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JR76 08-06-2019 11:45 AM

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Originally Posted by eya (Post 2244745)
Wedding of Countess Josephine and Kenneth Schmidt at Lyngby City Hall in Denmark today 6 August

https://www.ppe-agency.com/show.php?...2019%20Wedding

Congratulations to the couple. I had no idea that Josephine (who's not a countess anymore) was getting married again.

An Ard Ri 08-06-2019 03:12 PM

Why is Josephine no longer styled a Countess (unequal marriage? )

JR76 08-06-2019 03:21 PM

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Originally Posted by An Ard Ri (Post 2244780)
Why is Josephine no longer styled a Countess (unequal marriage? )

A Danish komtesse (daughter of a count) looses her title upon marriage and after that she carries the title of her husband. If he doesn't have one then neither does she. If a female member of the nobility marries a commoner she looses her status as a noble and won't get it back after a divorce.
The three Rosenborg sisters got the Queen's permission to keep their names when they married, but not their titles. In spite of this they still go by their birth title in the tabloids (where some of them are frequently mentioned) and other media.

Somebody 08-06-2019 03:41 PM

Why are all count Christian's grandchildren 'of Rosenborgs' instead of carrying their fathers' surnames?

An Ard Ri 08-06-2019 03:47 PM

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Originally Posted by JR76 (Post 2244782)
A Danish komtesse (daughter of a count) looses her title upon marriage and after that she carries the title of her husband. If he doesn't have one then neither does she. If a female member of the nobility marries a commoner she looses her status as a noble and won't get it back after a divorce.
The three Rosenborg sisters got the Queen's permission to keep their names when they married, but not their titles. In spite of this they still go by their birth title in the tabloids (where some of them are frequently mentioned) and other media.

What an archaic rule,I bet it doesn't happen to the males!

Muhler 08-06-2019 04:23 PM

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Originally Posted by An Ard Ri (Post 2244787)
What an archaic rule,I bet it doesn't happen to the males!

It doesn't.
A son is a count and remains a count after marriage.

It is indeed unfair. But then noble titles is by their very nature anything but about equality.

Tarlita 08-06-2019 05:24 PM

A beautiful photo of the happy bride. They make a lovely couple.

A lot of these old rules seem unfair in todays world. A noble girl is expected to marry a man of equal or better status. When she doesn't sa la vie. The marriage rules I expect only differ very slightly from court to court.
As the male heir is meant to inherit everything (ie; the estate) and carry on the title thru the generations. A nobles daughters are not looked after by the family estate when they marry as her husband is meant to give a title and or status.

Also many thanks Muhler on your post of Count Ingolfs interview. I only just saw it today.

JR76 08-06-2019 11:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Somebody (Post 2244786)
Why are all count Christian's grandchildren 'of Rosenborgs' instead of carrying their fathers' surnames?

As far as I know you're free to take the surname of your mother. In fact many Danish ladies either keep their own surname or add that of their husband to their own upon marriage. It's quite common these days for Danes to carry their mother's surname if it's one that sounds "better" than that of their father. This is often the case if the fathers name ends with -sen or is otherwise one that's in common use.
Even if the children of the Rosenborg sisters had used their father's surname it would also have been normal if they carried their mother's surname as a middle name - "Anastasia af Rosenborg Rosanes".

theroyalfly 08-07-2019 01:53 AM

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Originally Posted by eya (Post 2244745)
Wedding of Countess Josephine and Kenneth Schmidt at Lyngby City Hall in Denmark today 6 August

https://www.ppe-agency.com/show.php?...2019%20Wedding

How related is the groom to Countess Josephine's first husband, Thomas Christian Schmidt?

JR76 08-07-2019 03:13 AM

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Originally Posted by theroyalfly (Post 2244830)
How related is the groom to Countess Josephine's first husband, Thomas Christian Schmidt?

Probably not at all. Schmidt is not an unusual surname in Denmark. In fact I think it's one of the 10 most common surnames so if the two are related it's probably not very close.

Biri 08-07-2019 06:44 AM

And Kenneth doesn't have any children except Oscar?

Congratulations to the couple!

P.S. In the following photo Camilla looks pregnant:

https://www.ppe-agency.com/500px/Aug...PE19080606.jpg

HereditaryPrincess 08-08-2019 04:41 PM

Congratulations to Countess Josephine and her new husband :flowers:
I hope they both find happiness in their re-marriage.


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