite clear that if the queen approves it, she will receive a title and a new HH status, like alexandra probably. what i don't know is what may happen to letizia, as there were no precedents of royal divorces in the spanish family. moreover, what if frederik and mary divorce when frederik is already king of denmark? that may be a problem and i doubt they would divorce in that situation, but if it happens... perhaps frederik may give mary another title such as 'countess of...'?

magnik 10-27-2006 05:01 PM

We doesn't have/ had many divorces but... About that what Tinika had wrote - scandalous events.

Do you think that if the any royals are divorcing they have a class?

About our present CPcelies and Princelies couples - does anyone have or know smth about their prenuptial agreements?

michelleq 10-27-2006 05:13 PM

To divorce:
Fredrick and Mary (95%)
Felipe and Letizia (75%)

Not to divorce:
Philippe and Mathilde and William Alexander and Maxima. These, two me, are true love matches, and I envy Mathilde and Maxima (in a good way) of their marriages. I would want a marriage like theirs, without the Royal Pomp.

Salomé 10-27-2006 05:20 PM

What do u think about Rania and Abdalah of Jordan?there have been rumors several times.

sara1981 10-27-2006 05:38 PM

mostly King and Queen never got divorces because still in love all the times for long times and raise their children,grandchildren and great-grandchildren.

im sure i knew about Crown Prince and Crown Princess still in love all the times and never got divorces same parents DID!

i knew about Prince Charles and late Diana,Princess of Wales's separation in 1992 and divorces in 1996 but Diana already stripped HRH and its really nasty scandalous in the taboilds in London,England they talking about affair,rotweiller,etc.But HM Queen order Prince Charles and Princess Diana to divorces but Diana hates to divorces!

magnik 10-27-2006 05:42 PM

I hope that none of the Crown Princely couples wouldn't never divorce!

They're married becouse they want it and had done it with the persons which they love and know.

Btw. why you think that Mary&Fred or Letizia&Felipe will maybe get divorce someday?? What if it will be someone else?!

Mari_* 10-27-2006 05:44 PM

Just my opinion but I think it is not nice to speculate about which couple is most likely to divorce.

Her_Majesty 10-27-2006 05:52 PM

Interesting to see that many members seem to think that Mary&Fred and Letizia&Felipe will maybe get divorced one day. :ermm:
I have to say that I don't hope so, because they are very lovely couples..
And i think: A photo says alot, and not like someone said before: nothing (just my opinion).

It just has been discovered that even Harald and Sonja of Norway were about to divorce in the 80s. Well, in fact they didn't think about a divorce (don't know the exact story), but they were living seperated lifes back then. Luckily they found their way back to each other...
So, it shows that the Royal Houses (in this case the NRH) try to prevent a divorce if it is possible in every way.


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