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Mauritz is also the claimants to the throne of Finland, claims inherited by his younger brother Heinrich, who had inherited them by their uncle Wolfgang, twin brother of Philipp.
yes......the landgrave friedrich karl (father of philipp) was elected king of finland sometime in oct 1918, but he withdrew acceptance the following month !!(the british and french would not accept a brother in law of the kaiser as the king of finland) so i can not see as to why any of his decendants should be considered as cliamants to the throne of finland !!. true prince wolfgang was envisoned to be the crown prince of finland, but nothing more !!.

another unlikely scenario is......would the princes von hessen be considered to be claimants to the throne of rumania today !!. for in july 1941, the germans wished to depose king michael (yet another descendant of queen victoria) and place instead his cousin prince friedrich of hohenzollern sigmaringen as king. but the italians perferred and regarded prince philipp, landgrave of hesse as king...............
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But this last thing was only an idea of the Germans...nothing happened...so...
Moreover there are strict family relationships between King Michael of Romania and Landgrave Moritz of Hessen, since they are second cousins, it would not be a nice thing to claim to hsi cousin's (ex) throne...
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well mafan.......it is just as absurd for the princes von hessen to be regarded to have a claim to the throne of finland than that of rumania !!.

why.....being elected a king is not the same as being a king......the landgrave of hesse was never inaugurated as the king of finland !!

it would be like the descendants of prince alfred (son of queen victoria), being regarded as claimants to the throne of greece, because it so happened that he was once elected king of greece before that of prince william of denmark !!. some years later prince williams brother, prince waldemar of denmark was elected (or at least was offered) the throne of bulgaria.....does this mean that his descendants are regarded as claimants to that throne ? well no.....

thus imo the princes von hessen should not be regarded as claimants to the throne of finland !! .......
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Let's not get too far off topic. The term "claimant" does not necessarily mean the person is claiming or has ever claimed anything.
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Red face my apologies


sorry warren !!
well you know how it is.....one thing leads to another.....
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Let me just say WOW!
I agree. WOW, it's amazing that QV had 1047 descendants. I've heard that QV had a huge family but I never knew how many descedants she had.
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ties of marriage between queen victoria's descendant's

it may be of interest that there has been 21 marriages between the descendants of the queen !! (as of 1997)
in no particular order.....
1, prince louis ferdinand of prussia / grand duchess kira of russia 1938
2, prince franz wilhelm of prussia / grand duchess maria of russia 1976
3, prince andreas of leinigen / princess alexandra of hanover 1981
4, prinnce georg wilhelm of hanover / princess sophie of greece* 1946
5, king paul I of greece / princess friederike of hanover 1938
6, prince hienrich of prussia / princess irene of hesse 1888
7, prince andrej of yugoslavia* / princess chrisitna of hesse 1956
8, king george II of greece / princess elizabeth of rumania 1921
9, king peter II of yugoslavia / princess alexandra of greece 1944
10, king carol II of rumania / princess helen of greece 1921
11, king juan carlos of spain / princess of sophie of greece 1962
12, king constantine of greece / princess anne marie of denmark 1964
13, prince christoph of hesse / princess sophie of greece* 1930
14, prince philip of greece / queen elizabeth II of great britain 1947
15, prince arthur of connaught / princess (lady) alexandra (duff) 1913
16, prince gottfried of hohenlohe langenburg / princess margartia of greece 1931
17, prince tomislav of yugoslvia / princess margarita of baden 1957
18, grand duke georg of hesse / princess cecilia of greece 1931
19, grand duke ernst of hesse / princess victoria melita of saxe coburg gotha 1894
20, prince andrej of yuogoslavia* / princess kira melita of leiningen 1963
21, prince gustaf adolf of sweden / princess sibylla of saxe coburg gotha 1932
*denotes the same person
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another habsburg link

i had forgotten to mention, that the mother in law of queen victoria eugenie "ena" of spain (granddaughter of queen victoria) was born a habsburg.....
queen maria christina of spain was born into the teschen branch of the habsburg family. her mother had married twice and by her first husband (an archduke of austria este) she had a daughter maria theresa, who went on to be queen of bavaria.
btw this queen of bavaria, upon the death of queen victoria in 1901 was proclaimed queen mary IV / III of great britain, as she was the rep and heir gen of king charles I of england !!!
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And as QV had a sister and a brother, how many of their descendants have married QV descendants.
One important one.
Emperor Wilhelm II of Germany (grandson of QV) married Princess Augusta Victoria of Schleswig Holstein Augustenburg (granddaughter of QVs sister, Princess Feodara of Leingen.
Another
Prince Ernst of Hohenlohe Langenburg (grandson of Princess Feodara of Leinginen) married Prinxess Alexandra of Saxe-Coburg-Gotha (Grandaughter of QV)
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Emperor Wilhelm II of Germany (grandson of QV) married Princess Augusta Victoria of Schleswig Holstein Augustenburg
btw.... the uncle of empress augusta, prince christian of schleswig holstein sonderburg augustenburg had married princess helena, the 3rd daughter of queen victoria.....
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Thanks. Yes, I did. Actually, Queen Emma's first name *was* Adelaide, but she went by "Emma."
her full name was....adelhied emma wilhelmine therese !!.

btw one of queens emma's sisters (elisabeth) , had married prince alaxander of erbach schonburg. his mother marie was a princess of battenburg and two of her brothers married into queen victorias family...
prince louis of battenburg married princess victoria of hesse, a granddaughter of queen victoria. whilst prince henry of battenburg married princess beatrice, the youngest daughter and child of queen victoria....
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Here is a link that I just found.
I haven't really explored the site yet, but from what I've seen of it it looks like the author of the site has done a lot of work. It also shows who the eldest living descendants are for each generation.
The author of the link is still attempting to keep the details up to date.

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it may be of interest that there has been 21 marriages between the descendants of the queen !! (as of 1997)
in no particular order.....
1, prince louis ferdinand of prussia / grand duchess kira of russia 1938
2, prince franz wilhelm of prussia / grand duchess maria of russia 1976
3, prince andreas of leinigen / princess alexandra of hanover 1981
4, prinnce georg wilhelm of hanover / princess sophie of greece* 1946
5, king paul I of greece / princess friederike of hanover 1938
6, prince hienrich of prussia / princess irene of hesse 1888
7, prince andrej of yugoslavia* / princess chrisitna of hesse 1956
8, king george II of greece / princess elizabeth of rumania 1921
9, king peter II of yugoslavia / princess alexandra of greece 1944
10, king carol II of rumania / princess helen of greece 1921
11, king juan carlos of spain / princess of sophie of greece 1962
12, king constantine of greece / princess anne marie of denmark 1964
13, prince christoph of hesse / princess sophie of greece* 1930
14, prince philip of greece / queen elizabeth II of great britain 1947
15, prince arthur of connaught / princess (lady) alexandra (duff) 1913
16, prince gottfried of hohenlohe langenburg / princess margartia of greece 1931
17, prince tomislav of yugoslvia / princess margarita of baden 1957
18, grand duke georg of hesse / princess cecilia of greece 1931
19, grand duke ernst of hesse / princess victoria melita of saxe coburg gotha 1894
20, prince andrej of yuogoslavia* / princess kira melita of leiningen 1963
21, prince gustaf adolf of sweden / princess sibylla of saxe coburg gotha 1932
*denotes the same person
http://www.btinternet.com/~allan_raymond/QV_Intermarriages.htm provides some more information.

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This is just the post I was looking for. In fact, I posted a thread, asking exactly for this kind of information. Thanks! This is a long line.
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Not forgetting the legitimate but non-dynastic descendants of British sovereigns (Queen Victoria's numerous FitzClarence cousins and others) and indeed the legitimate or otherwise issue of unions not granted acceptance by order in council decisions.
Despite the very narrow gene pool of German feudal families they have been surprisingly prolific.
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Almost all the heirs to the European monarchies were the offspring of Prince Albert and Queen Victoria.Their marriage was pivotal to the spreadof the family’s influence over Europe.

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Yes, you are correct. The Belgian royals do descend from Queen Victoria's uncle Leopold who was the first king (Leopold I). And of course, there are many former German duchies, principalities, etc. whose current royals descend from Victoria. An example is Prince Ernst of Hanover, Princess Caroline of Monaco's husband. His grandmother was Kaiser Wilhelm II's daughter and Kaiser Wilhelm II was Queen Victoria's grandson.
Don't forget that Queen Victoria's husband Albert is the second son of a small German dukedom. So, it's no surprise that these royals are descendants.
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And don't forget that Christian IX of Denmark was the Grandfather of Europe. He, like Victoria, has many descendants on the thrones of Europe.
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And don't forget that Christian IX of Denmark was the Grandfather of Europe. He, like Victoria, has many descendants on the thrones of Europe.

I wonder what would have happened if he was successful in seeking the hand of Queen Victoria or if she fell in love with him instead of Prince Albert. All European monarchies would probably be relatives.
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Well, in this case I'm pretty sure that he would not have become King of Denmark, a personal union of UK and Denmark was rather unlikely; and of course, Victoria's son would nothave married Christian's daughter.
Anyway, all European monarchs are already all relatives.
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Further back than that Wymanda!
Prince Leopold, 1st King of the Belgians and Prince Albert's father Duke Ernst I of Saxe-Coburg & Gotha were brothers, so the common ancestors in this line of descent are their parents: Franz, Duke of Saxe-Coburg-Saalfeld (1750-1806) and Countess Auguste of Reuss-Lobenstein und Ebersdorf (1757-1831).
Descendents other than those of Queen Victoria include the monarchs and de juré monarchs of Belgium, Bulgaria, France (Bonaparte), Italy and Luxembourg.

So there are still monarchs out there who are not related to Queen Victoria? It really amazes me that most of the European monarchies are descendants of Queen Victoria and marrying each other.
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