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Old 01-04-2018, 11:23 AM
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Well, you are clearly a supporter of days gone by - as is evident in all your posts. Sorry for you, but that's the way things are in today's royal world.

Sorry for myself too, because I am also nostalgic for the substance over style days....the days gone by.

Now anyone who dresses well is basically "Royal material".

I appreciate a beautiful, stylish Royal as much as the next one, but particularly if they are not spending taxpayer $$(Charlene of Monaco) and are doing other valuable work as well(also Charlene).

But when clothes and looks become reported as if it's the princess's raison d'etre then it's obscene imo.
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Old 01-04-2018, 11:26 AM
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We wanted to provide the facts so that if people were to make these kinds of statements, there were facts that we could point them to that would either back up or contradict their statements.
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The retail prizes of the items bought by the ladies? We really don't know how much (or little) they pay for their clothes.

The only way you would have facts is, if you had access to the receipts.
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Old 01-04-2018, 11:26 AM
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Dec et Pair and Duke I agree. Most media personnel find it necessary to make sure they comment on price of clothes, cars, homes, etc., of every human they are writing about whether royal, entertainer, politician or even the common man. Most of the time this pricing has absolutely nothing to do with the actual event. Even criminal events have been known to publish the price of homes and clothes of killers or rapists! Plus then most reading critique the clothes or possessions. It seems to me that the world in general has developed a fetish into knowing the value of things rather than the value of the person. Seem to covet other's material things. That being said, I truly appreciate the trouble and work that went into gathering the post on the spending of royal ladies. You did a nice job with something that interested you and I thank you for sharing. Not many would have gone to so much trouble especially knowing the fault that would be found. I personally feel that the royals that probably spend the most on their wardrobe is Queen Elizabeth II, Queen Maxima and Duchess of Cornwall who all have personal allowances [one way or another] so they can spend anyway they desire. That is what an allowance is, personal money same as a paycheck for services rendered. Once again Sarahbellar, thank you and your team for your hard and time consuming job.
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Old 01-04-2018, 01:41 PM
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The retail prizes of the items bought by the ladies? We really don't know how much (or little) they pay for their clothes.

The only way you would have facts is, if you had access to the receipts.
Yes- that is true- but we tried. We offered statistics on the full prices of clothing in order to provide an objective, unbiased account of what their clothing costed. We addressed the issue of why we went for the full prices and not the sale prices here in this infograph that we made after there were discussions about Queen Letizia's numbers.

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Old 01-04-2018, 05:18 PM
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It is pure speculation. Queen Máxima buys dresses from Natan, Jan Taminuau, Claes Iversen, Mattijs Berge, Tom Ford, Etro, Benito Fernández, Valentino and a whole fleet of couturiers more. She has gloves in all colours of the rainbow. Her atticks are crammed with hats, mostly by Fabienne Delvigne. She has been seen with all sorts of footwear, from Louboutins to sandals. The purses vary from Chanel to Hermès. Not to mention the scarfs, the stoles, the pashminas, etc. And what about her jewels?

No one can ever add a prize tag to it because no one knows the prize which is paid. By the way: Queen Máxima loans nothing and is also not given things for free. It is seen as "undesireable" when the royals are given favours because it creates a "dependence relationship to thirds". The Household will insist a that an invoice is sent to the Thesauriër des Konings (the King's Treasurer) to register it correctly, also because of the accountability of the expenses of the Royal House.

I am sure the same counts for more Royal Houses: "I beg your pardon Sir, Her Majesty The Queen of Sweden is NO advertorial for a fashion label. This is the Royal House of Sweden, not the red carpet in Hollywood".

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Old 01-05-2018, 07:26 AM
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Well while I hate the DM et al for their photos with price tags, posters such as Lady Finn balance this by noting when and where items were previously worn and I find myself nodding and reading about the occassions that rated an outing.

I think we often forget that we expect our Royals to represent us on the international stage. We do not appreciate having their attire found wanting. They need to do us proud. It's like the Nobel ceremonies in Sweden, the recipients are deemed worthy of being publicly feted and much as it annoys me we would not even see their faces were it not for partnering them with a member of the SRF walking down that magnificent staircase and sitting together at the banquets.
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Old 01-05-2018, 07:27 AM
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It is known that Queen Maxima has double dresses , shoes etc than Queen Mathilde.
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Old 01-05-2018, 07:31 AM
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Sorry for myself too, because I am also nostalgic for the substance over style days....the days gone by.

Now anyone who dresses well is basically "Royal material".

I appreciate a beautiful, stylish Royal as much as the next one, but particularly if they are not spending taxpayer $$(Charlene of Monaco) and are doing other valuable work as well(also Charlene).

But when clothes and looks become reported as if it's the princess's raison d'etre then it's obscene imo.
You also fall into that category, yes. Although a little less rigid (or so it seems) than the poster I replied to.
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Old 01-05-2018, 08:03 AM
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I'm always surprised at the notion that we should be taken aback by the amount spent by royals on different things. We know they're rich. Why should they pretend to be anything else?
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Old 01-05-2018, 08:53 AM
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It is known that Queen Maxima has double dresses , shoes etc than Queen Mathilde.
I am not sure if that is true. Queen Máxima and Queen Mathilde both regularly are seen in repeated outfits. And both frequently appear in new outfits, new gala gowns, etc. I think Queen Máxima has more accessoires like hats, purses, gloves, stoles, pashminas, belts, shoes, etc. Queen Mathilde and Queen Máxima will have more or less the same garderobe, they more or less have a similar frequency in public appearances.
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Old 01-29-2018, 05:17 AM
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I think it's important to add the variables to these hard numbers. Maxima, Mathilde, Elizabeth and Camilla have a lot of clothes that are made for them and nobody has a clue how much it cost them.

2017 was Catherine's first year as a full time royal. Camilla along with Mary and their spouses are covering a lot more of the Monarch and Consort's workload. Both of these situations necessitate more clothing to cover the workload.

Queen Elizabeth has made a habit of changing her ensembles and wearing wonderful block coloured coats over print dresses with matching hats. However, none of us or those in the business have a clue how much she spends, how much she recycles and how much she mixes and matches and (joy of joys) it must drive them demented.
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Old 01-29-2018, 06:03 AM
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I'm always surprised at the notion that we should be taken aback by the amount spent by royals on different things. We know they're rich. Why should they pretend to be anything else?
I suppose the problem is that royal ladies don't always pay for clothes and jewelry with private family money, but also (sometimes mostly) with the stipend they get from the State. To me, that is fine because the main job of a queen consort or a crown princess these days is basically a ceremonial representation of the State and they are supposed to dress at their best, especially on formal occasions. That obviously has a cost that the State must be prepared to pay if it wants them to keep "doing their job" so to speak.

People who are anti-monarchists will always complain anyway that the royals spend too much on personal items.

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s double dresses , shoes etc than Queen Mathilde. I am not sure if that is true. Queen Máxima and Queen Mathilde both regularly are seen in repeated outfits. And both frequently appear in new outfits, new gala gowns, etc. I think Queen Máxima has more accessoires like hats, purses, gloves, stoles, pashminas, belts, shoes, etc. Queen Mathilde and Queen Máxima will have more or less the same garderobe, they more or less have a similar frequency in public appearances.
I suppose there are many issues in play when we compare Mathilde to Máxima (please correct if I am wrong):

1) I don't know exactly how much each family is worth, but the general consensus obviously is that the Orange-Nassaus are now much wealthier than the Belgian Coburgs.

2) The Belgian RF, in absolute terms, gets less money from the State than the Dutch Royal House, and the money in Belgium has to be divided between Philippe/Mathilde, Albert/Paola, Astrid, and Laurent. In the Netherlands, only Beatrix, Willem-Alexander and Máxima get public funding.

3) Belgian royals have to pay both income tax and inheritance taxes; Dutch royals who get public money are exempted.

There is, however, at least one thing where Belgian royals are better off: they now have the right of disposal to much nicer residences than their Dutch counterparts thanks to King Léopold II's setting up the Royal Trust and the Dutch RF giving up most of their palaces in recent times.
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Old 01-29-2018, 06:08 AM
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I have a serious question about all these royal ladies and clothes...just where in the heck do they store all these clothes, hats, shoes, purses, gloves and everything else they wear? Think of Queen Elizabeth and her hats for goodness sake, she must have thousands of hats in every color there is and more........where do these ladies keep all this? Do they turn the dungeons into huge closets, at times I wonder if there is an underground warehouse of clothing in all those castles, palaces, and mansions they own. Everything must be labeled when they wore it and who was at the event, dates, times, places, on each piece of clothing, gads the work the serving women do to keep all this clean and ready for the next time........and they must use golf carts to go back and forth down the lanes of clothing to find anything...............boggles the mind a bit...
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Old 01-29-2018, 09:21 AM
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Worse, it's probably all computerised. What ensemble she wore and when with an addendum to when trimmings on hats or buttons on coats were changed . . .
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Old 01-29-2018, 09:38 AM
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I have a serious question about all these royal ladies and clothes...just where in the heck do they store all these clothes, hats, shoes, purses, gloves and everything else they wear? Think of Queen Elizabeth and her hats for goodness sake, she must have thousands of hats in every color there is and more........where do these ladies keep all this? Do they turn the dungeons into huge closets, at times I wonder if there is an underground warehouse of clothing in all those castles, palaces, and mansions they own. Everything must be labeled when they wore it and who was at the event, dates, times, places, on each piece of clothing, gads the work the serving women do to keep all this clean and ready for the next time........and they must use golf carts to go back and forth down the lanes of clothing to find anything...............boggles the mind a bit...
Thanks for this. I have often wondered about this too. The golf cart part gave me a really good laugh this morning.
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I believe I mentioned once prior {years ago} that there was a special on this "closet/storage/cold area" of rooms in BP that stores all of Queen Elizabeth's dresses, coats, hats, furs, gloves, shoes plus a few favorite pieces of jewelry that she wears extremely often. If I remember correctly there are 3 or 4 employees that keep all these articles cleaned, pressed and dust free. I believe there are 5 rooms at perfect temp. At that time they were just thinking of computerizing each garment and cataloging exactly when and for what occasion they were worn. I am sure that has been done by now as at that time it was done by hand in large ledgers. I believe it was on the History Channel. It also showed a small bit on Phillips' different uniforms, etc. I don't know how to look this up on the computer, but someone on this forum must be Internet savvy and maybe could find out more information. Thinking back, it had to be prior to 1996 as I watched while still living in New Jersey.
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The Dutch royals store everything worth preserving in the Royal House Archives. In the 1990's an underground extension has been added. When you scroll down you can see the drawing:

Welkom in het Koninklijk Huisarchief - Koninklijkeverzamelingen
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