France: Capet, Valois, Bourbon and Orléans Royal Dynasties

[Teresa]

Originally posted by Sean.~@Jul 5th, 2003 - 6:07 pm
...Born Princess Isabelle of Orleans Braganca in 1911, ...

Anyone knows how is she related to the portuguese house of Bragança?

[Helena]

she was a member of the brazilian imperial family look at http://pages.prodigy.net/ptheroff/gotha/brazil.html for more detalis...

[Sean.~]

Originally posted by ILOVEABBA@Nov 2nd, 2003 - 1:07 pm
TRH Prince Charles Louis and Princess Illena on their wedding day. The couple have four children. Princess Illena is of Greek Descent, nee Illena Manos.

She is related to Aspasia Manos aka Princess Aspasia of Greece, who was the wife of Alexander I of Greece and mother of Queen Alexandra of Yugoslavia (mother of the current pretender).

S.

[Sean.~]

Originally posted by ILOVEABBA@Nov 2nd, 2003 - 3:25 pm
Sean, thanks i did,nt know that.

Thrassybulos Manos > Konstantine Manos > Alexander Manos > Konstantine Manos > Ileana Manos


Thrassybulos Manos > Petros Manos - Aspasia Manos > Queen Alexandra of Greece > Alexander of Yugoslavia

Aspasia is from the senior line.

Sean

[Marengo]

hey was all of Louis XVI siblings executed during the revolution as well? wouldn't their descendants be the heir to the French throne?

as I said above, the brothers of Louis XVI were the (childless) king Louis XVIII and King Charles X (both married to savoy princesses). Only Charles had legitimate children, 2 sons: Louis and Ferdinand. Louis (XIX), Duke de Angouleme married his cousin Marie-Therese (only surviving daughter of Louis XVI and Marie-Antoinette), the marriage remained childless. The other son of Charles X firstly had a morganatic marriage to an american called Amy Brown, they divorced in 1815 and Ferdinand, Duke de Berry married Caroline of Bourbon-Two-Sicilies. The couple got a daughter Louise (who later married the duke of Parma) but in 1820 Ferdinand was murdered. BUT Caroline was pregnant and several months later she got a healthy son, Henry (V), Duke de Bordeaux, Count de Chambord. Henry became the head of the Bourbon family of France but his marriage to Theresa of Austria-Este (Modena) remained childless. So after his death in 1883 the french branch of the Bourbon family had died out & only italian and spanish branches excisted. The successionrights went to the descendants of the brother of Louis XIV, the Orleans family.

FYI Louis XVI sister Clothilde was safe as Queen of Sardinia but his sister Elisabeth was executed in 1794 when she was 30 years old.

[Toledo]

While looking for some living descendants (if any) of the House of Valois, mentioned in a DVD I was watching called The Affair of the Necklace) I found some sites worth keeping around. The Valois, as the predecessors of the Bourbons/Borbon/Borbone, deserve a space for their own data.

Anyone knows of any living descendants that use that title today? What I found so far is that they also recognize Luis Alfonso de Borbon as their heir under the name Valois.

[Toledo]

Genealogy of the House Valois: http://valois.org/html/genealogy.html

[Toledo]

The Valois website http://valois.org/

It has some nice flash animation and is in English and French. Although the small font size over a black background is hard on my eyes:
http://valois.org/html/valois_-_the_...use_of_fr.html

[Toledo]

A pdf file in French: The House Valois Revisited

On page 3 it has three pictures of Valois Kings worth keeping (as future Avatars )

[Toledo]

For those intrigued by the large Valois family, here is a list of Counts and Dukes:
http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liste_d...ducs_de_Valois

In 2005 the House Valois was the 'star' of the TV series Les Rois Maudits, that series is like a tie-in to our other thread on the Da Vinci Code since it mentions the macabre ambush done by the Valois to the Knights Templar. Unfortunately, the series is now on DVD and the damn short sigthed producers never bothered to translate it nor to put subtitles on it, same thing happaned with the 1970's version I have on DVD, no translation of any kind.

Their show website is stunning http://les-rois-maudits.france2.fr/

[Danielane]

Here is the post for the royal French family of Orléans (and relatives) genealogy.

Danielane, French and Italian Royalty and Royal Genealogy moderator.

[Toledo]

House Orleans Genealogy in a PDF Chart. Now, this is a must-have must-print for all fans of genealogy. Is in one of the best and well organized sites made by an effort of father and son to gather all the royal houses family trees of past and present. Even though is a Spanish based site, you don't need to know the language to guess the family tree. :)

The House Orleans 1830 - 1999

Part II

The House Orleans 1929-2004

[Danielane]

There are errors in this link. The family's name is Orléans, not Bourbon-Orléans (French court of justice refused to grant them the right to bear the Bourbon surname).

I'll post soon a complete descendance of the last count of Paris.

[Toledo]

Oops, I forgot about that court case!
Thanks for the reminder, I'm correcting the link right away...

I read about it at Guy De Sainty's site, I think he has the court transcrpit with the details on why the Orleans wanted to revert the name to Bourbon and the reasons the Court rejected it. I know only the Bourbon-Parma and Bourbon Two Sicilies use the original French last name hyphenated to identify the state they ruled. There is no Bourbon-Spain, we just adapted the name to Borbon or Borbones de Espana, but no hypehn as far as I know. But, within Spain there are Borbon sub families with the hyphenation.

I have found that the only times I've seen Bourbon added to Orleans is when a member of the Orleans family marries a member of the Bourbon family from one of the external Borbon branches that came out of Spain, like Don Alfonso de Orléans-Borbón, of the House Borbon-Galliera.
Here is more on Alphonso, Duke of Galliera, Prince de Orléans-Borbon, Infante de España

[Toledo]

This link lists a lot of Bourbons we don't hear about:

Descendants of Robert de France Comte de Clermont-en-Beauvaisis

[Beatrice]

you all have tremendous knowledge about French nobility.thanks for the links.

[Toledo]

Originally Posted by Beatrice

you all have tremendous knowledge about French nobility.thanks for the links.

I hope you mean to compliment our friend Danielane!

Because I am no expert, I'm just good with finding links around with different word matches . Tricky but you get a lot of unusual links depending on the words you enter. I set my Google preferences to unfiltered and multi language so I get more links that way.

[Beatrice]

don't be so modest Toledo i mean all of you .the info you all provide at this forum is an eye opener,i read about French nobility i didn't even know they existed!

[Toledo]

Thanks, that's very kind.
I got to admit I enjoy the group effort we all do to provide links for the threads and share them with the forum members. Everyone is doing a formidable job helping each other out with information.