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Here's the post for genealogical discussions about the Bonaparte family. It includes the descendants of all the Bonaparte siblings, their ancestors and the descendants of Joséphine de Beauharnais, first wife of Napoleon, which descendants were many to marry into the Gotha.
Please feel free to ask any questions or add details and datas.

Danielane, Royal Genealogy Moderator
 
 
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Furienna said:
So Napoleon still has descendants? WOW!
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I'll update this post later with the links on Napoleon's other kids. He did leave several children from his extra marital affairs much like Napoleon III did, they were given titles and use the mother's name but both Emperors did leave direct descendants to this day. But that link is in my other PC and I'll update this message later on from it. It's a great site that lists the legal and not so legal Royal and Imperial offsprings.


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Monday, July 5th updated link for Furienna:
here is the link on all Bonapartes http://genroy.free.fr/bonaparte.html
It list the legitimate lines as well as the lesser known children of Napoleon I and Napoleon III. There is another site with the photos of some of these children as adults, Napoleon III's other children inherited his looks while the official heir by Empress Eugene looks more like his mother than his father.
 
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ibf said:
Does anyone know how many kids Empress Eugenie had? Some websites I go to on the internet say that she only had one son and then others talk about Eugenie and her children. Who were her other children?
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She had only one son with Napoleon III
= Eugene-Louis, prince imperial des Francais (1856-79).
Btw. Eugenie had about six god-children: Marie-Louise Delmas de Grammont, Ines de Bourgoing, Napoleon Wells de La Valette, Bartholobi girl, Victoria Eugenie "Ena"von Battenberg and Clotilde Napoleon, princesse Napoleon.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eugénie_de_Montijo
http://geneweb.inria.fr/roglo?lang=en;i=10446
 
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He did leave several children from his extra marital affairs much like Napoleon III did, they were given titles and use the mother's name but both Emperors did leave direct descendants to this day.
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I think the question of the First Emperor offsprings is very important for the aspirations of us Bonapartists, personally i feel that since the Death of L'Aiglon at Schonbrum, the House of Bonaparte must realized that they are nominating descendency of Napoleon's brother's, I am a bonapartist and for me the issue of the Emperor descedancy is critical to evaluate our posibilities of restoring Imperial France.
 
If memory serves me well, the Bourbons took over the Capet legacy when the King of Navarra married a Valois princess and dethroned the last Valois. Right? So dynastic name change goes hand in hand with continuity thought the mother's side.

I don't know, I just have a problem with these rules that name inheritance is considered less when is passed through a woman. That is too chauvinistic for me to accept in this era. Even in other advanced cultures like the ancient Maya Kingdoms, a woman's DNA outranked the men's.
 
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Toledo said:
If memory serves me well, the Bourbons took over the Capet legacy when the King of Navarra married a Valois princess and dethroned the last Valois. Right? So dynastic name change goes hand in hand with continuity thought the mother's side.
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The grandson of Antoine de Bourbon and the Valois Princess took the French Throne: it was king Henri IV (who was king of Navarre by her mother). But he was a Bourbon, and the Bourbon are direct descendants (by the males) of saint Louis (king Louis IX of France) and his son Robert de Clermont. Don't know if it's clear, but the Bourbons are direct Capetians.
 
Thanks! So they were cousins after all.
 
Toledo said:
If memory serves me well, the Bourbons took over the Capet legacy when the King of Navarra married a Valois princess and dethroned the last Valois. Right? So dynastic name change goes hand in hand with continuity thought the mother's side.
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King Henry of Navarre (later King Henry IV of France and Navarre) married sister of King Charles IX Valois (and daughter of Henry II and Catherine de Medici) Marguerite de Valois . After the death of all of her borthers Marguerite was the eldest surviving daughter of King Henry II, however she was not the heir (due to much talked Salic law). Henry IV was a direct descendant, as Danielane has pointed, of Saint Louis, so he was the rightful heir himself. Of course, marriage to the King Henry II's daughter and Kings Charles IX, Henry III sister only made his chances more preferable but he was the heir all by himself. He had to fight (literally) for his Throne though. His main opponent for a time was Duke Henry de Guise, who had an immense support among the people (he was a devoted Catholic, his brother was a Cardinal, while Henry of Navarre was a Protestant, though he did convert at the end).
Personally I see one of the reasons Heny was married to Queen Margot for so long, was the fact she was sister and daughter of the Kings. As I said, it made his chances preferable. It's only my opinion though.
 
I just found this section I've never seen before of a site about the Bonapartes-Napoleons* and the surnames associated with their genealogical tree. To make it simple, as the site states: This site contains 1109 individuals and 413 unique surnames

The Genealogy of the Bonaparte and their surnames

* from what I understand, the last name was changed from Bonaparte to Napoleon by Victor, Prince NAPOLEON (Paris 18/7/1862 - + Bruxelles 3/5/1926). Reminds me of Julius Caesar, whose name became a title (Caesar, Kaiser, Kzar/Czar/Zar, etc)

Enjoy the reading! :king:

Bonus link found in another section of that site: http://www.napoleonseries.org/genealogy/
 
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cesar said:
I think the question of the First Emperor offsprings is very important for the aspirations of us Bonapartists, personally i feel that since the Death of L'Aiglon at Schonbrum, the House of Bonaparte must realized that they are nominating descendency of Napoleon's brother's, I am a bonapartist and for me the issue of the Emperor descedancy is critical to evaluate our posibilities of restoring Imperial France.
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Something interesting: when I was on a tour of St. James' Palace, one of the officials gave me a family tree linking Emperor Napoleon I in tail-male line to Charles II of England. Has anyone else heard of this?
 
Avalon said:
King Henry of Navarre (later King Henry IV of France and Navarre) married sister of King Charles IX Valois (and daughter of Henry II and Catherine de Medici) Marguerite de Valois . After the death of all of her borthers Marguerite was the eldest surviving daughter of King Henry II, however she was not the heir (due to much talked Salic law). Henry IV was a direct descendant, as Danielane has pointed, of Saint Louis, so he was the rightful heir himself. Of course, marriage to the King Henry II's daughter and Kings Charles IX, Henry III sister only made his chances more preferable but he was the heir all by himself. He had to fight (literally) for his Throne though. His main opponent for a time was Duke Henry de Guise, who had an immense support among the people (he was a devoted Catholic, his brother was a Cardinal, while Henry of Navarre was a Protestant, though he did convert at the end).
Personally I see one of the reasons Heny was married to Queen Margot for so long, was the fact she was sister and daughter of the Kings. As I said, it made his chances preferable. It's only my opinion though.
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I've always wondered what would have happened in Scotland if the first wife of King James IV, Marguerite de France, daughter of Francois I and Claude de France, daughter of Louis IX and Anne of Brittany, had survived and produced an heir. Then, there would've been no Mary I of Scotland, no de Guise faction in Scotland....hmmm..
 
Does anybody know a good link that lists all the decendants of Louis Napoleon and Hortense? Also of Charles de Morny and the illegitemate children of Napoleon III?
 
I have just finished a group of books about Josephine Bonaparte, The family of Napoleon Bonaparte, a book on his second wife Marie Louise and one on Hortense Queen of Holland..

Hortense had only one child that lived that was Napoleon lll and he had only one child that died young fighting in the Zulu War in Africa.
 
Napoleon III. had in his youth, which he spent in Arenenberg (Switzerland) at Lake of Constance, an affair with Anna Maria Schiess in Allensbach (vis a vis Arenenberg in Germany) (* 26.07.1812 Allensbach, + 24.04.1880 Allensbach). From this Liason was the illegitimate son Bonaventure Karrer (* 14.07.1839 Allensbach, +12.07.1921 Singen) later married Anna Maria Schiess the younger Meinrad Karrer (* 13.01.1827 Allensbach, +?) Which the adoptive father of Bonaventure was. This is occupied by the Ahnenpass of the family Stössel as well as by tradition in the communities Allensbach and Constance.
By Napoleon III. Exhibition the 200th Birthday of the Emperor in Constance, this was published several times while still living descendants presented.
More in German


Nachkommen (Descendant) von Napoleon III. « Nachkomme, Descendant Napoleon III.

Medien-Berichte.de – Der Nachfahre des Kaisers
 
Was Princess Georges of Greece , born Marie Bonaparte , the real last Bonaparte, as she mentionned in her book ??
 
In terms of birth Princess Marie Bonaparte was very low ranking within "Society", a Princess with no Highness of any sort, just "Princess" as her father Roland was just "Prince". Prince Roland was the son of Pierre, Prince français and Imperial Highness at birth, who was in turn the son of Lucien, Napoleon's brother. Prince Pierre led a highly disreputable life in Rome, from where he was finally expelled, and in South America, where he was twice tried for murder. He was disinherited and ceased to be a dynast of the Bonaparte family. He married a Justine Ruffin. Prince Roland made a glittering match by marrying Marie Blanc, daughter of the fabulously wealthy property developer and director of the Monte Carlo casino.

The Imperial House of Bonaparte today descend from Napoleon's youngest brother Jerôme who married Catherine, the daughter of Friedrich I, King of Württemberg. Their son Napoleon married a daughter of the King of Italy, and their son Napoleon Victor married Princess Clementine of Belgium.

In terms of the overall Bonaparte family, Princess Marie's father was the last male of the senior line descending from Lucien, Napoleon's 2nd brother. This may have prompted Marie's claim of being the last "real Bonaparte", although another equally "real Bonaparte" was descended from Napoleon's 4th brother. It's a curious distinction for her to have made, although well in keeping with her character.
 
charlottestreasures said:
I have just finished a group of books about Josephine Bonaparte, The family of Napoleon Bonaparte, a book on his second wife Marie Louise and one on Hortense Queen of Holland..

Hortense had only one child that lived that was Napoleon lll and he had only one child that died young fighting in the Zulu War in Africa.
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http://nl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hortense_de_Beauharnais

Did not the lovely Hortence had an illegitimate son too?
 
Yes, Hortense had an illegitimate son of Charles Joseph, comte de Flahaut. His name was Charles Auguste Louis Joseph de Morny.

NEW:
IGENEA searches in collaboration with FTDNA, the DNA of the descendants of all Napoleon Bonapartes.

Napoleon I. officially is said to be exhumed in order to finally resolve the question of his cause of death (Thread in French).
 
The descendants of Npoleon III

I would like to know more about the descendants of Napoleon III.As I've read he had 2 illegitimate sons raised by his former lover Miss Howard .He had only a son with his wife Eugenie de Monticho ,didn't he?
But their son,if I remember right,died young in a war without leaving any descendants
 
He had only one legitimate son, Eugene, by his wife Empress Eugenie; Eugene died aged 23 in 1879 in Africa, fighting in the Anglo-Zulu War.

Among his illegitimate children were:
- Bonaventur Karrer (1839–1921), from Maria Anna Schiess;
- Eugène-Alexandre Bure, count of Orx, from Éléonore Vergeot;
- Louis-Ernest Bure, count of Labenne, from Éléonore Vergeot too;
- Martin Harriet Bonaparte, comte de Béchevet, from Harriet Howard, countess of Beauregard;
- Jules Hadot, from Valentine Haussmann.
 
Bonaparte dynasty had also noble ancestors...they were even descendants from many royal/noble families...here is the line from Charles "the Bold",Holy Roman Emperor to Napoleon I Bonaparte:



Emperor Charles "the Bald" of Holy Roman Empire,lived from 823-877
I
Princess Rothilde of France,died in 927
I
Count Hugues I de Maine,lived from 890-955
I
Count Hugues II de Maine,died in 977
I
Count Hugues III de Maine,died in 1015
I
Count Herbert I Eveille-Chien de Maine,died in 1036
I
Countess Garsende de Maine
I
Margrave Folco I d'Este,died in 1128
I
Margrave Obizzo I d'Este,died in 1193
I
Margrave Azzo V d'Este,died also in 1193
I
Margrave Azzo VI d'Este,died in 1212
I
Margrave Azzo VII d'Este,lived from 1205-1264
I
Cubitosa d'Este
I
Gabriele Malaspina, Marchese di Verrucola,died in 1289
I
Isnardo Malaspina, Marchese di Verrucola
I
Niccolò Malaspina, Marchese di Verrucola,died in 1416
I
Apollonia Malaspina
I
Giovanni Buonaparte,Nobile di Sarzana,died in 1501
I
Francesco "il Mauro" Buonaparte, Nobile di Sarzana,died around 1540
I
Nobile Gabriele Buonaparte,lived from 1485-1582
I
Nobile Geronimo Buonaparte,lived from 1520-1594
I
Nobile Francesco Buonaparte,lived from 1570-1633
I
Nobile Sebastiano Buonaparte,lived from 1603-1643
I
Nobile Carlo Maria Buonaparte,lived from 1637-1692
I
Nobile Giuseppe Maria Buonaparte,lived from 1663-1703
I
Nobile Sebastiano Nicola Buonaparte,lived from 1683-1720
I
Nobile Giuseppe Maria Buonaparte,lived from 1713-1763
I
Carlo Maria Buonaparte,Nobile di Toscana,lived from 1746-1785
I
Emperor Napoleon Bonaparte of the French,lived from 1769-1821
 
The Bonaparte family still exists except they married into royalty many times and more recently into either the royal family of Monaco, lietchenstein or Belgium. So in the future a decendents of the bonaparts will be on the throne once more.
 
The house of Bonaparte may no longer be ruling France but their decendents live on through other royalty like the known house of two sicilies who has a gr gr gr gr grand nephew of Nepoleon Bonaparte married to one of their princesses and is the head of the house of Bonaparte.

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The house of Bonaparte exists through the house of two sicilies where a gr gr gr gr gr (gr?)grandnephew of Nepoleon Bonaparte married one of it's princesses.
 
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Grandduchess24 said:
The Bonaparte family still exists except they married into royalty many times and more recently into either the royal family of Monaco, lietchenstein or Belgium. So in the future a decendents of the bonaparts will be on the throne once more.
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There has not been any marriage between any Bonaparte and members of the Princely Families of Monaco and Liechtenstein; and as for Belgium, Princess Clementine (daughter of King Leopold II) married in 1910 to Prince Victor Napoleon, and the had two children; but their children and their descendants aren't in the line of succession to the Belgian Throne, since at the time the succession was still ruled by Salic law.

Grandduchess24 said:
The house of Bonaparte may no longer be ruling France but their decendents live on through other royalty like the known house of two sicilies who has a gr gr gr gr grand nephew of Nepoleon Bonaparte married to one of their princesses and is the head of the house of Bonaparte.
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The two Princes are Prince Charles Napoleon (son of the late Prince Louis Napoleon) and Princess Beatrice of Bourbon-Two Sicilies (daughter of the late Duke of Castro); they got married in 1978, and had two children before divorcing in 1989. Their son is, according to the will of the late Prince Louis Napoleon, the current Head of the Family (skipping Prince Charles).
 
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a great site is thepeerage.com it lists a whole lot.... i was able to trace myself back to josephine tascher, napoleon's 1st wife... the site is very easy to use and in most cases has pictures.
 
i have a friend who is descended from Napoleon's cousin on Sicily. Her family moved to Italy and started an olive oil producing firm which still exists. She was interested in this because she has Porphyria, as Napoleon Bonaparte did. Napoleon is often shown holding his side under his coat. This is exactly the way my father held his side, and he had Porphyria too. My mother told me, after my father's death, that he had rubbed holes in all of his shirts from pressing against the pain in his side. We always laughed (although we should not have) when we said that my father was like Napoleon, holding his side. My father was never diagnosed, but I was. If he had been diagnosed, he could have learned to avoid some triggers which can start a porphyria cycle or attack; same goes for Napoleon. I have not studied him as much as I have studied the Stewart and Hanover families, but this is my little contribution to the story of Napoleon.
 
Does the Bonaparte family still have relatives in Corsica ?
 
Newest Information:

Napoleon III. was not related by blood to Napoleon I.!!
The Y-DNA of N I. Haplogroup is E1b1b1c1. The Y-DNA of N III. Haplogroup is I (M170). There are only two illegitimate families in France and in Germany. The question now...who is the father of N III.?

Published by
Jacques Macé, Administrator Foundation Napoléon; (in french)

Forum "l'Enigme des Invalides"; by B. Roy-Henry, Historian; (in french)

Homepage "Descendant of Napoleon III.", the line "Bonaventur"; (in german)

Discussions about Haplogroup and fatherhood:
Eupedia 1 and Eupedia 2, (in english)

in Wikipedia/Talk-NIII-Fatherhood
http://www.eupedia.com/forum/thread...o-Napoleon-I-and-may-be-Talleyrand-s-grandson
 
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