The Bonaparte Dynasty

[Danielane]

Here's the post for genealogical discussions about the Bonaparte family. It includes the descendants of all the Bonaparte siblings, their ancestors and the descendants of Joséphine de Beauharnais, first wife of Napoleon, which descendants were many to marry into the Gotha.
Please feel free to ask any questions or add details and datas.

Danielane, Royal Genealogy Moderator

[magnik]

Few genealogy links.

About Bonaparte or Buonaparte family
http://geneweb.inria.fr/roglo?lang=en;m=N;v=buonaparte
http://pages.prodigy.net/ptheroff/gotha/bonaparte.html
http://genroy.free.fr/bonaparte.html .


About family de Beauharnais and more here http://www.lexilogos.com/histoire_beauharnais.htm
and here http://geneweb.inria.fr/roglo?lang=e...de+beauharnais .

About Josephine:
her family Tascher de La Pagerie came http://geneweb.inria.fr/roglo?lang=en;m=N;v=de+tascher (and go to Genealogie) http://www.tascher-de-la-pagerie.org...p?menu=accueil from de Tascher de La Pagerie family http://geneweb.inria.fr/roglo?lang=e...+de+la+pagerie and they from de Tascher family
http://geneweb.inria.fr/roglo?lang=en;m=N;v=de+tascher .

[Toledo]

House Bonaparte Genealogy in a PDF Chart.
Now, a must-have must-print for all fans of genealogy. Is from a site that gathers all the royal houses family trees of past and present.
House Bonaparte Genealogy 1799 to 2004

And in case you want the rest: all the French family trees, both Royal and Imperial from the year 400 to 2004

Here is another link: Genealogie de la Maison Bonaparte

[Toledo]

Originally Posted by Furienna

So Napoleon still has descendants? WOW!

I'll update this post later with the links on Napoleon's other kids. He did leave several children from his extra marital affairs much like Napoleon III did, they were given titles and use the mother's name but both Emperors did leave direct descendants to this day. But that link is in my other PC and I'll update this message later on from it. It's a great site that lists the legal and not so legal Royal and Imperial offsprings.


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Monday, July 5th updated link for Furienna:
here is the link on all Bonapartes http://genroy.free.fr/bonaparte.html
It list the legitimate lines as well as the lesser known children of Napoleon I and Napoleon III. There is another site with the photos of some of these children as adults, Napoleon III's other children inherited his looks while the official heir by Empress Eugene looks more like his mother than his father.

[magnik]

Originally Posted by ibf

Does anyone know how many kids Empress Eugenie had? Some websites I go to on the internet say that she only had one son and then others talk about Eugenie and her children. Who were her other children?

She had only one son with Napoleon III
= Eugene-Louis, prince imperial des Francais (1856-79).
Btw. Eugenie had about six god-children: Marie-Louise Delmas de Grammont, Ines de Bourgoing, Napoleon Wells de La Valette, Bartholobi girl, Victoria Eugenie "Ena"von Battenberg and Clotilde Napoleon, princesse Napoleon.

http://geneweb.inria.fr/roglo?lang=en;i=10446

[cesar]

He did leave several children from his extra marital affairs much like Napoleon III did, they were given titles and use the mother's name but both Emperors did leave direct descendants to this day.

I think the question of the First Emperor offsprings is very important for the aspirations of us Bonapartists, personally i feel that since the Death of L'Aiglon at Schonbrum, the House of Bonaparte must realized that they are nominating descendency of Napoleon's brother's, I am a bonapartist and for me the issue of the Emperor descedancy is critical to evaluate our posibilities of restoring Imperial France.

[Toledo]

If memory serves me well, the Bourbons took over the Capet legacy when the King of Navarra married a Valois princess and dethroned the last Valois. Right? So dynastic name change goes hand in hand with continuity thought the mother's side.

I don't know, I just have a problem with these rules that name inheritance is considered less when is passed through a woman. That is too chauvinistic for me to accept in this era. Even in other advanced cultures like the ancient Maya Kingdoms, a woman's DNA outranked the men's.

[Danielane]

Originally Posted by Toledo

If memory serves me well, the Bourbons took over the Capet legacy when the King of Navarra married a Valois princess and dethroned the last Valois. Right? So dynastic name change goes hand in hand with continuity thought the mother's side.

The grandson of Antoine de Bourbon and the Valois Princess took the French Throne: it was king Henri IV (who was king of Navarre by her mother). But he was a Bourbon, and the Bourbon are direct descendants (by the males) of saint Louis (king Louis IX of France) and his son Robert de Clermont. Don't know if it's clear, but the Bourbons are direct Capetians.

[Toledo]

Thanks! So they were cousins after all.

[Avalon]

Originally Posted by Toledo

If memory serves me well, the Bourbons took over the Capet legacy when the King of Navarra married a Valois princess and dethroned the last Valois. Right? So dynastic name change goes hand in hand with continuity thought the mother's side.

King Henry of Navarre (later King Henry IV of France and Navarre) married sister of King Charles IX Valois (and daughter of Henry II and Catherine de Medici) Marguerite de Valois . After the death of all of her borthers Marguerite was the eldest surviving daughter of King Henry II, however she was not the heir (due to much talked Salic law). Henry IV was a direct descendant, as Danielane has pointed, of Saint Louis, so he was the rightful heir himself. Of course, marriage to the King Henry II's daughter and Kings Charles IX, Henry III sister only made his chances more preferable but he was the heir all by himself. He had to fight (literally) for his Throne though. His main opponent for a time was Duke Henry de Guise, who had an immense support among the people (he was a devoted Catholic, his brother was a Cardinal, while Henry of Navarre was a Protestant, though he did convert at the end).
Personally I see one of the reasons Heny was married to Queen Margot for so long, was the fact she was sister and daughter of the Kings. As I said, it made his chances preferable. It's only my opinion though.

[Toledo]

I just found this section I've never seen before of a site about the Bonapartes-Napoleons* and the surnames associated with their genealogical tree. To make it simple, as the site states: This site contains 1109 individuals and 413 unique surnames

The Genealogy of the Bonaparte and their surnames

* from what I understand, the last name was changed from Bonaparte to Napoleon by Victor, Prince NAPOLEON (Paris 18/7/1862 - + Bruxelles 3/5/1926). Reminds me of Julius Caesar, whose name became a title (Caesar, Kaiser, Kzar/Czar/Zar, etc)

Enjoy the reading!

Bonus link found in another section of that site: http://www.napoleonseries.org/genealogy/

[PrincessKoreen]

Originally Posted by cesar

I think the question of the First Emperor offsprings is very important for the aspirations of us Bonapartists, personally i feel that since the Death of L'Aiglon at Schonbrum, the House of Bonaparte must realized that they are nominating descendency of Napoleon's brother's, I am a bonapartist and for me the issue of the Emperor descedancy is critical to evaluate our posibilities of restoring Imperial France.

Something interesting: when I was on a tour of St. James' Palace, one of the officials gave me a family tree linking Emperor Napoleon I in tail-male line to Charles II of England. Has anyone else heard of this?

[PrincessKoreen]

Originally Posted by Avalon

King Henry of Navarre (later King Henry IV of France and Navarre) married sister of King Charles IX Valois (and daughter of Henry II and Catherine de Medici) Marguerite de Valois . After the death of all of her borthers Marguerite was the eldest surviving daughter of King Henry II, however she was not the heir (due to much talked Salic law). Henry IV was a direct descendant, as Danielane has pointed, of Saint Louis, so he was the rightful heir himself. Of course, marriage to the King Henry II's daughter and Kings Charles IX, Henry III sister only made his chances more preferable but he was the heir all by himself. He had to fight (literally) for his Throne though. His main opponent for a time was Duke Henry de Guise, who had an immense support among the people (he was a devoted Catholic, his brother was a Cardinal, while Henry of Navarre was a Protestant, though he did convert at the end).
Personally I see one of the reasons Heny was married to Queen Margot for so long, was the fact she was sister and daughter of the Kings. As I said, it made his chances preferable. It's only my opinion though.

I've always wondered what would have happened in Scotland if the first wife of King James IV, Marguerite de France, daughter of Francois I and Claude de France, daughter of Louis IX and Anne of Brittany, had survived and produced an heir. Then, there would've been no Mary I of Scotland, no de Guise faction in Scotland....hmmm..

[Marengo]

Does anybody know a good link that lists all the decendants of Louis Napoleon and Hortense? Also of Charles de Morny and the illegitemate children of Napoleon III?

[charlottestreasures]

I have just finished a group of books about Josephine Bonaparte, The family of Napoleon Bonaparte, a book on his second wife Marie Louise and one on Hortense Queen of Holland..

Hortense had only one child that lived that was Napoleon lll and he had only one child that died young fighting in the Zulu War in Africa.