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Old 05-19-2014, 07:17 PM
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I believe it was the Roman emperor Hadrian who aid that we will all have a shepherd somewhere in our family trees . But considering a large part of Máxima's anscestors are from the Iberian peninsula, a black anscestor a few centuries ago is rather likely.
The problem with ancestors is that they had no idea who their progeny might become, much less that ancestry.com would peg those descendents' race at $89.99 as a Mother's Day special. All it takes is one curious cousin and the DNA comes out to haunt one.
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Old 05-19-2014, 10:38 PM
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Most of the black Argentinean died with the yellow fever and the ones who were alive were moved to Brasil before the slavery abolition in 1813. May be in the last 10 years you can have immigration from Africa, but I lived there for 20 years and I had never seen a black person. Certenly Maxima does not have any African blood.
The issue is not that there is a large distinct black population in Argentina like you might see in Harlem, New York or Bahia in Brazil, the issue is that blacks mixed in with the whites and as a result many "white" Argentines have black ancestry. Maxima is a classic case in point. If someone like Maxima who comes from such a well-to-do and established family has black ancestry, then what of the rest of the population?

By the way, on what do you base your certainty that Maxima doesn't have black ancestry when the most thorough genealogical study on her family tree says that she does? Have you traced her family ancestry?

This is the study that says that Maxima has possible black ancestry:

Ancestry of Maxima Zorreguieta (b. 1971)

compiled by William Addams Reitwiesner

http://www.wargs.com/royal/maxima.html

wargs@wargs.com

Black blood comes in though an ancestor by the name of Juana Maria Aguirre:

583 Juana María Aguirre (posiblemente, ambos cónyuges eran mestizos ó mulatos)
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Old 05-19-2014, 10:49 PM
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I think the chance that Máxima has a black person in her ancestry is greater than the chance that she descends from an Inca Emperor...



But a closer look to the ancestry learns:

In the paternal line :
- her father Jorge Zorreguieta was a landowner, a government minister and president of employers unions
- her grandfather Juan Antonio Zorreguieta was a landowner and a banker
- her great-grandfather Amadeo Zorreguieta was a landowner, a mayor and a government minister
- her great-grandfather Oreste Stefanini was a maritime enterpreneur
- her great-great-grandfather Mariano Zorreguieta was a landowner, a government minister, member and president of the senate
- Etc.

In the maternal line:
- her grandfather Jorge Horacio Cerruti was a landowner, a medical doctor and a surgeon
- her great-grandfather Santiago Cerruti was a landowner, a medical doctor and a surgeon
- her great-grandfather Domingo Carricart was a landowner, a banker and a mayor
- her great-great-grandfather Santiago Cerruti (the Cerruti whom emigrated to Argentina) was a marine enterpreneur
- her great-great-grandfather Bernardo Carricart (the Carricart whom emigrated to Argentina) was a veterinarian doctor
- Etc.

So all by all, Máxima's ancestors seems to have belonged more to the Haves than to the Have-nots in society. Back then Argentine society was very class-conscious, so I doubt a marriage with someone "below the standing" (mayors, bankers, ministers, surgeons) would have been acceptable...

I concur with you that it's highly unlikely that Maxima descends from an Inca emperor, however, she probably does have Inca blood. If you look at her genealogy, she has at least two Peruvian ancestors and while not all Peruvians are indigenous, a very large number of them are, and its likely that if she does have Indian ancestry, it comes in through those two relatives.
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