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Old 12-13-2015, 01:26 PM
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And if there are any royals with haeomophilia: no problem. Unlike in Victorian Era, today with appropriate treatment the quality of life as well the lifespan are pretty normal.
I don't think it's possible for any reigning house to develop Victoria-related haemophilia at this point unless they marry other descendants of Victoria. Well, at least not in the main-lines - it's possible for the descendants of Prince Guillaume and Princess Sibilla to develop it, as her grandmother was a known carrier.

Presently, Harald V, Elizabeth II, the Duke of Edinburgh, Margrethe II, Felipe VI, and Carl XVI Gustaf are all descended from Victoria, but each one has at least 1 non-haemophiliac man in the line of descent between them and Victoria (or in the case of the DoE, is a non-haemophiliac man).
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Elizabeth descends through Edward. VII who wasn't a hemophiliac so he can't pass it down. Alexandra, Mary and Elizabeth Bowes Lyon aren't descendants of Victoria.

Philip's Great Grandmother Princess Alice the 2nd daughter of Victoria was a carrier. She passed down to 3 children but not Victoria who is the grandmother of Philip. Her sons George and Louis didn't have hemophilia and neither does Philip so his mother wasn't a carrier. So the current British royals isn't at risk from hemophilia even though Elizabeth and Philip both descend from Victoria.


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We know Alice was a carrier because one of her sons was a haemophiliac, and we know her daughters Irene and Alix were carriers because some of their sons were haemophiliacs - and we know that one of Alix's daughters was a carrier, because testing was done on the remains of all their children showing that one, thought to be Maria, was a carrier.

We don't actually know that Alice's other daughters weren't carriers - Elisabeth and Marie had no children, while Victoria theoretically could have been a carrier and simply not passed it on to her sons. Of her daughters, Louise only had a stillborn child, and Alice only had one son (the DoE). It's statistically unlikely, but still possible.
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Alice had 4 daughters plus Philip and there isn't hemophilia in the children of the daughters of Alice. So she like her mother Victoria were probably non carriers.


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Which is why I said it was statistically unlikely.
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Old 12-16-2015, 04:47 AM
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We know Alice was a carrier because one of her sons was a haemophiliac, and we know her daughters Irene and Alix were carriers because some of their sons were haemophiliacs - and we know that one of Alix's daughters was a carrier, because testing was done on the remains of all their children showing that one, thought to be Maria, was a carrier.
We all know now that Alexei had haemophilia, but I know I read that one of his sisters showed signs of the disease as well, since she bled more than she should have during what was a simple surgery. I don't remember which sister it was, but maybe it was Maria?
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Yes, the doctors apparently became a bit panicky when Maria's bleeding wouldn't stop during minor dental surgery. However, Maria must have suffered from a very mild form of haemophilia, if at all, as otherwise she would have bled extensively when she commenced menses.
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Maria is believed to have been a symptomatic carrier. She wouldn't have been an actual haemophiliac, but she did have some of the symptoms of it, including lower than normal blood clotting. When they tested the remains of the family in 2009 it was discovered that Alexei had haemophilia B (which is the only way we know what type of haemophilia the descendants of Victoria had; none of the others were ever tested), and that Alix and one of the daughters was a carrier. There's dispute as to which daughter; the Russians have said it was Anastasia, the Americans Maria.
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Alice's daughter Irene married Prince Henry of Prussia. They had 2 hemophiliac sons but no daughters. One of Irene's sons died at age 4.
I'm living in the near of the mausoleum which entombs his body. Do anyone want to see it? I made photos of it with my smartphone. Also his parents are there.
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That would be very interesting. Thank you, Jotti. That son's death was awful, getting down clumsily from a table top where he'd been messing about as four year olds do.
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That would be very interesting. Thank you, Jotti. That son's death was awful, getting down clumsily from a table top where he'd been messing about as four year olds do.
Here they are
the child's grave is the one in front of the windows. There is also a YouTube video of the mausoleum taken by a drone:
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How sad...

Also, it is not long ago that I realized that Prince Leopold (as in the one of Queen Victoria's sons, who had the disease) was one of our current king's great grandfathers. But the link from Leopold to Carl XVI Gustaf goes through Leo's son, Charles Edward. And since a son can't inherit the disease from his father, it has luckily never come to our royal family. Charles Edward's sister Alice was a carrier though and had at least one son who was a sufferer.
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Interesting, and sad. I wonder who looks after the mausoleum, keeps it dust and cobweb-free? It doesn't look as if any flowers are ever left and the building appears to be in a rather lonely spot.
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a while ago there was a commemoration at this mausoleum. There were also a picture of the guests but it's no longer online. I was wondering why they stood in front of the parents grave and laid down flowers for them. It seems to me that they had no interest for the childs grave. They didn't put any flowers down there.
Could be that the photo I saw was taken early in the moment. Maybe they reveres the child later. Who knows. I really can't say.
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