British Royal Family Genealogy

[Claire]

I've so much wanted to ask quesions of a genealogical base. Bear said that we could place this forum, but nobody did, or maybe they did and I can't find it. (sorry). So here we can place links to our favourite genealogy sites, ask questions and hopefully get a few answered.

[Claire]

Here's a few Links to get us started:

The Peerage: http://www.thepeerage.com

My Genealogy page: http://www.angelfire.com/celeb2/ceg_.../genealogy.htm

Here's my questions:

How is Lord Louis of Hesse related to the British Royal Family, besides him been Prince Edward's godfather. I know that the Duke of Edinburgh's sisiter, Cecille and her family was killed on route to his wedding. But where does he fit in.

How is Lady Alexander Etherington, one of Lady Louise's god mother's related to Prince Edward. In the press release for Louise's christening they said that she is a distant relative, how?

Claire

[royal_sophietje]

Good questions Claire!!! Unfortunately I don't know the people and checking the British family genealogy made by Henri van Oene, didn't gave an answer too.....

I'm really interested in genealogy and I hope to find a complete database one day...

[Elizabeth_Leona]

I am the Queen of Royal genealogy! I have been drawing up family trees by hand since I was 6. It is the one thing I never get bored of and am good at!

[Elizabeth_Leona]

Originally Posted by Claire

How is Lord Louis of Hesse related to the British Royal Family, besides him been Prince Edward's godfather. I know that the Duke of Edinburgh's sisiter, Cecille and her family was killed on route to his wedding. But where does he fit in.

How is Lady Alexander Etherington, one of Lady Louise's god mother's related to Prince Edward. In the press release for Louise's christening they said that she is a distant relative, how?

Louis was a brother of Georg Dontus and brother-in-law of Cecile, who died on the way to his wedding. Louis and his wife adopted Georg and Cecile's only surviving child Johanna.

Lady Alexandra Etherington is a daughter of the Duke of Fife and a great grand daughter of Princess Louise (Edward VII's second daughter) making her a 3rd couisn of Prince Edward.

[chrissy57]

Originally Posted by Elizabeth_Leona

Louis was a brother of Georg Dontus and brother-in-law of Cecile, who died on the way to his wedding. Louis and his wife adopted Georg and Cecile's only surviving child Johanna.

Cecile was, of course, one of Prince Philip's sisters.

[Elizabeth_Leona]

Originally Posted by chrissy57

Cecile was, of course, one of Prince Philip's sisters.

yeppers and a great grand daughter of Queen Victoria and a second cousin of her own husband

[selrahc4]

Originally Posted by Elizabeth_Leona

yeppers and a great grand daughter of Queen Victoria and a second cousin of her own husband

First cousin once removed.

[iowabelle]

I'm interested in French-Canadian genealogy (particularly Quebec) and when I was at Ancestry.com I read Camilla shares ancestors with... Celine Dion and Madonna.

A fuller explanation of Camilla's genealogy can be found at www.wargs.com/royal/camilla.html

I wonder if, because of the scarcity of early settlers in Quebec, if Camilla and I might be related. Maybe that explains my "Material Girl" tendencies! :)

[tiaraprin]

Camilla is related to Celine Dion and Madonna??

I do know her great grandmother, Alice Keppel, was mistress to Edward VII and may be related to Charles through her grandmother Sonia Cubitt. Some believe Sonia to be the "natural" child of Alice and Edward VII. Sonia Cubitt never discussed the matter during her lifetime.

[iowabelle]

Apparently, Madonna and Celine share ancestors from Quebec with Camilla.

Camilla is also a descendant of James VI and I.

Who knew?

[Elspeth]

Well, quite a lot of the British upper classes are descended illegitimately from Charles II, which means they were descended from James I. Not sure that all that many are legitimate descendents of those monarchs, though!

[Oppie]

This is me being a total geek, but I just spent an hour on the Queen Victoria thread, and it was a lot more fun then watching summer re-runs. Genealogy has always been a side hobby of mine, especially in the what if cases. This one is my favorite (I know everything is very simplified but its genealogy, not a book )

James II - King of England, converted to Catholicism and was deposed, his two Protestant daughters became the next monarchs Mary then Anne, but if history went a little differently here is what would have happened.

James II would have been followed by his son James, who in turn would have been followed by his son Charles who did not have legitimate issue was followed by his brother Henry, the last to try to claim the throne he was also a Catholic cardinal and did not have any children.

This part I need some help on Henry (full name Henry Benedict Stuart) passed the line on to his cousin Charles Emmanuel IV of Sardinia, who was related through James II sister Heniretta, but I seem to be missing someone here.

Anyways back to the story, Charles is next he doesn't claim the throne but loved his wife so much that after she died he became a monk (ahhhh). Charles claim as well as King of Sardinia went to his brother Victor. (Sidenote Sardinia’s capital was Turin now part of Italy). Victor was followed by his daughter Maria who was followed by her son Francis. Some more sidenotes Francis did not have any childern. His estate went to the ill fated Franz Ferdinand well the claim went to his niece Mary who had 13 children (eek). Mary was followed by her son Rupprecht, who was followed by his son Albrecht. Albrecht son Franz does not have any children so the next in line after him will be his second son Max.

....and here is where the irony is. Max will be followed by his daughter Sophie who in turn will be followed by her oldest son Joseph. Joseph becomes the first person since James (born at St. JamesPalace) in this long line to have been born in England, he is also the heir through his father to Liechtenstein

[SusanE]

Originally Posted by Oppie

This part I need some help on Henry (full name Henry Benedict Stuart) passed the line on to his cousin Charles Emmanuel IV of Sardinia, who was related through James II sister Heniretta, but I seem to be missing someone here.

Yes, after the death of Henry Benedict Stuart, the Jacobite claim then goes to the descendants of Henrietta Anne, known as Minette, the youngest daughter of Charles I. Here is the link from Charles I to Charles Emmanuel IV of Sardinia.

Charles I > Henrietta Anne, Duchess of Orleans > Anne Marie, Queen of Sardinia > Charles Emmanuel III of Sardinia > Victor Amadeus III of Sardinia > Charles Emmanuel IV of Sardinia

Here is a genealogical table showing the Jacobite kings and their heirs:
http://www.jacobite.ca/gentree.htm

[Toledo]

the diverse genealogy of the British Royals: Some Ethnic Strains in the Royal Family

[Toledo]

Now this is one peculiar family tree. It's about Spain's top aristocrat, the Duchess of Alba, but the family tree that ties her to the Stewart Kings. But not as a heir but a descendant of the Dukes of Berwick from James Fitz James, King James' illegitimate son by Arabella Churchill, her father Winston Churchill was an ancestor of the prime minister with the same name. That also makes Winston Churchill cousin of the Duchess of Alba? And both seem to be related to Princess Diana's family

The genealogy of the England's Dukes of Berwick and how they became part of Spain's Dukes of Alba.

[Toledo]

I was thinking where to place this link related to archeology and genealogy, but the closest thread I can think of is this one. As all stories, you have to take it with a grain of salt (or so the expression goes) but it still interesting to read the theory of a royal family and their alleged descendants. After the article there are some funny letters to the editor with the reactions that are even more amusing to read than the article itself. My advice, hold on to the money before you buy the book, I'll rather wait for the DNA results

The pharaoh's daughter who was the mother of all Scots
Diane MaClean
September 14, 2006

[PrincessKoreen]

One of my random, favorite hobbies is making a family tree from memory of the genealogy of the British royals and spouses (along with children) from Robert, Duke of Normandy, and Arlette, parents of William I of England, called the "Conqueror," to HRH Princes William and Harry today.

Anyone else do that?

[PrincessKoreen]

Something interesting: HRH the Countess of Wessex is a very distant cousin of HRH the Earl of Wessex, her husband....

Another good link is the "Royal descents of famous people."

[Elspeth]

Since you were six? Goodness, that sounds like a lifetime labour of love!

Are you still doing them by hand, or have you gone over to electronic family trees?