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jazmin 12-01-2013 10:05 PM

Belgian Titles
 
Belgian Titles


Hi!, i wanna know how many tittles exist in Belgium and what are that, i just know about the duque and duchess of Brabant

Ish 12-01-2013 10:28 PM

I would suggest checking out the Wikipedia page on Belgian nobility, which discusses the various titles used in Belgium.

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Belgian_nobility

jazmin 12-07-2013 12:34 AM

sorry but i cant understand all the titles thing, someone can explain me please?

CyrilVladisla 02-13-2014 08:33 PM

The title of "Duke of Brabant" alludes to the Duchy of Brabant, the main region of the Habsburg Netherlands.
From An Ard Ri's mention of
Duke of Brabant - Wikipedia.
The article mentions "In the modern Kingdom of Belgium the title of 'Duke of Brabant'" was revived as an "honorific title".

An Ard Ri 02-14-2014 07:14 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CyrilVladisla (Post 1640861)
The title of "Duke of Brabant" alludes to the Duchy of Brabant, the main region of the Habsburg Netherlands.

Duchy of Brabant


Duchy of Brabant - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Duke of Brabant


Duke of Brabant - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

maria-olivia 02-14-2014 09:44 AM

As Prince Albert de Liege's Children were the King Nephews the received no tittle.
When Albert II became King this oldest Son, our Heir was titled Duke de Brabant.

King Leopold III gave to his second son Albert the tittle of Prince de Liege.

King Albert I tittled his second son Charles Comte de Flandres who was still alive when Albert was born.

Perhaps King Philippe will tittle Elisabeth Duchess of Brabant when she is 18 years old and give to his 2 sons tittles when they get married.

An Ard Ri 02-14-2014 10:02 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by maria-olivia (Post 1641001)
Perhaps King Philippe will tittle Elisabeth Duchess of Brabant when she is 18 years old and give to his 2 sons tittles when they get married.

I thought Princess Elisabeth was already Duchess of Brabant since her fathers accession to the throne?

The other titles previously used by the Belgians Royal Family were ; Prince & Princess of Ličge , Count & Countess of Hainaut Count & Countess of Flanders,the last were abolished by Albert II.

MAfan 02-14-2014 10:49 AM

Yes, Princess Elisabeth is already the Duchess of Brabant, since King Philippe's accession.
The title of Duke of Brabant is automatically bestowed on the eldest child of the King (or in future Queen) of the Belgians.

Stefan 02-14-2014 11:02 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MAfan (Post 1641028)
Yes, Princess Elisabeth is already the Duchess of Brabant, since King Philippe's accession.
The title of Duke of Brabant is automatically bestowed on the eldest child of the King (or in future Queen) of the Belgians.

Is will be interesting to see if a future husband of Princess Elisabeth will also be styled as Duke of Brabant like in Sweden where Prince Daniel is also styled Duke of Västergotland. Or if they follow the dutch example where a future husband of Pricness Catharina-Amalia will not ber stlyed as Prince of Orange.

An Ard Ri 02-14-2014 11:06 AM

I wonder also if we'll ever see another Prince & Princess of Ličge?

Stefan 02-14-2014 11:30 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by An Ard Ri (Post 1641040)
I wonder also if we'll ever see another Prince & Princess of Ličge?

Don't think so as King Albert II. abolished all the Titles used by the Royal Family with the exception of Duke/Duchess of Brabant in 2001 short before the birth of Princess Elisabeth. Reason was that they are referring to either cities or Regions in Flanders or the Wallonie.

Marchesina 02-14-2014 05:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Stefan (Post 1641037)
Is will be interesting to see if a future husband of Princess Elisabeth will also be styled as Duke of Brabant like in Sweden where Prince Daniel is also styled Duke of Västergotland. Or if they follow the dutch example where a future husband of Pricness Catharina-Amalia will not ber stlyed as Prince of Orange.

I personally like the Swedish model...although I have a feeling they'll follow the Dutch one.
It seems quite unlikely, but it would be nice if Philippe could restore all the titles (as honorific of course) and give them to all his children, the way they do in Sweden. Not just the Prince of Ličge but also the Count of Flanders and Count of Hainaut and even some brand new title (there's plently of royal children to represent the whole nation :lol::lol::lol::lol:)

MAfan 02-15-2014 07:48 AM

Well, I'm not sure about how much correct is the paragon with the Dutch model. I mean, the title of Prince of Orange is a personal title of the eldest child of the sovereign of The Netherlands and can't be shared with his/her spouse. This means that the husband of the Princess of Orange doesn't has the title of Prince of Orange, but also that the wife of the Prince of Orange isn't Princess of Orange (the most recent example is Queen Maxima, who - before becoming Queen - was simply HRH Princess Maxima of The Netherlands, while her husband was HRH the Prince of Orange.
Instead the title of Duke of Brabant has always been shared by his wife - i.e. Mathilde was officially titled HRH the Duke of Brabant. Under this point of view, the usage of the title of Duke/Duchess of Brabant is more similar to the usage of the Swedish titles.
But to know exactly what will happen we just have to wait for the marriage of Princess Elisabeth.

Camberwell 05-17-2014 08:55 PM

Belgian Titles
 
If, for instance, Princess Maria Laura of Belgium grew up and married a commoner, would he get any title from his marriage to her?

I'd be very grateful for anyone who would be kind enough to help me!

Thank you very much.

Marchesina 05-18-2014 06:37 AM

since Princess Maria Laura is 7th in line to the throne now, but one day she will be outclassed by her cousins' children and her brother's children, it's unlikely her future husband will get any title. she will be simply known as Princess Maria Laura, Mrs XY.
Probably only Princess Elisabeth's husband will be granted a title, since she's the heiress to the throne and he will most likely be her Prince Consort when she'll succeed her father (though probably she will keep the title of Duchess of Brabant for herself, just like the Princess of Orange) ... I'm not even sure Princess Eleonore's husband will receive the same treatment.

Camberwell 05-18-2014 06:40 AM

Thank you very much.

maria-olivia 05-18-2014 07:38 AM

All Prince Lorenz girls are born TR &IHH Archduchesses of Habsbourg Este and Princesses of Belgium and will remain until the end of their lifes.
I don' remember if Archduke Otto's girls married noblemen ?

Duc_et_Pair 05-18-2014 08:12 AM

The Belgians have a most peculiar (and in my eyes unlucky) system. The Royal Decree of 2 December 1991 says the following: "[....] the title Prince or Princess of Belgium will be granted to the Princes and Princesses whom will be born by our descendants in direct line [....]"

This means that the title is hereditary to all descendants of King Albert II, in both the male and female lineage. This leads to a staggering 22 Princes/Princesses of Belgium today and this will only increase, causing an inflation of that title. To answer your question: when this Royal Decree is not adapted, children of Archuchess Maria Laura of Austria-Este , Princess of Belgium can become Prince(ss) of Belgium indeed but NOT Archduke (Archduchess) of Austria-Este, since that is only hereditary via the male lineage.

Duc_et_Pair 05-18-2014 08:23 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by maria-olivia (Post 1666090)
[...]I don' remember if Archduke Otto's girls married noblemen ?

Archduchess Monika
married Luis María Gonzaga de Casanova-Cárdenas y Barón, Duque de Santángelo (a Spanish Duke).

Archduchess Michaela
married first Eric Alba Teran d'Antin (a French aristocrat)
and married secondly Hubertus Graf von Kageneck (a German Count).

Archduchess Gabriela
married a commoner, Christian Meister.

Archduchess Walburga
married Axel Archibald Greve Douglas and Angus (a Swedish Count)

:flowers:

Stefan 05-18-2014 08:44 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Duc_et_Pair (Post 1666095)
Archduchess Monika
married Luis María Gonzaga de Casanova-Cárdenas y Barón, Duque de Santángelo (Spanish nobility).

Archduchess Michaela
married first Eric Alba Teran d'Antin (French nobility)
and married secondly Hubertus Graf von Kageneck (German nobility).

Archduchess Gabriela
married a commoner, Christian Meister.

Archduchess Walburga
married Axel Archibald Count Douglas and Angus (Swedish nobility).

:flowers:

and the oldest Archduchess Andreas married Hereditary Count Karl Eugen of Neipperg, who will once day succed his father as head of this mediatized House.


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