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Oh, yes, the Brazilian Imperial House Rules looks very liberal when compared to the Sayn-Witgenstein Rules.
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But in the Sayn-Wittgenstein-Berleburg case it are not House Rules, but rules who are regulated in a Testament.
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03-23-2013, 01:21 PM
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But in the Sayn-Wittgenstein-Berleburg case it are not House Rules, but rules who are regulated in a Testament.
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Doesn't Prince Richards fathers will only deal with the family fortune and not headship?
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03-27-2013, 04:06 PM
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Doesn't Prince Richards fathers will only deal with the family fortune and not headship?
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Yes, but I think Prince Richard and Carina are happy just cohabiting.
He can be the Head of the House, and she can live like a Princess (without the title, of course).
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03-28-2013, 04:13 AM
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What would happen if they want children?I mean,she is not getting younger as the time passes by...
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03-28-2013, 10:00 AM
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Nothing is banning them from having children. Be married is not a requirement to have reproduce.
Of course, their children will no bear titles, and they'll be illegitimate, so no succession.
But Carina is almost 45. I don't think she wants children.
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03-28-2013, 11:54 AM
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Not just that...their children would lose the money their potential father now has,so I don't think they would want children with these kind of consequences...
If Gustav thought otherwise he would marry Corina already and would keep his title,but would lose the money and the Headship...
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03-28-2013, 12:43 PM
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I don't know nothing about German laws of inheritanc but I think his children would have rights to his personal wealth, no matter they are born in wedlock or not.
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03-28-2013, 12:52 PM
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True - but most of the wealth is not personal, but belongs the Head of the House .. so who ever will be the next Head of the House will inherit the bulk.
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03-28-2013, 12:56 PM
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Well, she's 45 years old. The chances of children having problems regarding inheritance are slim.
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03-28-2013, 02:47 PM
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True - but most of the wealth is not personal, but belongs the Head of the House .. so who ever will be the next Head of the House will inherit the bulk.
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Isn't the next heir, Prince Robin, also married unequally but he is not covered by the late Fursts will as he is not a direct heir.
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03-28-2013, 08:21 PM
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I don't know nothing about German laws of inheritanc but I think his children would have rights to his personal wealth, no matter they are born in wedlock or not.
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No, their children wouldn't have rights to his wealth. If Gustav married her, he would loose everything, his wealth and the castle.
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03-28-2013, 08:25 PM
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No, their children wouldn't have rights to his wealth. If Gustav married her, he would loose everything, his wealth and the castle.
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He doesn't have any personal wealth? Nothing that is not inherited?
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03-29-2013, 06:22 AM
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Isn't the next heir, Prince Robin, also married unequally but he is not covered by the late Fursts will as he is not a direct heir.
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It is not known who is affected by the testament as it's content is not known. It is only known that it affects Gustav as the late Fürst specially named his yet unborn grandson as heir.
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03-29-2013, 05:38 PM
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No, their children wouldn't have rights to his wealth. If Gustav married her, he would loose everything, his wealth and the castle.
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They would have the right to his personal wealth,the one that was not part of the testament in question...
But,under those circumstances,they would not have the right to the one inherited from the testament...it would go to another member of the family who has married under the terms of the testament...
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03-30-2013, 12:14 PM
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true.. i guess Gustav is caught between a rock and a hard place.. it seems that he really loves Carina.. anyways, does Gustav really need to marry equally? i mean, a member of a sovereign or mediatised house? iirc, his paternal grandmother Duchess(?) Margareta Fouché d'Otrante was a member of a French/Swedish nobility.. can Gustav marry a someone from the high nobility of princely/ducal families? say a Ligne, Rohan or a Radziwill?
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03-30-2013, 01:49 PM
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Probably that would be allowed according to the testament. She only has to be arian and protestant. Wonder what would have happenedif he had married his fiancee Elvire. She was catholic and not noble.
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03-30-2013, 04:12 PM
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Well,she has some noble blood and connections being a descendant of the Mavrocordato and Pettrocochino families and having some noble cousins such as Counts de la Rochefoucauld,Counts d'Harcourt,Counts de Beaumont,Counts de la Croix and so on...Her aunt is Princess Armande de Polignac...
Her mother Helene comes from a prominent noble family who had been Counts and also Privy Councillors of Grand Duke Leopold II of Tuscany...
Prince Gustav wanted to marry Elvire,but her father wasn't satisfied with the pre-marriage contract-her financial settlement in case of divorce and the marriage had to be called off...
But,her father is not noble,although he has noble sounding surname which his family adopted at some point and she doesn't have German blood,so...hard to tell...
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03-30-2013, 04:16 PM
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According to the will doesn't a bride have to be Aryan, Protestant and have 16 quarterings of noble lines?
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03-30-2013, 05:07 PM
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I don't think nobody knows what exactly is written in it.
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can Gustav marry a someone from the high nobility of princely/ducal families? say a Ligne, Rohan or a Radziwill?
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I think he can,if the bride has at least some German blood/ancestry.
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Margareta Fouché d'Otrante was a member of a French/Swedish nobility..
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Margareta Fouché d'Otrante had a lot of German blood being a descendant of the Grand Duke Ludwig I von Baden and many,many more German noble families from her fathers and from her mothers side of the family.
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03-30-2013, 06:28 PM
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I think he can,if the bride has at least some German blood/ancestry...
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well, if that is the case, can Gustav marry Lady Alexandra Spencer-Churchill, daughter of John Spencer-Churchill, 11th Duke of Marlborough and Countess Dagmar Rosita Douglas being her mother a descendant of Philipp Friedrich Alexander, Prince of Eulenburg and Hertefeld?
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