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KathyMoore 09-05-2006 09:23 AM

Laws and traditions regarding wives, children, and concubines
 
Are Japanese royals allowed to use IVF (Invitro Fertilization) to conceive babies?

Or is this against some rules or traditions?

Thanks!

Emily 09-05-2006 09:42 AM

There is another thread on this in the Forum -- apparently CP Masako used IVF to have Aiko. Check the Japanese Royal Family threads.

magnik 09-05-2006 10:12 AM

Here:
http://www.theroyalforums.com/forums...time-8747.html

KathyMoore 09-05-2006 05:12 PM

Were the Japanese emperors/princes allowed to have multiple wives?
 
Were the Japanese emperors/princes allowed to have multiple wives?
(19th century or earlier)

If so, did any of the sons of the 2nd(or 3rd, etc...) wives
ever become emperors?

Thanks!

monica17 09-05-2006 09:03 PM

From what I know, Japanese emperors in the 19th century and earlier had a wife, the empress, plus concubines. Sons from concubines are allowed to reign if there are no sons of the Emperor and Empress. The last son from a concubine or what is better termed as a lady-in-waiting (not sure of the distinction between the two) who reigned was Emperor Taisho, the grandfather of Emperor Akihito. I think sons of the concubines, or at least the designated crown prince from a concubine, is considered as the empress' son.

Hope this answers your question, KathyMoore.

KathyMoore 09-05-2006 10:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by monica17

Hope this answers your question, KathyMoore.

Thanks for that info!

Does the current Japanese law allow the emperor or price to have a concubine?

:)

KathyMoore 09-05-2006 10:19 PM

Can Japanese princes/princesses marry their 1st or 2nd cousins?
 
Can Japanese princes/princesses marry their 1st or 2nd cousins?
Has this ever happened in the last couple hundred years?

Thanks!

Sister Morphine 09-05-2006 10:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by KathyMoore
Thanks for that info!

Does the current Japanese law allow the emperor or price to have a concubine?

:)


I had read that there was talk of asking the CP to take a concubine in the off-chance that she'd give him a son, but I don't know if anything came of that.

kawaiian 09-05-2006 11:44 PM

Until Emperor Akihito, they were marrying first and second cousins constantly because they wanted thick bloodline for the royal family. Emperor Hirohito's wife was his first cousin.

CrownPrinceLorenzo 09-06-2006 01:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by KathyMoore
Can Japanese princes/princesses marry their 1st or 2nd cousins?
Has this ever happened in the last couple hundred years?

Thanks!

LOL I've been saying this, there were no male line/female line in the Japanese Royal Family because they marry each other... Uncles marrying their nieces, cousins marrying cousins...

KathyMoore 09-10-2006 11:10 PM

Has any member of the Japanese royal family ever married a foreigner in the past?
 
Has any member of the Japanese royal family
ever married a foreigner in the past?

Sister Morphine 09-10-2006 11:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by KathyMoore
Has any member of the Japanese royal family
ever married a foreigner in the past?


No offense, but you just made a thread asking this same question.

Elspeth 09-10-2006 11:29 PM

I've merged that thread into this one, since the topic overlapped with the topic of this thread.

BMC 10-04-2006 01:51 PM

What I would like to know is, is there any support from the Japanese people for their Crown Prince to have concubines until he fathers a son? Or for him to divorce Princess Masako so that he could remarry?

Personally I don't think the Crown Prince would do either, he seems very devoted to his wife and she to him. But with the IHA breathing down Crown Prince Naruhito's neck night and day for him to get a boy, (despite the birth of Prince Akishino & Princess Kiko's baby son) he might be forced into doing something this drastic.. :sad:

Thumbahlina 07-20-2015 10:01 PM

Re-creating the life of a 17th-century concubine | The Japan Times


Here is something to kind of briefly reference to establish the cultural significance of concubines at a glance.

Quote:

Originally Posted by BMC (Post 515592)
What I would like to know is, is there any support from the Japanese people for their Crown Prince to have concubines until he fathers a son? Or for him to divorce Princess Masako so that he could remarry?

Personally I don't think the Crown Prince would do either, he seems very devoted to his wife and she to him. But with the IHA breathing down Crown Prince Naruhito's neck night and day for him to get a boy, (despite the birth of Prince Akishino & Princess Kiko's baby son) he might be forced into doing something this drastic.. :sad:


I don't know, but, he's got a wife and is heir apparent, if she wanted a concubine for him, she would be consort in the event he ascends throne, then what business is that of the public? A concubine wouldn't be Royalty and a concubine isn't a consort. Kind of like a consort would make tea a concubine could help pour it a consort could serve it a concubine could help clean it up, a concubine could live with them and help spin silk or help collect silk a consort could raise silk worms a concubine could help. That is not saying that is what they do, but it is a simple way to understand that a concubine doesn't have to be Levitical about it. As far as I understand it and that isn't saying much because I am just researching what I can right now.

Their in laws had a son who can hold title.

Princess Masako is a diplomat's daughter and the wife of a Prince. She was educated some in New York City, went to a Catholic school in 1970's Tokyo, the school was established by the Congregation of the Holy Infant Jesus in 1872 her Grandmother went to also and her Grandparents helped raise her, later she lived in Boston during senior high school and her father was a guest professor at Harvard, she later graduated high school as president of the national honor society, went to Harvard during trade tension with the United States on scholarship, living with host families, then went to France to attend Goethe Institut then graduating magna cum laude in economics.

So really, doesn't sound like a concubine has a place there in all that.


Him, he's that baby that was born at the palace in a barn inside the moat, with a happy childhood, played baseball, played with the children of the Royal Chamberlin, has bachelors has masters degrees, plays violin, likes history, appreciates conservation.

I really do not think that a concubine is something he would even consider seriously as a question about him having one or wanting one and if he has one, that is between he and his wife. I highly doubt and frankly couldn't seriously consider these two being interested in a concubine.

The family tree is big, yes, but, concubines? There are in the history concubines being mentioned, in the Japanese royal family, but in this day and age I do not see the proper place for a contributing concubine and surely not Levitican.

Chubb Fuddler 07-20-2015 11:34 PM

Under the current legislation, a son born to a concubine would not have succession rights because legally he would be illegitimate. Japanese marriage laws do not allow for multiple partners, and the Imperial Household Law 1947 stipulates that only legitimate sons are in the line of succession. So even if the Crown Prince was thus inclined, which I very much doubt he is, the concubine solution is now a legal dead end.


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