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Old 07-08-2018, 12:25 PM
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If the DoE had out of wedlock children that were even acknowledged by the Queen, than the yellow press papers all over the world would be overflowing with that story. Besides, such children wouldn't be titled. And it's completely out of the question, that a child gets the last name of her mother in combination with a Princess title from the father. 'Princess Kennedy' is complete nonsense, unless the US turns decides to create princely titles for the members of the families of their ex-presidents. (Mind you, I don't see that one coming any time soon.)
Its her first name, not her title...
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Old 07-08-2018, 12:29 PM
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Its her first name, not her title...
OK, but she seems to people to believe that it's her title.
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Old 07-08-2018, 01:11 PM
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OK, but she seems to people to believe that it's her title.
Perhaps she does, but its not gonna get her anywhere. There are load of people who call htemsleves Count or Prince or what have you...
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Old 09-28-2018, 04:26 AM
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True, but in any case illegitimate offspring of royals whether true or fake, aren't really royal….
That's for sure.
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Old 09-28-2018, 05:49 AM
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True, but in any case illegitimate offspring of royals whether true or fake, aren't really royal….

I am not so sure. Sinde the UK passed the new bill on courtesy titles, it is possible for adopted children to use the same styles and courtesy titles as the blood children of a peer. So if the souverain wanted, it should be possible to adopt an illegitime child and declare them Royal, including the official style and precedence.



In France there is the historical example of Louis XIV. who declared his illegitime offspring not only as full members of the "Maison de France" and thus as princes of the blood Royal, but even declared in his will that if his legitimate descendants died, the line would continue with the illegitimate - thus declaring that it is the Royal blood that counts, not the question of who the mother was or if the child was born in wedlock.



Before that there are other examples of illegitimate children becoming the Head of a Royal House. Most notable William the Conqueror.



I agree that nowadays the "myth of the Blood Royal" does not seem to count for much (see the treatment the princesses of York receive at the hands of the media/Part of the public) and the way Royal Houses try to downgrade their members who are further down the line, but there is still the example of the Swedish RF, who accepts that female blood can give Royalty as well.


Same with noble blood: if my two grandmothers had been men, then I'd be named a Countess today (in my country this is just part of the name, so...), with both parents of the nobility. Because they were women, I only have some titled relations and noone in the family considers our part of it as "noble".
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The Crown is not the same as a peerage.. and adopted or illegitimate children of peers only use the courtesty title of a peer's child. They cannot get into the line of succession to the peerage
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