|
|
|
#1
08-15-2006, 02:19 AM
|
|||
|
|||
Exposing Imposters
Royal Imposter or Not? Carlo Von Zeitschel (“CVZ”)
As many of you may know, in Jaime Johnson’s documentary Born Rich, CVZ claimed to be a great-grandson of Kaiser William II and an Italian Baron? Has this been confirmed? In the same documentary, Cody Franchetti (“CF”) also claimed that his great-grandfather (maybe another great) married a Rothschild from whom he directly descends. I believe I confirmed this in a book on the Rothchilds that had a genealogical chart. CF also claims to descend from a line of the Holsteins. Can anyone confirm any or all of this? 
|
|
#3
08-15-2006, 11:29 PM
|
||||
|
||||
|
Susan, that's quite a great job you did there! Thanks for the links.
In this day and age people that pass as royals can be easily verified. Maybe in other times before the internet it was much easier since the information was difficult to compile. These days the truth is just a few clicks away from anyone in the planet. About the Von Zeitschels, I found this: http://www.thepeerage.com/p16317.htm#i163167 but so far the only mentions of him are about that tv show. Not much on his family or his claims to celebritydom. He reminds me of the embarrasment with another celebrity, Paris Hilton's ex-boyfriend Paris. Over here in the USA he was 'sold' for the public as a rich Greek heir and latter, after she got rid of him (or his family got rid of her?) he was unmasked as just another kid of that extended family and not the sole heir of the family fortune. It's all in what the TV wants to say to sell a character for ratings. Sometimes they lie, sometimes they stretch the importance of these people beyond their reality. Speaking of fasle claimants, here is a link from Guy Stair Santy's site related to usurpers, false claimants and royal imposters. It's quite a great reading and will sure help to realize some royal people on TV are not all they claim to be, or as Stair Santy put's it "...of yet another freshly minted genealogy..."  Scroll down to see the tactics some fantasy royals used in the past.Last edited by Toledo; 08-16-2006 at 06:53 AM.
|
|
#4
08-18-2006, 04:54 PM
|
||||
|
||||
|
To this day I have not found a reliable link on this guy. Not even a name listed on any genealogy trees and in most searches the name only appears listed as 'actor' whose only claim to fame is that tv show or movie he made. I can't even find a date of birth on him but he appears also listed as owner of a gallery in Soho, NY city. I also found another mention of him in this school named Aiglon College he appears as number seven under the names column, I believe a student in 1999. Here is more on that school: http://www.aiglon.ch/info/whyaiglon.shtm and in case you have a kid that must be sent away to the Swiss Alps that will later end up in a reality show, here are the prices so you can start saving: http://www.aiglon.ch/info/fees.shtm
This is very interesting for someone to appear in a TV show claiming to be part of a the last German imperial family and still, no traceable information to support his claims. We have access to so many family trees that are placed online not only by royal watchers like many of us, but by historians and families themselves. Yet, Mr. Carlo Von Zeitschel's claims evades our search. Last edited by Toledo; 08-18-2006 at 05:13 PM.
|
|
#6
08-19-2006, 10:09 PM
|
||||
|
||||
|
Quote:
 On that question about Cody Franchetti, he claims to be a Baron but I just saw he is better known for his arrogant remarks and in-your-face prejudice against other people that are not of his Elite. Word to the wise, those who really have a past and come from a provileged background normally do not brag about it. Much less use it to make others insignificant. Those are the signs of people with low self esteem who claim to be more than what their actual background is. I found this notable quotes from this clown on this article: Do not get near Cody Franchetti January 25, 2006 and here are some of those gems from him: • "I am an elitist. I believe in an elite, I believe that people want an elite ... because there s always been one, whether it be an oligarchy or a dictatorship." • On Lisa Loeb: "She is very how should I put it? petit bourgeois." • On pursuing his own reality show: "Yes, absolutely, [it s] cheap, trashy I m well aware of that. But we live in the age of Paris Hilton, my dear, so what am I going to do a show where I discuss Flaubert with people that call in? No, I don t think so." As someone who did live in a dictatorship (Franco's) the remarks of this self proclaimed Baron are quite offensive and moronic. again, typical of a no-body celebrity trying to flash comments for pure shock value. Now, I could not find any genealogy on that so-called Baron Cody Franchetti but there are Counts Franchetti, one of the members was married to actor Henry Fonda (Jane and Peter Fonda's dad): Countess Afdera Franchetti But there is nothing to explain the title being downgraded from Count to Baron that can also give us a hint on who is this guy using that title. Maybe we have to realize that the so called aristocratic guests in that reality show are nothing but peripheral people as close to actual history making royalty as the planet Pluto is close to us. So, lesson learned here, don't believe everything you see on TV! Last edited by Toledo; 08-19-2006 at 10:27 PM.
|
|
#7
08-19-2006, 10:24 PM
|
||||
|
||||
|
Cody sounds rather a scream and he's quite good looking. Baron or no Baron, I wouldn't mind spending an hour with him. He paints himself as a ladies man but I'm afraid he's as camp as a row of pink tents. Rather sweet though.
__________________
Abnormal Service has been resumed.
|
|
#8
08-19-2006, 10:28 PM
|
||||
|
||||
|
Quote:
 Last edited by Toledo; 08-19-2006 at 10:32 PM.
|
|
#9
08-19-2006, 10:33 PM
|
||||
|
||||
|
lol - dear Lilian. She's still got it.
__________________
Abnormal Service has been resumed.
|
|
#11
08-19-2006, 11:55 PM
|
|||
|
|||
|
T:
Thank you for the welcome and I was aware of the information you provided. If I find any other information, I will advise. Please do the same. I have a book entitled “The Rothschilds: A Family Portrait” by Frederic Morton. There is an excellent genealogical chart that shows that CF’s great great grandfather (could be another great) Baron Raymondo Franchetti married Sarah Louise Rothschild (1858), the daughter of Anselm, son of Salomon, son of Mayer the dynasty founder. I read from some other source that the Franchetti’s hale from an old Italian Jewish family. So it makes further sense that CF’s ggggf would have been a suitor for a Rothschild debutante. The chart does not list further information of the descendants from the female lines. But I am almost certain this is his family. As for his arrogance and elitism, I must agree he does wear it on his sleeve and it is no doubt a product of his insecurity. I have to say however I am not surprised. I think it is something with Italian Aristocrats on virtually all levels. In my early to mid 20s I lived in Italy and I encountered more than a few people the likes CF, but not as bad. And yes they were wealthy, but certainly not Billionaires. Although he says otherwise, he is supercilious, but he appears to be well educated. In a way I can’t blame him. And not to be an apologist, he’s simply a product of his environment.
|
|
#12
09-17-2006, 06:25 AM
|
||||
|
||||
|
A british woman named Mary Baker fooled people from her city for sometime. She claimed that her name was Princess Caraboo and she was from The Island Of Javasu.
__________________
Take time to think before you do. Princess Kamorrisa de St.Cogo,Duchess van Coth Ind Savoy http://myspace.com/kamorrisa
|
|
#13
09-27-2006, 01:26 AM
|
||||
|
||||
|
Quote:
To my knowledge, the legitimate Franchettis are all barons. The wikipedia entry about Afdera is incorrect, as a daughter of a baron cannot be a countess. 
|
|
#14
09-27-2006, 08:12 AM
|
||||
|
||||
 Give it 50 years or so and Paul Burrells grandchildren will be claiming that Diana was their grandmother. lol!
__________________
60th Birthday of HRH Charles, The Prince of Wales on November 14th 2008 Everything I write here is my opinion and I mean no offence by it.
|
|
#15
11-24-2006, 11:55 PM
|
|||
|
|||
|
Cody Franchetti's father, Andrea, is a legitimate baron, but Cody is not a baron because his parents never married.
As a self proclaimed elitist among other things, I wonder what Cody has to say about his illegitimate birth?
|
|
#16
11-26-2006, 07:19 PM
|
|||
|
|||
|
In fairness to Cody Franchetti, what he says about his lineage appears to be true. He is a Rothschild and von Hornstein descendant. And but for his birth out of wedlock, he would have been a baron.
I wonder if Cody’s father Giorgio Andrea could make him a baron if he were recognized/legitimized. In the Grimaldi family (Royal House of Monaco), recognition of an illegitimate daughter allowed the family to continue in its present form. This may have already been done unbeknownst to the public. Cody may be arrogant, but I want to say he would not parade himself around Manhattan without reconciling his past with his present persona. I found this Franchetti tree on an Italian website. Cody’s line is in bold large font. Cody has other modern day notable family members. See next posts.
|
|
#17
11-26-2006, 07:27 PM
|
|||
|
|||
|
FRANCHETTI Baroni GIUSEPPE FRANCHETTI, era di famiglia originaria della Francia Meridionale, commerciante ed eminente membro della Comunità Ebraica di Livorno = ……………… A2. RAIMONDO (+1828) = Isabella Coen B1. ABRAMO, creato Barone (per maschi primogeniti) dal Re di Sardegna con Regio Decreto del 17-X-1858, banchiere, tra i principali artefici della bonifica della Maremma e della zona di Caorle, finanziatore della costruzione delle prime ferrovie in Italia (*Livorno 1805, +1867) = 25-XI-1827 Allegra Levi-Sonnino, figlia di Abram Samuel Levi-Sonnino C1. BARONE (DAL 1867) RAIMONDO AUGUSTO, nominato Cavaliere al Merito del Lavoro (per meriti di Agricoltura nel settore della bonifica) con regio Decreto del 2-VII-1903, Commendatore dell’Ordine della Corona d’Italia, Grande Ufficiale dell’Ordine della Corona d’Italia, Cavaliere dell’Ordine dei Santi Maurizio e Lazzaro(*Livorno 25-X-1829, +Reggio Emilia 30-X-1905) = 17-XI-1858 la Baronessa Louise (Sarah) von Rothschild, figlia del Barone Anselm Salomon von Rothschild e della Baronessa Charlotte de Rothschild (*Vienna 8-XII-1834, +Francoforte 23-XI-1924) D3. GIORGIO GIOVACCHINO, pianista, mecenate e collezionista d’arte, acquistò nel 1894 la Ca’ d’Oro di Venezia e nel 1916 la donò allo Stato Italiano assieme alle opere d’arte che vi aveva raccolto, restaurò personalmente i mosaici della Ca’ d’Oro, finanziò il restauro del Castel Vecchio di Verona e quello dei mosaici della Basilica di San Marco di Venezia (*Torino 18-I-1865, +17-XII-1922) = (div. 19...) la Baronessa Marion von Hornstein zu den drei Hohenstoffeln u. Binningen E2. CARLO, creato Barone con Regio Decreto del 5-XII-1932 (Regie Lettere Patenti di autorizzazione all’uso del titolo datate 11-VIII-1933), Commendatore dell’Ordine Pontificio del Santo Sepolcro, decorato della Croce di Guerra al Valor Militare, decorato della Military Cross del Regno Unito, decorato della Cittadinanza Onoraria di Capraia e Limite l’8-VI-1930, deco |
