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Laviollette 09-05-2006 07:58 PM

Prince and Princess Akishino have a son: Prince Hisahito
 
It's a boy!
http://uk.news.yahoo.com/05092006/32...birth-boy.html

Zonk 09-05-2006 08:00 PM

Wow..they did it! Got to hand it to the IHA. Well.....I hope he has a healthy and blessed life.

Sister Morphine 09-05-2006 08:01 PM

I'm a little upset that it's a boy. I wanted them to finally change the laws of succession to allow females to inherit.

Also, didn't she have IVF to get pregant this time? They could have manipulated it to insure she gave birth to a boy.....that's wrong, IMO. They should have let nature take its course.

Benjamin 09-05-2006 08:02 PM

How very surprising :rolleyes:. Anywho...

Congratulations to the Prince Akishino and Princess Kiko :smile: (and the IHA, of course)!

Zonk 09-05-2006 08:03 PM

Sister Morphine..I am not sure what you mean. Manipulated in what way? IVF....using advanced technology to make sure it was a boy?

kimebear 09-05-2006 08:07 PM

While not necessarily legal or ethical, it is medically possible to ensure that only male embryos are implanted during IVF. No suprise here. I'm just suprised that they didn't do that with Masako.

Elspeth 09-05-2006 08:08 PM

Pre-implantation genetic diagnosis:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Preimpl...etic_diagnosis

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sex_selection

magnik 09-05-2006 08:08 PM

Good that it was safe dalivery for mother and child. Congrats to parents and IHA:wacko: :biggrin:
They have what they want.
Pitty all CPly family.

Once again - why I'm not surprise?

Sister Morphine 09-05-2006 08:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Zonk1189
Sister Morphine..I am not sure what you mean. Manipulated in what way? IVF....using advanced technology to make sure it was a boy?


What Elspeth and kimebear said is what I was talking about.


I don't feel that it's fair. If they wanted only boys from the start and put so much pressure on these two women to produce males, they should have just done it to begin with. I feel part of CP Masako's problems stemmed from the pressure to produce a male child.

HMQueenElizabethII 09-05-2006 08:11 PM

Congratulations to Prince Akishino and Princess Kiko....Glad that they are having another baby.....
However, it's still sad for the Crown Princely family....Although we all know if Princess Aiko becomes the Empress, alot more of duties will fall on her shoulders, but it is still unfair to treat women like that.....although i'm a boy, but i think in the modern 21st century, it's not great with a patriarchal view exist. Yah, and now the baby is third in line to the throne putting Princess Aiko out of the important royal circles.

Zonk 09-05-2006 08:14 PM

Well..I am going to take a guess and say with the birth of the baby boy..Aiko wont be Empress anytime soon. And most likely, when she marries, like her aunt...she will leave the imperial family.

I do wonder how this will impact Naruhito. I mean obviously, he will still be Emperor...but he so on the outside now...will they ever let the man speak, leave the country?

Princejohnny25 09-05-2006 08:14 PM

Well I was really hoping for a girl but even I new that was false hope. The IHA did it. It scares me that they could actually do it but they did it and now they got a boy.

Elspeth 09-05-2006 08:20 PM

It'll be interesting to see the family dynamics over the next few years. Prince Akishino has allied himself publicly with the Emperor and the IHA and against his brother. Normally you'd expect to see the Crown Prince being the most prominent member of the younger generation, but this Crown Prince may well become little more than a place-holder now. The new prince is likely to inherit much younger than the current one since his father and uncle are already in their 40s; it's probably going to be like the British situation only even more so, because in Britain the heir to the throne is at least the father of the young man who's likely to have a much longer reign. So as the parents of the Great Hope of Japan, the Akishinos may have a much more prominent role than an Emperor's younger son normally would, and the Crown Prince and his family be seen as little more than an irrelevance.

Buggs 09-05-2006 08:20 PM

The only think now is that, free from all stress, Masako gets pregnant!!!!

magnik 09-05-2006 08:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Zonk1189
Well..I am going to take a guess and say with the birth of the baby boy..Aiko wont be Empress anytime soon. And most likely, when she marries, like her aunt...she will leave the imperial family.

I do wonder how this will impact Naruhito. I mean obviously, he will still be Emperor...but he so on the outside now...will they ever let the man speak, leave the country?

Or maybe Aiko will marry some prince in the future...

I think that all this case - impact to Naruhito and to Masako on the day when the pregnancy was announcement. This birth impact to them much more than pregnancy, specialy to Masako. Now probably she think and maybe not only she (IHA) that it would never happen if she would gave a boy, what she should do not some girl. I've hope that this event don't tatally break down Masako.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Buggs
The only think now is that, free from all stress, Masako gets pregnant!!!!

Sometimes it happen.

In theory only!
It would be great - specially for IHA. After all they efforts and finaly success, Masako would do them smth like that - gave a boy. I wouldn't have nothing against it! Probably like some of us.

kimebear 09-05-2006 08:24 PM

I am happy for the safe delivery of the baby for both mother and child. However, now that the gauntlet has been thrown down, Naruhito and Masako should have a "designer baby" as well. Maybe Masako could use a donor egg because of her age as complications increase with advanced maternal age. The IHA most likely aren't concerned with her genetics. Assuming of course that it wouldn't endanger her life because then it is unthinkable. Also assuming that the problem isn't Naruhito in which case, the IHA should back off of Masako.:mad: Sorry, but I believe that Masako will be treated even worse now. Kiko did what Masako couldn't.

Princejohnny25 09-05-2006 08:30 PM

I wonder if Naruhito will still even decide to continue as the crown prince. One of the most importent job of an heir is to produce an heir and according to the IHA he has failed at that job. Personally, If I was Naruhito, I would give up my place and try to start a normal life. Maybe Masako could go back to doing what she loves and Aiko could grow as a normal child.

Lady Jennifer 09-05-2006 08:30 PM

Maybe this will lessen the pressure on Masako & maybe just maybe a little miracle will happen....
Congrats to the parents & the big sisters

Zonk 09-05-2006 08:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Princejohnny25
I wonder if Naruhito will still even decide to continue as the crown prince. One of the most importent job of an heir is to produce an heir and according to the IHA he has failed at that job. Personally, If I was Naruhito, I would give up my place and try to start a normal life. Maybe Masako could go back to doing what she loves and Aiko could grow as a normal child.

I don't think they will let him just walk. IMO Masako will either totally fade into the background or they will still pressure her into trying to get pregnant with the "boy." Kiko's baby (while loved by his parents I am sure) will be the spare. I just hope and pray and that this child has a normal life (as much as possible for an heir). And not treated as delicate poreclain china.

Vanesa 09-05-2006 08:35 PM

I was not here for some days, and sincerily, I believed that the baby should born much later. But well...here he is and I'm happy he is healthy. How Princess Kiko's health is? No doubt she must have had the better medicine care in the world but "placenta previa" is not a joke.

For what I've read she is allright. If she is well, I'm very relieved...:flowers: :wub:

Vanesa.


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