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Here are 60 of the oldest royal/noble families in Europe.. not a complete list though as i'm very much sure there are still who are older..
  1. House of Bagrationi (545)
  2. Houe of Welf (800)
  3. House of Wettin (900)
  4. House of La Tour d'Auvergne (950)
  5. House of La Rochefoucauld (952)
  6. House of Zähringen (962)
  7. House of Isenburg (963)
  8. House of Salm (963)
  9. House of Habsburg (985)
  10. House of Capet (987)
  11. House of Oettingen (987)
  12. House of Bethune (1000)
  13. House of Savoy (1003)
  14. House of Beaufort-Spontin (1005)
  15. House of Reuss (1010)
  16. House of Ascania (1036)
  17. House of Dadiani (1046)
  18. House of Ortenburg (1048)
  19. House of La Tremoille (1050)
  20. House of Sayn (1052)
  21. House of Fürstenberg (1070)
  22. House of Clermont-Tonnerre (1080)
  23. House of Leiningen (1080)
  24. House of Württemberg (1081)
  25. House of Rohan (1084)
  26. House of Percy (1096)
  27. House of Colonna (1099)
  28. House of Hohenzollern (1100)
  29. House of Orsini (1110)
  30. House of Doria-Pamphilj (1110)
  31. House of Lippe (1123)
  32. House of Mecklenburg (1131)
  33. House of Colleredo-Mannsfeld (1031)
  34. House of Hatzfeld (1138)
  35. House of Montmorency (1138)
  36. House of Dohna (1143)
  37. House of Eltz (1157)
  38. House of Grimaldi (1160)
  39. House of Schwarzberg (1160)
  40. House of Caraman-Chimay (1178)
  41. House of Wittelsbach (1180)
  42. House of Thun and Hohenstein (1187)
  43. House of Putbus (1193)
  44. House of Harrach (1195)
  45. House of Waldeck and Pyrmont (1230)
  46. House of Kinsky (1237)
  47. House of Tagle (1237)
  48. House of Windisch-Graetz (1242)
  49. House of Hamilton (1245)
  50. House of Campbell (1260)
  51. House of Hesse (1264)
  52. House of Borghese (1266)
  53. House of Ruspoli (1266)
  54. House of Mérode (1278)
  55. House of Borommeo (1300)
  56. House of Barbiano di Belgiojoso (1320)
  57. House of Lannoy (1329)
  58. House of Czartoryski (1330)
  59. House of Medinaceli (1331)
  60. House of Spencer (1333)
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The House of Cavendish (the family of the Dukes of Devonshire) was started by a man called Roger de Gernon, who married the daughter of John Potton of Cavendish and took the surname Cavendish in 1324. But, he has known ancestors dating back to the Battle of Hastings in 1066.
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very strange list
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One could say so,but on the other hand they are much older:

The House of Hessen belongs to the House of Brabant and it it its cadet line who can trace their ancestry from Counts of Meeesgau and Lommegau first mentioned in 830...

The House of Czartoryski belongs to the House of Rurik that can trace its ancestry back from King Rurik of Novgorod and Ladoga who ruled 862-879...

The House of Borromeo can trace their ancestry from Giovanni dei Vitalini called "il Prodigo"who lived at the beginning of 10th century...

The House of Merode can trace their ancestry from Warnerus de Kerpen,who is first mentioned in 1065 as Reichs-ministerialis...they later got the name of Merode because their originated from Rode near Düren in Rheinland...

The House of Ruspoli derived from Marescotti dei Bologna family that lived in 9th century...

The House of Windisch-Graetz was first mentioned in 1218 with Ritter(Knight) Wernhardus de Graeze...

The House of Waldeck descends from the Count Wittekind I von Schwallenberg,who died in 1136 and whose male grandson was first Count von Waldeck,Wittekind III who was killed in the Crusade wars in 1189...

The House of Kinsky can trace it's ancestry from 1150,although the were registered in 1237...

The House of Schwarzburg trace it's ancestry from Siger I,Count von Käfernburg who lived before 1000 and whose great-great grandson Sizzo III was first Count von Schwarzburg...

The House of Wittelsbach descended from Liutpold who died in 846...

The House of Grimaldi descends from Otto Canella,who was first mentioned as Cosul in Genova in 1133...
NOTE: This only applies to the Counts Grimaldi di Busca as the Grimaldi's of Monaco died out in 18th century...Today,Grimaldi's of Monaco belong to the House of Polignac,who is even older and can trace it's ancestry from the Viscount Armand I who lived in 860...

The House of Eltz is even older and can trace it's ancestry from Ritter Eberhardus de Eltz,who lived in 690 and was Patrician of the Town of Trier...The complete Eltz genealogy begins in 938...

The House of Dohna can trace it's ancestry from Heinrich von Rotau,first mentioned in 1127 and he was the father of the Heinrich,first Buggraf von Dohna...

The House of Lippe can trace it's ancestry first from Count Benhard von Werl,who died in 982.

The House of Rohan can trace it's ancestry first from Viscount Guethenoc de Chateau-en-Porhoet who was first mentioned in 1008...

The House of Fuerstenberg can trace it's ancestry from Count Egon I vo Urach,who died in 1050...

The House of Sayn belong to the House of Sponheim and can trace it's ancestry from Count Siegfried I who was Markraf of Hungarian Mark from 1045-1048...The House of Ortenburg belongs to the same House of Sponheim...

and so on to the older ones...
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  1. House of Borommeo (1300)
  2. House of Barbiano di Belgiojoso (1320)
  3. House of Lannoy (1329)
  4. House of Czartoryski (1330)
  5. House of Medinaceli (1331)
  6. House of Spencer (1333)
What is most interesting is that the family of Princess Michael of Kent,the Reibnitz family is older then the Spencer family..

Common ancestor of the House of Reibnitz was Ritter Henricus de Rybnicz,first mentioned in 1288...
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The noble Sforzas of Milan have no direct living descendants that I know of, and I know someone whose research field this is.

de Medicis are a different story.
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The noble Sforzas of Milan have no direct living descendants that I know of, and I know someone whose research field this is.
Sforza family still exist as a legitimate branch of the family...

The first Duke of Milan,Francesco was illegitimate child of Muzio Atendolo Sforza,Count of Cotignola and his mistress Lucia Terzani di Marsciano...His descendants were Dukes of Milan,who were extinct in male line...

Francesco's younger half-brother Bosio,souvereign Count of Santa Fiora,who was in fact the eldest legitimate child of Muzio Atendolo Sforza,Count of Cotignola and his first wife Antonia Salimbieni di Siena and was ancestor of still existent line of the family who are Dukes of Sforza-Cesarini...

The present Head of the family is Bosio Lorenzo Francesco Maria Caterina, Duca di Sforza-Cesarini, 12.Principe di Genzano, Duca di Segni, Duca di Civitalavinia, Duca di Ginestra, Duca di Torricella who married in 1963 Lydia Lo Savio...
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de Medicis are a different story.
True,several Medici lines still exist,Princes Medici di Ottajano still exist along with Medici di Tornaquinci,who were Marchese della Castellina and Veronese Medici Counts of Carpara and Gavardo...

The Houses of Gonzaga(Princes Gonzaga di Vescovato) and d'Este(House of Hannover) still exist...as well as the House of Visconti still exist(today as Dukes Visconti di Modrone) who are descendants of Umberto "Pico",brother of Matteo I,first ruler of Milan...

The Present Head of the Visconti family is Barnabo,8.Duca di Visconti-Modrone,4.Duca di Grazzano-Visconti born in 1930...

Not to speak about House of Grimaldi,which has only one line left and they are Italian based Counts of Poggetto,while the family that rules in Monaco are not Grimaldi,as Grimaldis of Monaco died out in 18th century with Princess Louise Hypolite when she married into Goyon de Matignon family,which ruled in Monaco until the House of Polignac which rules today...
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Sri Lanka

Sanghamittā (Sanghmitra in Sanskrit) was the grand daughter of Emperor Bindusara and daughter of Emperor Ashoka and his wife, Empress Devi. Together with Mahinda, her brother, she entered an order of Buddhist monks. The two siblings later went to Sri Lanka to spread the teachings of Buddha at the request of King Devanampiya Tissa (250 BC – 210 BC) who was a contemporary of Ashoka (304 BC – 232 BC). At first she landed in 'Mathagal'. The village Mathagal is situated 16 km away from Jaffna (யாழ்ப்பாணம்) town, in the north of Sri Lanka, along the shores of the Indian Ocean. Buddhist Emperor Samrat Ashoka sent her to Sri Lanka together with several other nuns to start the nun-lineage of Bhikkhunis (a fully ordained female Buddhist monastic) at the request of King Tissa to ordain queen Anulā and other women of Tissa's court at Anuradhapura who desired to be ordained as nuns after Mahindra converted them to Buddhism
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Hello:

where can one find a list of the successive leaders of this order?
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To the best of my knowledge these accountings are found from reading of the veddic Buddhist writings off Sri Lanka. The quote was from "What the Buddha Said in Plain English". I'm not sure of the author. GMc
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Most royal families have had some sort of links in Europe. May be the same in the Middle East. Should there be DNA profiling to identify the full genealogy?
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My family was not one of the royals, however, the Traill family can be traced back from America and Scottland through Bishop William Trail in Blebo and Sir John de Trailli of Yeldon and Bordeaux back to Geoffrey (may include the name Gotfroid) de Trailli who was listed in the Doomsday book in 1086 as having come from France. He is supposed to have been a descendant of Mordac of Verdun (a viking raider). The earliest mention of the Traill family seems to be in the 900's. The Traill family has spread to Scottland, Ireland, Americana and South America. The Argentine Polo Open beginning 1904 was won by 3 Traill brothers and a cousin. Members of the Traill family participated in at least 6 victories in the Argentine Open including 1908 where it was again 3 Traill brothers and a Traill cousin who won, a family affair. There are references to the Trail/l family in documents all through the history of England beginning in Yelden (Yielden) 1066 with the Domesday book and the motte and bailey castle. The remains of the castle are still there. The record continues through Sir John de Traille, on to twenty first century where they are all over the world.
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To answer that--no, it didn't end completely with Elizabeth I, because James I who followed her was her heir because his grandmother, Margaret, was the sister of Henry VIII.

Actually, Margaret was James the I's great-grandmother who was a sister of Henry VIII.
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I am from the United States, and I am doing and Ancestry trip next month to Hungary. My great grandfather always said he worked for a Prince and he was from Hatzfeld, Hungary (his naturalization paperwork said Jugoslavia) and was born in 1870. The story is, the Prince sent him to the United States in 1906 to learn the customs and the language. Which Prince would he have worked for?
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I am from the United States, and I am doing and Ancestry trip next month to Hungary. My great grandfather always said he worked for a Prince and he was from Hatzfeld, Hungary (his naturalization paperwork said Jugoslavia) and was born in 1870. The story is, the Prince sent him to the United States in 1906 to learn the customs and the language. Which Prince would he have worked for?
Well,this Hatzfeld is known as Jimbolia today and it now belongs to Romania...

It formerly belonged to Yugoslavia,but only from 1918 to 1924 because under the marriage treaty between Yugoslavian King Alexander I and Romanian Princess Marie it was later incorporated in Romania...

Any more informations about this Prince?

You had Hungarian Counts "Csekonics de Zsombolya et Janova" and "Zsombolya" is the Hungarian name for Jimbolia or Hatzfeld as you say...

This was their Castle in Hatzfeld,so it could be that these Counts sent your grandfather to the United States in 1906 to learn the customs and the language...

And many people do make mistakes when they use someones title...for some people,it's the same if someone is actually a Baron,Count or Prince...

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Here are 60 of the oldest royal/noble families in Europe.. not a complete list though as i'm very much sure there are still who are older..
  1. House of Bagrationi (545)
  2. Houe of Welf (800)
  3. House of Wettin (900)
  4. House of La Tour d'Auvergne (950)
  5. House of La Rochefoucauld (952)
  6. House of Zähringen (962)
  7. House of Isenburg (963)
  8. House of Salm (963)
  9. House of Habsburg (985)
  10. House of Capet (987)
  11. House of Oettingen (987)
  12. House of Bethune (1000)
  13. House of Savoy (1003)
  14. House of Beaufort-Spontin (1005)
  15. House of Reuss (1010)
  16. House of Ascania (1036)
  17. House of Dadiani (1046)
  18. House of Ortenburg (1048)
  19. House of La Tremoille (1050)
  20. House of Sayn (1052)
  21. House of Fürstenberg (1070)
  22. House of Clermont-Tonnerre (1080)
  23. House of Leiningen (1080)
  24. House of Württemberg (1081)
  25. House of Rohan (1084)
  26. House of Percy (1096)
  27. House of Colonna (1099)
  28. House of Hohenzollern (1100)
  29. House of Orsini (1110)
  30. House of Doria-Pamphilj (1110)
  31. House of Lippe (1123)
  32. House of Mecklenburg (1131)
  33. House of Colleredo-Mannsfeld (1031)
  34. House of Hatzfeld (1138)
  35. House of Montmorency (1138)
  36. House of Dohna (1143)
  37. House of Eltz (1157)
  38. House of Grimaldi (1160)
  39. House of Schwarzberg (1160)
  40. House of Caraman-Chimay (1178)
  41. House of Wittelsbach (1180)
  42. House of Thun and Hohenstein (1187)
  43. House of Putbus (1193)
  44. House of Harrach (1195)
  45. House of Waldeck and Pyrmont (1230)
  46. House of Kinsky (1237)
  47. House of Tagle (1237)
  48. House of Windisch-Graetz (1242)
  49. House of Hamilton (1245)
  50. House of Campbell (1260)
  51. House of Hesse (1264)
  52. House of Borghese (1266)
  53. House of Ruspoli (1266)
  54. House of Mérode (1278)
  55. House of Borommeo (1300)
  56. House of Barbiano di Belgiojoso (1320)
  57. House of Lannoy (1329)
  58. House of Czartoryski (1330)
  59. House of Medinaceli (1331)
  60. House of Spencer (1333)
In Germany,even some untitled noble families are older than many families mentioned in this list...For example,the von Lattorff family,to which Princess Tatjana von und zu Liechtenstein has been married into was first mentioned in 1144 due to Ritter Conradus de Lattorff...
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