Oldest Royal and Noble Families

[kcc]

what royal/noble families have the oldest traceable ancesty.also is the massimo descent from an ancient roman general(maximus i believe) genuine.i find this fascinating so any info or input is much appreciated.

i forgot to mention that it does not matter wheather it is male or female line descent.

hi. let me start by saying that i have already asked this question in a different part of this forum,but recieved no reply. what royal/noble families have the oldest traceable lineage. also are the roman descents of the massimo, orsiniand antici-matei(sorry about the spelling)families genuine.thanks in advance.

[bct88]

I believe that the oldest is Denmark. The first king I believe was Gorm the Old in the 900s.

[Prince of Chota]

Originally Posted by bct88

I believe that the oldest is Denmark. The first king I believe was Gorm the Old in the 900s.

I thought Gorm was like 870 or something. Anyway, ninth century.

Denmark is the oldest in Europe. The oldest reigning family in the world is believed to be Japan (House of Yamato). According to tradition it is more than 2600 years old, although most scholars think it is only 1700 or 1800 years old.

Oddly enough actress Tilda Swinton comes from one of the oldest families in Britain (look into the Swinton Baronets).

[Theilmann]

If the question is which is the oldest monarchy, then the answer is obviously Denmark, but as for families... I don't know if any royal/noble families can trace their roots back beyond the 900-hundreds.
Actually Gorm the Old wasn't the first King in the present line, he is just the first where we know for sure which year he was born, ascended the throne and died. There wasn't much of a litteral tradition in Denmark prior to Gorm, so any evidence has to be found either in stones ingraved with runes or in foreign accounts. Unfortunately those accounts only tell us the names of the kings and their lineage, not the dates of their accension,birth,death etc.

[hillary_nugent]

Denmark i heard is the oldest royal family...interesting topic i would love to hear more feedback ^__^

[kcc]

thanks for the replies. i thought of denmark as well,but i think the dynasty has changed a few times (like sweden).anyone know the origins of certain german houses such as bavaria or wurttemberg. oh and the italian families in the first post.

[kcc]

thanks for the replies. i thought of denmark as well,but i think the dynasty has changed a few times (like sweden).anyone know the origins of certain german houses such as bavaria or wurttemberg. oh and the italian families in the first post.

[kcc]

sory about the double post.

[tiaraprin]

the oldest monarchy by far is Denmark but there are other royal families whose lineage goes back farther such as the British Royals--before England was completely unified, there were several Royal witans--or clans each with a ruling prince or King.

[Iain]

[QUOTE=tiaraprin]the oldest monarchy by far is Denmark but there are other royal families whose lineage goes back farther such as the British Royals--before England was completely unified,

The English royal house died out in 1603. The present British royal family is decended from the Scots royal family who trace their origins back to King Fergus Mor who founded the Scots kingdom in AD498. This makes Scotland an older kingdom than Denmark.

[norwegianne]

[QUOTE=Iain]

Originally Posted by tiaraprin

the oldest monarchy by far is Denmark but there are other royal families whose lineage goes back farther such as the British Royals--before England was completely unified,

The English royal house died out in 1603. The present British royal family is decended from the Scots royal family who trace their origins back to King Fergus Mor who founded the Scots kingdom in AD498. This makes Scotland an older kingdom than Denmark.

Aye, but James, who ascended the throne after Elizabeth was a relative of hers. (His grandmother, wasn't it, who was a sister of Henry VIII?)

I suspect it all comes down to your criterias, who you ask and how your pose your questions, in matters such as these.

[hillary_nugent]

Originally Posted by Iain

The English royal house died out in 1603. The present British royal family is decended from the Scots royal family who trace their origins back to King Fergus Mor who founded the Scots kingdom in AD498. This makes Scotland an older kingdom than Denmark.

So Queen Elizabeth II in actual fact Scottish? did the English royal family end with Queen Elizabeth I???

[Julian]

Originally Posted by hillary_nugent

So Queen Elizabeth II in actual fact Scottish? did the English royal family end with Queen Elizabeth I???

To answer that--no, it didn't end completely with Elizabeth I, because James I who followed her was her heir because his grandmother, Margaret, was the sister of Henry VIII. She was a Tudor who married a Stuart. The most Scottish blood that the present Queen has may come through her own mother's family not the tiny amount she indirectly inherits so many generations back from James I.

[Iain]

I believe that the oldest reigning dynasty is the House of Tupou, the royal family of Tonga.

[kcc]

thank you for your reply. i never would have thought to consider polynesian royalty.now i have at least a couple of hours of research,which i greatly enjoy.

[Philippos]

Originally posted by Iain@Jun 5th, 2004 - 11:11 pm
I believe that the oldest reigning dynasty is the House of Tupou, the royal family of Tonga.

How long can one trace The Royal House's of Tonga male ancestry?

[tiaraprin]

Other long traceable royal geneologies are the English, Danish, and French Royal Families.

The English can extend back to the time of Boadicea I believe.

[Iain]

Originally posted by Philippos@Jun 12th, 2004 - 10:56 am

How long can one trace The Royal House's of Tonga male ancestry?

The first King reigned c.950. The present King is the 43rd monarch and traces his decent in unbroken line back to the first King.

[Iain]

Originally posted by tiaraprin@Jun 13th, 2004 - 11:11 pm
Other long traceable royal geneologies are the English, Danish, and French Royal Families.

The English can extend back to the time of Boadicea I believe.

The English Royal family died out in 1603.

[Vasaborg]

Originally Posted by Iain

The English Royal family died out in 1603.

I always thought that the English Royal family died out in c 1125 when Edgar grandson of King Edmund II of England died. The Royal families that followed were not Anglo-Saxon.