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Old 04-01-2013, 05:36 PM
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Okay I have made some corrections thanks to Ish.
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interesting fact:
The queen's Great(x6)-grandfather Patrick Lyon, 3rd Earl of Strathmore married Helen Middleton, daughter of John Middleton, 1st Earl of Middleton.
So, Catherine is not the first Middleton in the family
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Old 04-06-2013, 04:05 PM
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Was Helen Middleton part of the royal family or part of the Lyon family?
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in this case "family" is equal to "ancestors"
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Old 04-06-2013, 05:19 PM
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I don't see the reason why anyone will try to put Charles's ancestry down. Both Charles & Diana came from blue blooded families.
Interestingly, Diana, Princess of Wales, is descended from 2 of Charles II's illegitimate sons - Henry Fitzroy, 1st Duke of Grafton, and Charles Lennox, 1st Duke of Richmond.
So, for what it's worth, Prince William will become the first descendent of Charles II to occupy the British throne, if he succeeds as expected!
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Old 04-24-2013, 06:44 PM
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I was bored this evening so I decided to find out what was the family connection between the Queen and prince Philip.
- Then I found this interesting double family connection of Mary of Teck
- Then I got curious why the Hanoverians got the Throne
- And what was the link between Mary and Anne Stuart and the Hanoverians and the Dutch Orange stadhouders?
- We end up in Scotland.... hmmm how were Mary, Queen of Scots and Elizabeth I related?
- Ah, the Tudors. Never understood how Henry VII was involved in it all, let's find out
- I ended up dissecting the War of the Roses.

The result, of more than 4 hours of reading Wiki-pages (), I put into an Excell-sheet.
So for those who , like me, were wondering.
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/...vN2wzNWc#gid=0

Do you like it? Did I miss anything/make mistakes?
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Andrew for Sarah.

Somewhat confused. Why the different colors? What do the X's represent. I understand blue connects to William.

Are the numbers for the spouses? I understand for the Queen's children the numbers represent the 1st & 2nd spouse is this the case through out then why is Harry #2?
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Old 04-24-2013, 08:21 PM
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The 1 and 2 refer firstly to spouses (thus Diana is (1) and Camilla is (2)) and secondly to birth order (in the case of William (1) and Harry (2)). The Xs denote marriages.

A couple early mistakes (I haven't looked through it all yet) - the Queen's third child is Andrew, not Edmund, and Edward's wife spells her name Sophie, not Sophy.

A few other things that I noticed on a closer look; you've got all the British monarchs as being blue (with the inclusion of Charles, William, and Baby Cambridge as being future monarchs), except for William III who is orange. While he was Prince of Orange he was also King of England - you might want to make him blue as well (comparable to how you did James IV and I).

While not a mistake in itself, Henry VII's wife, Elizabeth of York, was the daughter of Edward IV and Elizabeth Woodville, which you might want to include (similar to how you showed that Catherine of Valois married both Owen Tudor and Henry V).

Edward's daughter's name is Louise, not Louisa, and she's older than her brother - it looks like you've got the Queen's children done in order of birth, with the youngest at the top and the eldest at the bottom, but you've done the opposite (for the most part) for their children, with the eldest at the top and the youngest at the bottom, except for the case of Edward's. If you were trying to go for the succession order, then Anne and her descendants should be after Edward.

Finally, just because of the effort you've made in fleshing out the Queen's descendants, you might also want to include the marriages and children of Anne's children; Peter married Autumn Kelly and has two daughters, Savannah and Isla, while Zara has married Mike Tindall.
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This thread made me interested in the ancestry of the queen from her mother's side.

There are so many Plantagenet ancestors! Including Edward III - so she is descended from Eleanor of Aquitaine in more than one line. And several lines from John of Gaunt, including one via the Steward/Stuart kings of Scotland pre Mary queen of Scots...

And Woodvilles. Three Woodville-sisters, daughters of Jaquetta of Luxemburg, including queen Elizabeth (née Woodville) herself from her first marriage...

And there is Bess of Hardwick, the queen is descended from her marriage to Sir William Cavendish, though she is better known as Countess of Shrewsbury. The queen BTW is descended as well from Bess' Earl of Shrewsbury through another line.

Very interesting ancestry. Especially if you see how often her male ancestors married daughters of newly created earls and dukes- thus daughters of men who made their own fortune through service for their king.
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Old 04-25-2013, 03:34 PM
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Thank you Ish, for your comments.
I have changed/added them.
As for the order of the persons. I have positioned them in order to get the clearest tree. Eg. George IV and his brothers are not in any chronological or other order, but putting Adolphus at the bottom would make it very difficult to add the link of Mary of Teck/Queen Mary.
I am glad that I didn't make any big mistakes, it was one in the morning when I finished and posted it. Especially the War of the Roses part was difficult to follow.
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It would be lovely if someone, or team of people, could put this information in a regular genealogy program. The PAF program can be down loaded from the LDS site for nothing. It works really well and does a wonderful job of making the connections. Just an idea.
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Having done an extensive genealogy myself, great job. There is always tweaking. Share it and say it is work in progress. Ask for criticism, is insane. You will be told everything that wrong it based on others opinions.
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Great job!
With so much detail involved, there will always be kinks and typos to iron out in the early days. It will get there.

Tweaking...

1. George IV - typo as George VI
2. No Edward VIII?
3. For consistency, 'Elizabeth' should be 'Elizabeth II' if space allows
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Thanks Warren, I have changed it.
Can you see the changes?
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SLV, in general I think you did a great job (especially for 1 in the morning). It looks so cool - well put together, aesthetically pleasing, etc.

My comment regarding order was specific to the order that you have QEII's descendants - doing that doesn't always work with older connections (such as with the children of George III or those of Charles I).

One thing - you highlighted Elizabeth of York when she appears in the main-line, and added her to the children of Edward IV, but she's not highlighted the second time. This really is nitpicking on my part - once again, this sheet is great and has even inspired me in how to format my own genealogy works.
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Can you see the changes?
Yes indeed!
Your choice of the pastel colours in the Plantagenet area make this part of the chart look especially smart.
However, if I could make a suggestion, the two fields of darker ochre colouring make the print much less easier to read.
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English monarchs family tree - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
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Thanks for the link Spheno.

I'm never really sure how I feel about the Wikipedia trees. On the one hand they're really thorough and try to cover everything, but on the other hand they cut up the British royals by house, losing some of the interesting connections, and by covering so much the whole thing becomes a bit of a jumble. I particularly really dislike the Wessex tree.

SLV, have you thought about expanding your tree? There are some really interesting connections if you go to the pre-Edward III monarchs, or if you look at more of the Scottish monarchs (or do both). There's also the approach of Philip, who descends from several of the post George III monarchs through a couple different lines, and then the Charles II-to-Diana line. There's also (allegedly) a line that links William to Catherine Carey, the daughter of Mary Boleyn (and alleged daughter of Henry VIII), but I've never found the actual lineage there.
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Old 04-29-2013, 03:14 AM
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Hi Ish,
I recently made the line of our Dutch Orange-family line.
And I'm currently working on how many European families are descendant of Johan Willem Friso of Nassau-Dietz. Apparently there are more that those descending from Victoria. So those lines are next, in order to compare.
Prince Philips' line sounds interesting.
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Ooh, that's really interesting. I look forward to checking it out!

Like I said earlier (or I think I said), I'm in love with the way you've done this tree, and just how concise and clear you've made it all. I think it's just really cool what you've done.
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